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Unacceptable frame rates and GPU usage.
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As long as the game runs smoothly and for me it does, I couldn't care less about the frame rate and don't monitor it.Jfairclough wrote: »So no one posting their GPU usage and frame rates with these builds.. come on.
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squicker, slow internet and bad servers aren't going to make my frame rate low. You sound just like those XBONE morons that talk about cloud computing.0
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raglau✭✭✭✭✭Cool your boots my friend, because I am afraid you are wrong.
Depending how the app is written and how it deals with a lack of inbound information, it can indeed end up causing FPS to drop.
To be certain you would have to analyse the threads involved and see what their wait states and reasons are.Jfairclough wrote: »squicker, slow internet and bad servers aren't going to make my frame rate low. You sound just like those XBONE morons that talk about cloud computing.
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There isn't a single game i've played where lagging out or having high ping or throttling my connection has caused frame rate to drop, if anything caused it to rise since nothing is happening on my end.Edited by Jfairclough on April 8, 2014 4:45PM0
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BrugaltSoul ShrivenI think it might be related to the last little patch from the weekend. I was running fine in early access, now all of a sudden the game is unplayable for me.0 -
No its been like this since i can remember. Maybe the reason nobody notices it on anything before 700 series GPU is because the game is scaling the usage the same way if i turn the resolution up. No matter what it wants the same frame rates everywhere at any resolution with the same graphic settings. Turning them down increases FPS but doesnt affect usage.
As in, your GPU's are too weak to have anything other than 100% or near it being used.Edited by Jfairclough on April 8, 2014 4:50PM0 -
raglau✭✭✭✭✭I would agree that it would tend to *not* happen, but it can happen depending how the app is written.
As Sherlock Holmes would say, "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth".
If the game finds itself in a scenario where it doesn't know what to render then it can adversely affect FPS because it simply won't send any data. If it were really badly written it might find itself in some sort of dependency loop where nothing was triggering anything else to happen.
So we cannot rule it out, especially given your system was not doing a lot. But I would say generally speaking we'd not expect a game to behave like that in 2014. We'd more likely expect it to draw what it thinks is happening and then you get rubber-banding when it finds out what's really happening. I had to leave PvP as it was so unreliable, so I can't say how it behaves.
If you use Perfmon to examine eso.exe threads 0 and 7 for state, priority and wait reason, it might shed some light on it.Jfairclough wrote: »There isn't a single game i've played where lagging out or having high ping or throttling my connection has caused frame rate to drop, if anything caused it to rise since nothing is happening on my end.
Edited by raglau on April 8, 2014 4:58PM0 -
Even if i do that, its not going to stop me getting 20fps in big PVP battles at 30% GPU and ~50% CPU and making it incredibly hard to tell whats going on and block etc.0
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raglau✭✭✭✭✭Jfairclough wrote: »~50% CPU .
It's this that is odd. It is often said how multiplayer games batter the CPU quite hard, because of all the location related computations. So we might see your FPS drop as a result of CPU maxing out, but for you the whole thing is dropping.
I think I am going to have to brave the unreliability of Cyrodiil and see for myself!0 -
It might just be specific to NVIDIA 780 series GPU's, who knows. Because if CPU isn't bottlenecked then GPU should be ramping up as many frames as it can (or is limited to with vsync) at the usage required, which is 99-100% if vsync off, but not the case at all.
in a way the way it is using my GPU and sticks at 50% usage is almost like a game with 0 sli scaling that just uses one GPU (50%).Edited by Jfairclough on April 8, 2014 5:04PM0 -
raglau✭✭✭✭✭Well, it is the case for me 90% of the time. I get 100FPS with V-sync on (have 120Hz monitor) only drops outside sometimes. Even anchor fights are generally very fast for me.
BUT...I have yet to try a massive fight in PvP. I'd love to, if the damn thing would stop crashing!
#Jfairclough wrote: »It might just be specific to NVIDIA 780 series GPU's, who knows. Because if CPU isn't bottlenecked then GPU should be ramping up as many frames as it can (or is limited to with vsync) at the usage required, which is 99-100% if vsync off, but not the case at all.
Edited by raglau on April 8, 2014 5:05PM0 -
well.. 1080p is around 50% usage, 1440p is around 70-80% usage i cant remember posted it earlier in the thread. I dont know what res you are running but check out MSI afterburner with it i guess0
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raglau✭✭✭✭✭have you tried radically lowering the res and seeing if that unchains the CPU? Theoretically then, the CPU can churn data at a very fast rate to the GPU as the GPU doesn't have to do hardly anything at all, so can accept it all.
I am going to try that now.
EDIT: Interestingly, even with vsync off, I only get 100FPS. The game is internally capped perhaps? So it doesn't matter how low I make the res, the GPU will only do the minimum required to reach 100FPS, hence the CPU can run idle a lot of the time.Jfairclough wrote: »well.. 1080p is around 50% usage, 1440p is around 70-80% usage i cant remember posted it earlier in the thread. I dont know what res you are running but check out MSI afterburner with it i guess
Edited by raglau on April 8, 2014 5:10PM0 -
If i turn the res down it will still maintain the same FPS same as turning the res UP. It just means the GPU will be at different usage.. the only thing that seems to affect usage is the resolution. The only thing that seems to affect frame rates is the ingame options. Perhaps they coded the game to only use half our GPU's so they don't get warm/break after long playtimes because its a MMO. No wait thats just crazy.0
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raglau✭✭✭✭✭Perhaps it is some constraint brought about by readiness for console porting.Jfairclough wrote: »If i turn the res down it will still maintain the same FPS same as turning the res UP. It just means the GPU will be at different usage.. the only thing that seems to affect usage is the resolution. The only thing that seems to affect frame rates is the ingame options. Perhaps they coded the game to only use half our GPU's so they don't get warm/break after long playtimes because its a MMO. No wait thats just crazy.
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By the way, I should add, as someone posted above, bringing down the view distance and turning v sync off drastically boosted my frame rate.
View distance in this game affects the fps more than all the other settings.
From what I've seen.0 -
Nicor✭Over in the other thread this low GPU usage and overall low frame rate issue is almost completely random. People having the same video card are getting totally different results. Running the game on an HDD/SSD does not seem to make any apparent difference either. Can look over the other thread here. --> http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/68062/low-fps-while-playing-with-a-gtx-760/p1 <--
As far as the hyper threading(HT) goes that has been an issue for some time and there are some games that suffer when it is enabled. That's why you see game review sites use I5's in stead of I7's in the systems.
Far as my system goes.
i5-2500k - 4.6ghz
EVGA gtx680 FTW edition
8gigs 1600mhz RAM
samsung 830SSD
windows 7 64bit
In outdoor areas just riding around it doesn't really go under 48fps mostly around 52-55fps. Haven't checked in PvP. GPU usage goes around 77-82% usage.
This problem you guys are having is very strange. It doesn't affect one system and cripples the next system. Makes me think it's not a driver issue. mainly because over in the other thread people updated the drivers and are stuff suffering low fps.
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raglau✭✭✭✭✭I can rule out HT on this one, I set processer affinity to 0,2,4,6 and my performance very slightly dropped - about 5fps lower.
In PvE my performance is superb, we shall see how it fares this evening with a large group however..As far as the hyper threading(HT) goes that has been an issue for some time and there are some games that suffer when it is enabled. That's why you see game review sites use I5's in stead of I7's in the systems.
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xondk✭✭hmm sounds a bit odd this problem. everyone I've talked to have been impressed with the performance and so am I. Performance wise the game at least to me, performs a LOT better then other mmo's have worked at launch, everything maxed running smooth high enough fps(I don't really care about actual numbers so haven't looked them up, but everything feels good to play with compared to choppy and such) no sudden drops in fps, not even in big crowds think around bank. Which in my opinion compared to other mmo's is much better performance, now....the account handling, preorder items e.t.c, that's the sad part, and unfortunately much much less forgivable then game issues are, since it is about handling out money, makes me worry how secure their system is, don't want to see it hacked.0
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Skyrim fully modded with ENB, HD packs and running warzones of skyrim with 100+ NPC's in one area all having AI running off my CPU has higher frame rate for me than most places of ESO. That is saying something.1
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Foul_Corsair✭✭✭Jfairclough wrote: »1: Don't have fraps, nvidia has a thing called shadowplay, i also have dedicated capture devices.. lol
2: Um, a 780 is near top of the line, only bested by Titan 780ti and TITAN Z? Thats besides the point though, everyone on a 780 is having this problem based on another thread I found.
A thing i discovered, lowering the settings makes no difference to the usage, but frame rates increase. I am emulating 1440p resolution right now though, frame rates are exactly the same but usage has gone up. Weird.
A Titan 780Ti? Where do I purchase that then as I've just purchased the evga gtx 780Ti and the Titan is a seperate card.
And shadow play can take about 10% of resources, I know as I read up on it as I have the 780Ti with an i5 4670k and msi z87-gd65 gaming mobo.
I use Action! by Mirillis to record (and record in 1080p) and I run everything at Highest setting (high/ultra) with no problems, no stutter, no tearing, no lag even while recording.
If you have a gtx780 and are having problems then it must be on your side as in beta I was running a four year old system with an i5 750 and a gtx 285 and had no problems. The only thing I couldn't run was occlusions. Had to turn that off but the rest was hight/ultra.
I won't insult your intelligence by asking the usual things like are you running latest drivers ect and do you let gefore experience set the setting but take a look at your system, see what is running etc.
Edit . . . unles you really meant the Titan and the 780ti . .Edited by Foul_Corsair on April 8, 2014 8:53PMwould ya mind if I fired me cannon through your porthole?1 -
Foul_Corsair wrote: »
A Titan 780Ti? Where do I purchase that then as I've just purchased the evga gtx 780Ti and the Titan is a seperate card.
And shadow play can take about 10% of resources, I know as I read up on it as I have the 780Ti with an i5 4670k and msi z87-gd65 gaming mobo.
I use Action! by Mirillis to record (and record in 1080p) and I run everything at Highest setting (high/ultra) with no problems, no stutter, no tearing, no lag even while recording.
If you have a gtx780 and are having problems then it must be on your side as in beta I was running a four year old system with an i5 750 and a gtx 285 and had no problems. The only thing I couldn't run was occlusions. Had to turn that off but the rest was hight/ultra.
I won't insult your intelligence by asking the usual things like are you running latest drivers ect and do you let gefore experience set the setting but take a look at your system, see what is running etc.
Edit . . . unles you really meant the Titan and the 780ti . .
I missed a comma.
And don't worry system is immaculate.
Only thing that might contribute is i am running windows 8.1 x64Edited by Jfairclough on April 9, 2014 1:06AM0 -
raglau✭✭✭✭✭Thanks for posting, will look at that later, got to rush to the airport!
Quick question though, PvE or PvP?Jfairclough wrote: »Here is a video of the problem good sirs. youtu.be/XU0RP8cvvi4
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obnxsh✭Ouch.
Sitting on 60fps with a 2011 built PC, GTX580 slightly overclocked. Temps sit at 70deg max at 80% fanspeed. Settings on ultra running mods.
I would look at your configuration.0 -
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