The downside of PvP.
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geonsocal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Let me start off saying I love PvP in ESO. The combat is fun and fast paced and exciting.
This situation, however, is anything but fun.
I don't understand why players do this, what they get out of it, or why this is even allowed....but this is something that definitely ruins fun.
https://youtu.be/Vggzw7K5FiI
five minutes later and i'm still annoyed after watching that vid...at least you got in a good "*** off" before you died...yeah, that's some ***...PVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place4 -
geonsocal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Can't say I have any sympathy when this happens to someone playing a gank or snipe playstyle, I believe karma is the word.
I wouldn't do it to someone out in the open, but if you stealth out in a keep defense I will gladly do my best to bring a swarm of enemies to your hiding spot.
wait a minute - don't you want your allies killing enemies?!?
for years i factioned hopped...the last few months though i've been blue only and have developed a very healthy hatred for all players not rocking a blue banner...other than wanting in on the AP - i don't think i would care what playstyle (other than cheating/exploiting) an ally would use to dispose of our enemies...PVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place5 -
Sanctum74✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Can't say I have any sympathy when this happens to someone playing a gank or snipe playstyle, I believe karma is the word.
I wouldn't do it to someone out in the open, but if you stealth out in a keep defense I will gladly do my best to bring a swarm of enemies to your hiding spot.
wait a minute - don't you want your allies killing enemies?!?
for years i factioned hopped...the last few months though i've been blue only and have developed a very healthy hatred for all players not rocking a blue banner...other than wanting in on the AP - i don't think i would care what playstyle (other than cheating/exploiting) an ally would use to dispose of our enemies...
Like I said I wouldn't do like what was done in the video, but I will gladly expose the ad crowns that cry for help in chat, but then hide or run away on a keep defense. At that point they are not helping their faction or killing anyone.
It's a different scenario then what op experienced, but as others have stated people are just fed up with broken snipe and it looks like someone found a solution. Seems fair to me, he had 30 seconds of tracking the enemy to react, something tells me his snipe victims don't get that much of a notice.
In the end it's just a game, respawn try again.
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WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »I do love laughing at someone else's expense.
And this comment is why so many believe PvP is a toxic environment.
Well done proving them right...
PvP is no environment for care bears or bow tards with some fantasy of not dying. Which one are you?
I don't care about dying, I care about not having someone on my own alliance pointing out my location. The complaint isn't about dying, it's about spying.
Not too bright, are you?
Spying? No. You were gimping/sniping people who were probably trying to do some real PvP, you were leeching easy kills so you got what you deserved, pal. Then you came to cry here about it as per Nightblade code dictates.PC EU4 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »It's funny seeing all the folks that are triggered by snipers/gankers.
It is a toxic no risk high reward playstyle and people dont like it. I really dont understand why zos doesnt change the skill tbf. It has way too much damage, the defile on it is ridiculous and the desync is terrible. Just look at this topic... people are just very unhappy about the skill.
there is absolutely risk, most are glass cannons and are not that hard to find. the desync needs to be fixed, but the rest is a l2p issue.
Imagine the risks you take when sniping someone from 40m+......Edited by Qbiken on February 7, 2019 8:22AM8 -
Trancestor✭✭✭✭✭We have a dueling system that allows you to duel in a private duel that no one else can ruin. Cyro is not for dueling. If you are fighting in Cyro you are free game. There are not dueling rules there. "maybe they were dueling" is a bad excuse.
It is interesting that people will make up rules and then use those made up rules to apply to a place that is a AvAvA location.
What happened in this video is cheating. Clear cheating. If you want to play on red to fight yellow than do so.
If you are going to duel in Cyro then you are going to get interrupted. I will always help a fellow yellow turn the tide of combat in Cyro no matter how small the battle.
All blues and reds must be defeated so badly they log off the game.
Even when that yellow wants the duel? I love when im dueling someone and some scrub on my faction decides to interrupt so i just let whoever i was dueling finish the scrub off in a matter of a few seconds, bet you're one of those.2 -
albesca✭✭✭✭✭Trancestor wrote: »Even when that yellow wants the duel? I love when im dueling someone and some scrub on my faction decides to interrupt so i just let whoever i was dueling finish the scrub off in a matter of a few seconds, bet you're one of those.
How does one tell if you're dueling?
Unless you're in the middle of nowhere fighting a single enemy, and even then you might have crossed him while doing a scouting missionPC EU
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Trancestor✭✭✭✭✭Trancestor wrote: »Even when that yellow wants the duel? I love when im dueling someone and some scrub on my faction decides to interrupt so i just let whoever i was dueling finish the scrub off in a matter of a few seconds, bet you're one of those.
How does one tell if you're dueling?
Unless you're in the middle of nowhere fighting a single enemy, and even then you might have crossed him while doing a scouting mission
It may be an agreed duel or 2 ppl who came across each other and started fighting, in both cases i would just ignore it or wait for one of them to die to either res or duel the other player myself...just an act of decency.
I dont see the point of outnumbering a player (unless that player is someone who annoyed me in some way and i really want him dead), i like a challenge not getting an easy undeserved kill.Edited by Trancestor on February 7, 2019 9:07AM3 -
Reistr_the_Unbroken✭✭✭✭✭
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Snipe isn’t the point here dudeWillhelmBlack wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »I do love laughing at someone else's expense.
And this comment is why so many believe PvP is a toxic environment.
Well done proving them right...
PvP is no environment for care bears or bow tards with some fantasy of not dying. Which one are you?
I don't care about dying, I care about not having someone on my own alliance pointing out my location. The complaint isn't about dying, it's about spying.
Not too bright, are you?
Spying? No. You were gimping/sniping people who were probably trying to do some real PvP, you were leeching easy kills so you got what you deserved, pal. Then you came to cry here about it as per Nightblade code dictates.
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albesca✭✭✭✭✭Trancestor wrote: »I dont see the point of outnumbering a player (unless that player is someone who annoyed me in some way and i really want him dead), i like a challenge not getting an easy undeserved kill.
You have a point, and I generally agree; the only exception I make is when in the general proximity of my alliance resources, in that case I attack no matter how outnumbered the enemy already is.
I do the same with PVE: if I cross enemies in a delve I leave them alone, if they're attacking our resources I defend themPC EU
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WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Snipe isn’t the point here dudeWillhelmBlack wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »I do love laughing at someone else's expense.
And this comment is why so many believe PvP is a toxic environment.
Well done proving them right...
PvP is no environment for care bears or bow tards with some fantasy of not dying. Which one are you?
I don't care about dying, I care about not having someone on my own alliance pointing out my location. The complaint isn't about dying, it's about spying.
Not too bright, are you?
Spying? No. You were gimping/sniping people who were probably trying to do some real PvP, you were leeching easy kills so you got what you deserved, pal. Then you came to cry here about it as per Nightblade code dictates.
Well, no, you're right. It's Bow tards in general, I don't know how they have the cheek to complain about others considering the amount of grief they inflict on other players,. 80% of the time its their own team or faction because they can't help or heal in a fight, they can't save a flag, keep or relic. All they can do is stack kills one-handed.PC EU3 -
ZeroXFF✭✭✭✭✭
✭And this is why we need stealth to work not only for enemies, but also for allies. The only people who should see a stealthed/invisible person are group members.4 -
DivineFirstYOLO✭✭✭✭Well deserved, this is why sneak needs to be removed in cyro. People behave like cowards and only engage when they can outnumber the enemy. You will never learn to play if you continue to perma sneak.
Zerg Squad
Godslayer x 4
Pro questing fees for RPers in Cyrodiil, pay your taxes!
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WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭And this is why we need stealth to work not only for enemies, but also for allies. The only people who should see a stealthed/invisible person are group members.
Ah so you can be 100% useless in PvP. Good idea! Better still, uninstall! Save pop locking your faction to let useful players in instead.PC EU2 -
Gnozo✭✭✭✭✭
✭People don’t like gankers? Idk sometimes I warn people about gankers but usually only if it’s going to be an Xv1 situation and it’s someone I respect as a player. Perhaps they wanted to duel and they didn’t want you ganking?
Except I wasnt ganking, just trying to get back to the keep. I'm clearly moving away...
Still, doesn't make it any less ***
P.S. He's helping a ganker...
Maybe you wasnt ganking in your clip but what about before? We dont know. Maybe you sniped him and then tbagged him and your teammate saw your toxic behavior and decided to help your victim get his revenge. We dont know, its way out of context to tell.
And you wasnt really moving back to the keep, you were watching the approaching enemies, waiting for an oppurtunity to gank someone. Standing on one point for several seconds and watching your enemies isnt "clearly moving away".
And everyone with a brain can tell that you are a snipe ganker. 17k hp and regen buff food. No melee nightblade would run this low amount of hp.
PS: He doesnt look like a ganker. Max HP buff + Boodspawn Monster set. What ganker runs bloodspawn wich require to take damage to proc?6 -
wazzz56✭✭✭✭✭a few observations.....you were in no way "making your way back to the keep" you stopped, buffed and re-positioned yourself AWAY from the keep.....also, Rapidsugar is in no way a ganker.....he is just a damn good nb..as far as the person showing where you were, eh, sucks but it happens....especially to gankers...GM Tig Ole Critties ps5 NA small scale PvP guild
"After a hard week of farming, or a long night of being nagged by your wife, there is nothing better than going out for a bit of a fish."2 -
xxthir13enxx✭✭✭✭✭
✭lol The Exploiter obviously didn’t give a fly’n F*^k that the player was a Sniper....they were just showing where “Teammates” were stealthed out. Same vid would be seen if the victim had been a Healer.
But until ZOS implements a Traitors Chopping Block to hack off their heads....it’s buisness as usual... Dipsheets do as Dipsheets do.
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ZeroXFF✭✭✭✭✭
✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »And this is why we need stealth to work not only for enemies, but also for allies. The only people who should see a stealthed/invisible person are group members.
Ah so you can be 100% useless in PvP. Good idea! Better still, uninstall! Save pop locking your faction to let useful players in instead.
If you read your own message again, does it sound coherent? Because to me it looks like a collection of random gibberish that has no connection to what I said at all.
Also, don't worry about me pop locking anything, I don't PvP, because it's pure cancer. But this thread seemed to give a good gameplay reason to change a mechanic that never made sense to me, and also causes confusion to new players...Edited by ZeroXFF on February 7, 2019 2:47PM4 -
Tan9oSuccka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭People don’t like gankers? Idk sometimes I warn people about gankers but usually only if it’s going to be an Xv1 situation and it’s someone I respect as a player. Perhaps they wanted to duel and they didn’t want you ganking?
Except I wasnt ganking, just trying to get back to the keep. I'm clearly moving away...
Still, doesn't make it any less ***
P.S. He's helping a ganker...
Maybe you wasnt ganking in your clip but what about before? We dont know. Maybe you sniped him and then tbagged him and your teammate saw your toxic behavior and decided to help your victim get his revenge. We dont know, its way out of context to tell.
And you wasnt really moving back to the keep, you were watching the approaching enemies, waiting for an oppurtunity to gank someone. Standing on one point for several seconds and watching your enemies isnt "clearly moving away".
And everyone with a brain can tell that you are a snipe ganker. 17k hp and regen buff food. No melee nightblade would run this low amount of hp.
PS: He doesnt look like a ganker. Max HP buff + Boodspawn Monster set. What ganker runs bloodspawn wich require to take damage to proc?
WHY DOES HIS BUILD MATTER?
I guess abhorrent behavior can be justified by any means and the victim can be blamed no matter what.
I’m not surprised though.9 -
SpacemanSpiff1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »It's funny seeing all the folks that are triggered by snipers/gankers.
It is a toxic no risk high reward playstyle and people dont like it. I really dont understand why zos doesnt change the skill tbf. It has way too much damage, the defile on it is ridiculous and the desync is terrible. Just look at this topic... people are just very unhappy about the skill.
there is absolutely risk, most are glass cannons and are not that hard to find. the desync needs to be fixed, but the rest is a l2p issue.
Imagine the risks you take when sniping someone from 40m+......
yes, i make sure to tell my target not to move, then measure out exactly 40m before attacking. every time4 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »It's funny seeing all the folks that are triggered by snipers/gankers.
It is a toxic no risk high reward playstyle and people dont like it. I really dont understand why zos doesnt change the skill tbf. It has way too much damage, the defile on it is ridiculous and the desync is terrible. Just look at this topic... people are just very unhappy about the skill.
there is absolutely risk, most are glass cannons and are not that hard to find. the desync needs to be fixed, but the rest is a l2p issue.
Imagine the risks you take when sniping someone from 40m+......
yes, i make sure to tell my target not to move, then measure out exactly 40m before attacking. every time
You can replace the distance with more or less any number you like tbh, as long as I'm outside the range of a gapcloser I'm not talking any risks whatsoever. Non ultimate abilities shouldn't hit hard ans have powerful debuffs attached to them. Make snipe an ultimate and it would honestly be in a more balanced state than it is now.Edited by Qbiken on February 7, 2019 2:33PM2 -
Tan9oSuccka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »It's funny seeing all the folks that are triggered by snipers/gankers.
It is a toxic no risk high reward playstyle and people dont like it. I really dont understand why zos doesnt change the skill tbf. It has way too much damage, the defile on it is ridiculous and the desync is terrible. Just look at this topic... people are just very unhappy about the skill.
there is absolutely risk, most are glass cannons and are not that hard to find. the desync needs to be fixed, but the rest is a l2p issue.
Imagine the risks you take when sniping someone from 40m+......
yes, i make sure to tell my target not to move, then measure out exactly 40m before attacking. every time
You can replace the distance with more or less any number you like tbh, as long as I'm outside the range of a gapcloser I'm not talking any risks whatsoever. Non ultimate abilities shouldn't hit hard ans have powerful debuffs attached to them. Make snipe an ultimate and it would honestly be in a balanced state.
This is a terrible idea. Ball groups are already out of control. This move would empower them even more.
They need to fix the desync that happens with the snipe skill.
Quite honestly, I think the hatred for snipers is this best way to break up these zerg ball groups.
They break away and chase in different directions looking for that e-peen kill on one guy.1 -
dtsharples✭✭✭✭✭Call him out and what he is doing in your Zone Chat with his @name and character name.
Let this human-turd take the responsibility for his actions.
Some *** did the exact same thing to me recently because apparently I had killed him and 2 of his team-mates twice (I was alone and tbh had no idea they were the same 3 people, was just defending a resource).
So this 1 dope relogs to his DC character and comes to find me near the keep, and does exactly what the moron in your video did.
I called him (The DC) out in zone, he replied with some generic waffle about killing his friends.
Obviously DC found this hilarious and dutifully berated the little pleb into logging off. Haven't seen him in DC since, haven't seen him in PVP since tbh 5 -
Osteos✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is bad sportsmanship and there is no excuse for it. I don't care if the OP is a ganker. I don't care if he uses snipe. He doesn't deserve to get ratted out by a fellow faction member.
The duel defense is the most laughable. I cant think of a worse location on the entire map to expect a private duel. DAGGERFALL COVENANTNA PCFormer Vehemence MemberOnistka Valerius <> Artemis Renault <> Gonk gra-Ugrash <> Karietta <> Zercon at-Rusa <> Genevieve Renault <> Ktaka <> Brenlyn Renault12 -
Inarre✭✭✭✭✭
✭While I think this is lame zos has stated before its not an offense or bannable. Just like in real war you will have traitors and spies, so do we in cyrodiil.0 -
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✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »I do love laughing at someone else's expense.
And this comment is why so many believe PvP is a toxic environment.
Well done proving them right...
PvP is no environment for care bears or bow tards with some fantasy of not dying. Which one are you?
Unless you're from a full loot MMO, you're a care bear too.
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TheBonesXXX✭✭✭✭✭
✭usmcjdking wrote: »This video is glorious.
I encourage everyone to do the same. There's no reason that we as a community can't remove the toxic gameplay of stealth ganking by using the capabilities allotted to us.
RIP, hope it happens until you decide to either stop PVPing or learn how to PVP.
Sniper play can be an invaluable part of a team to take out certain targets.
It's effective and lethal, it's a playstyle. If any wandering hurdur gets dropped by a Sniper build they deserve it for being lazy or low IQd.
Situational Awareness must have gone out the window.5 -
BrianLovesLisa✭✭✭✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »I do love laughing at someone else's expense.
And this comment is why so many believe PvP is a toxic environment.
Well done proving them right...
It is a toxic environment where kids pvp in chat more then they pvp the other factions. Everyone does not "believe PvP is a toxic environment" They KNOW It is.3
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