The downside of PvP.

TheBonesXXX

BrianLovesLisa wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

I do love laughing at someone else's expense.

And this comment is why so many believe PvP is a toxic environment.
Well done proving them right...

It is a toxic environment where kids pvp in chat more then they pvp the other factions. Everyone does not "believe PvP is a toxic environment" They KNOW It is.

It's been like this, "PLAY THE GAME MY WAY YOU NURB, HURDURDUR"

Sniper is valid play, pseudo intellectual low IQd meatsacks complaining that they can't free run keep to keep in amillisecond to PvDoor with a turd herd and ten billion times the numbers is a summary of a big part of the community.

And it is the problem, we can't get a well made, in depth game because of it.

I support sniping, hurdur meatsack turdhurding, 1 v X, X v 1, whatever, it's PvP.

But the amount of weak minded powerless hold my hand ZOS and skip with me cryhards drown out any reasonable change.

itscompton

usmcjdking wrote: »

This video is glorious.

I encourage everyone to do the same. There's no reason that we as a community can't remove the toxic gameplay of stealth ganking by using the capabilities allotted to us.

RIP, hope it happens until you decide to either stop PVPing or learn how to PVP.

Sounds to me like you've got a squishy build and a fragile ego if you can't deal with getting ganked once in a while. Stealth is part of the game and if you don't like it perhaps you're the one that should quit PvPing. And I say this as a light armor Templar that lives through about half of all attempts to gank me.

itscompton

Bosov wrote: »

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

It's funny seeing all the folks that are triggered by snipers/gankers.

It is a toxic no risk high reward playstyle and people dont like it. I really dont understand why zos doesnt change the skill tbf. It has way too much damage, the defile on it is ridiculous and the desync is terrible. Just look at this topic... people are just very unhappy about the skill.

The ONLY problem with the skill is the desync, When it works correctly it's incredibly easy to block/dodgeroll a snipe. The only improvement I'd like to see regarding this skill is that it be reflected by more abilities that reflect magic projectiles but not physical.

Gilvoth

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itscompton

Exodium wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

What everyone who's giving me *** about having snipe on my bar is, I haven't even had the chance to use it yet. What's going down in this video...these players don't even know I have snipe yet.

This is happening pre-snipe.

So while you have the privilege of seeing my bars, they do not. Saying this happened because I'm using snipe is false.
I'm not asking for sympathy, I'm trying to discuss the scourge of spying on your own alliance.

Snipe really isn't the point here.

But please, continue going off topic if you must.

Would love to here the defense of this behavior if I was on my magDK....lol

If they didn't know you were a sniper and you don't have a reputation for being a sniper then yes it was a *** move.

But as others have mentioned, snipers deserve this kind of treatment.

The solo-player and small-scale community have become sick of lurking snipers in the background abusing the desync exploit and knowing too well that they are exploiting a broken move.

So now its not uncommon for vigilante action where players will reveal snipers to other factions as a way to vent their frustration because ZoS still hasn't fixed the most broken skill in the game for 4 years now.

It's not a game mode meant for 1v1 or 4v4. If you're pointing out people on your alliance to friends on another alliance there is no valid excuse, you're a dirtbag.

fred4

For what it's worth, I'm with the OP. Your own faction turning on you is among the most off-putting behaviour in the game. It makes me quit PvP when it happens. It's not just a matter-of-fact, rational strategy either. The toxic mindset behind some of this behaviour is well represented by WillhelmBlack in this thread.

People hate nightblades, especially bow gankers, but from a game design standpoint cloak fulfills an important role, in my opinion. As a solo player, with friends / guild offline, I log on with my nightblade and I play a ganker, because that saves me from playing horse simulator. In my case it's a melee ganker. I get into prolonged duels or brawls, if I can, but the playstyle invariably involves cloaking and bursting from cloak.

In larger brawls, the natural role of a nightblade is to act like an execute. Yes, I will gank a tanky player that my faction mates are having a hard time killing. This is not my only kind of target, but my role is quite limited to attack. Throwing the occasional Healing Ward is OK, but I'm not a healer, and I am far too squishy to be a visible target most of the time. If you are really good, you can weave in and out of combat seamlessly, but I can understand a player who plays more carefully.

Just this week I got zone chat abuse exactly along the lines of what WillhelmBlack is saying, basically that I should go away, because I was merely leeching, only in much less polite language. It happened in IC. I was watching them fight a fisherman, under a bridge, which I don't attack as a matter of principle. A simple act of kindness, like that, immediately sets some toxic players on tilt. A third faction player showed up, a nightblade shading around, whom I found very hard to target, because my two faction mate's twilights kept blocking my view. When I eventually did help kill him, I got abuse poured on to me by them.

kaithuzar

@Kel why didn’t you just kill the guy. A majority of fights are won by the person who strikes first. If you see someone coming your way then hit them instead of standing there & thinking of going the other direction..

Also you got 17k health; are you crazy?
It should be a requirement to have 22+ before entering Cyrodiil, that’s a noob mistake. This “full ganker build” is b.s. & terrible, anyone who builds that way & cant hold their own in a fight or get away based on the tools available, needs to fix their build.

I know plenty that have tried that playstyle & the only ones who are successful don’t die because they know how to get away properly; most are above 20k health.
If you can’t escape & survive you need to rework things until you can, or just kill the guy first.

WillhelmBlack

ZeroXFF wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

ZeroXFF wrote: »

And this is why we need stealth to work not only for enemies, but also for allies. The only people who should see a stealthed/invisible person are group members.

Ah so you can be 100% useless in PvP. Good idea! Better still, uninstall! Save pop locking your faction to let useful players in instead.

If you read your own message again, does it sound coherent? Because to me it looks like a collection of random gibberish that has no connection to what I said at all.

Also, don't worry about me pop locking anything, I don't PvP, because it's pure cancer. But this thread seemed to give a good gameplay reason to change a mechanic that never made sense to me, and also causes confusion to new players...

Do you not understand that being completely invisible to everyone in an AvA game is a ridiculous idea? How would anyone defend or take keeps if they can't see their own back up? Battleground matches would be a joke. The sneak mechanic in ESO is bad enough as is.

If you prefer to do your PvP on the forums like the clever [snip] you sound like, then go do some of your own research on the game first so everything doesn't have to be explained for you.

[Edit for censor bypass.]

fred4

@kaithuzar, he was slow to react. Didn't react at all really. The very first time this happened to me, I was the same. It's just sheer incredulity that your faction mate would do this or not even being sure exactly what they are doing. Ostensibly you are two players who could take on the opposing faction. You don't expect this instead.

Raammzzaa

fred4 wrote: »

@kaithuzar, he was slow to react. Didn't react at all really. The very first time this happened to me, I was the same. It's just sheer incredulity that your faction mate would do this or not even being sure exactly what they are doing. Ostensibly you are two players who could take on the opposing faction. You don't expect this instead.

I think it looks like he was buffing up for a gank, moving away from the keep, and too busy typing “f^ck you” to do anything...

Kel

fred4 wrote: »

@kaithuzar, he was slow to react. Didn't react at all really. The very first time this happened to me, I was the same. It's just sheer incredulity that your faction mate would do this or not even being sure exactly what they are doing. Ostensibly you are two players who could take on the opposing faction. You don't expect this instead.

Yeah, it was exactly this.
I wasn't registering it until I saw my own "teammate" running at me.
First time this has happened. Didn't really comprehend what was going on until he ran right at me..

By that time, all I could do way type **** off.
Total brain freeze

zyk

This is the downside of life. Shameless jerks are multiplying exponentially. They're pretty much everywhere now.

On first person shooters with active admins, this kind of thing will immediately get one a lifetime ban. It's griefing, pure and simple. There's no justification for it.

Emmagoldman

Kel wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

People don’t like gankers? Idk sometimes I warn people about gankers but usually only if it’s going to be an Xv1 situation and it’s someone I respect as a player. Perhaps they wanted to duel and they didn’t want you ganking?

Except I wasnt ganking, just trying to get back to the keep. I'm clearly moving away...

Still, doesn't make it any less ***

P.S. He's helping a ganker...

You are fine with ganking, its your class and you are playing how it is meant to be played. There is a trade off for Gank builds in that they limit themselves into one type of play. Generally, in group play, they get get steamrolled.

*** move for sure

TheBonesXXX

zyk wrote: »

This is the downside of life. Shameless jerks are multiplying exponentially. They're pretty much everywhere now.

That's because people just can't get handled anymore because "muh culture" or "muh mentuuul healf" while visibly being a complete manure sack. Or some other shady excuse....

I remember when catching one in the teeth was well deserved.

CyrusArya

Mintaka5 wrote: »

Sadly, this is not the only type of toxicity in PvP.

• Gankers with no strategic value whatsoever. They are just in PvP to harass other players and are basically trolling for hate tells.
• Scroll hijacking (similar to this video)
• Decent size clique (seems like a crosss-faction guild) of players who bully select other players.
• Cheat engine and macro deniers.

A basic lack of learning how to play [well with others].

@Mintaka5 Listen buddy, I say this with good will.

Your experience with the third point has a lot to do with your ignorant conviction in your fourth point. Focusing down and obliterating an enemy player in PvP is not toxicity. The nature of the tells you send people that kill you however definitely is

First learn to sit down, be humble, and accept defeat with grace, before lecturing people about how to play with others.

Katahdin

People that justify telling others how to play a game because they happen to disagree with a certain playstyle, class or skill that is legitimately allowed by the game developers need to read Play to Win by Sirlin.

He calls those people scrubs

Mintaka5

CyrusArya wrote: »

@Mintaka5 Listen buddy, I say this with good will.

Your experience with the third point has a lot to do with your ignorant conviction in your fourth point. Focusing down and obliterating an enemy player in PvP is not toxicity. The nature of the tells you send people that kill you however definitely is

First learn to sit down, be humble, and accept defeat with grace, before lecturing people about how to play with others.

Everyday! I learn everyday, son!

I know players single me out, and it's complete ***, toxicity and harassment. You can write novels around your argument, and still be wrong. I don't learn anything from it. Defeat with grace, is just another toxic tag line fed by your overblown egos.

Anyhow I know this clique exists in PvP. They've admitted to it. They chase me around Cyrodiil getting intel on my location from cross-faction players, and then tell me they're all laughing at me at my expense over and over and over and over. You want to lecture me on being humble, then look at yourselves first, and learn that your behavior is about as modest as Donald Trump's fake *** hairdo. You and all your l33t buddies are pretenders!

HUMBLE YOURSELF, FOOL!

p00tx

This has happened to me on my Magplar when I was stealthed up and taking a phone call. I was crouching in a corner, glowing gold with a staff, so clearly a Magplar and not a ganker, and some little (probably 12 year-old) failed abortion came along and exposed me. Luckily for me, I'm a little sturdier and was able to get away. Even stil, it's trash gameplay, no matter how we all (including myself) feel about gankers. Pick a side and stick with it, even if only for the duration of time you're logged onto that particular character.

jd24

I'm relatively new to the game but is this just a case of something pvp happened in a pvp area? Like 3 youtube videos ago I was watching someone with a bow just gimping people by himself. When this video started, I thought it was the same video but the guy got killed instead. Ha newb..

LeifErickson

Mintaka5 wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

@Mintaka5 Listen buddy, I say this with good will.

Your experience with the third point has a lot to do with your ignorant conviction in your fourth point. Focusing down and obliterating an enemy player in PvP is not toxicity. The nature of the tells you send people that kill you however definitely is

First learn to sit down, be humble, and accept defeat with grace, before lecturing people about how to play with others.

Everyday! I learn everyday, son!

I know players single me out, and it's complete ***, toxicity and harassment. You can write novels around your argument, and still be wrong. I don't learn anything from it. Defeat with grace, is just another toxic tag line fed by your overblown egos.

Anyhow I know this clique exists in PvP. They've admitted to it. They chase me around Cyrodiil getting intel on my location from cross-faction players, and then tell me they're all laughing at me at my expense over and over and over and over. You want to lecture me on being humble, then look at yourselves first, and learn that your behavior is about as modest as Donald Trump's fake *** hairdo. You and all your l33t buddies are pretenders!

HUMBLE YOURSELF, FOOL!

Dang Mintaka nice forum 1vx. You really showed him.

Cambruin

Downside to PvP... that being the lag in Cyrodill? Or would it be the horrible group finder still not functioning, leaving one utterly frustrated with yet another deserter penalty because the game can't manage to properly set up a 4v4v4 BG?

So frigging incompetent.

Steelshiv

Kel wrote: »

Let me start off saying I love PvP in ESO. The combat is fun and fast paced and exciting.
This situation, however, is anything but fun.
I don't understand why players do this, what they get out of it, or why this is even allowed....but this is something that definitely ruins fun.

https://youtu.be/Vggzw7K5FiI

Omg such skill. The ESO music just added to it and reminded me of glitches in Oblivion. Then the tbagging. Granted we don't know the full story, maybe op ganked the dude and he's happy op is dead. I only tbag my teammates and some enemies but in both cases they know what they did and they deserve it lol.

Thogard

Sniper is a really challenging playstyle. I stream my sniper every Tuesday and if anyone is interested in Learning more about how truly complex it is, please tune in. Here’s a short clip of my last one, where I demonstrate the challenging nature of the class:

https://clips.twitch.tv/SpineyPoisedPrariedogGOWSkull

And here’s a clip of me demonstrating the high risk nature of the snipe playstyle... only with extreme precision and attention to detail can one survive while playing such a challenging, team oriented build:

https://clips.twitch.tv/PlainDepressedPeafowlPogChamp

jd24

Thogard wrote: »

Sniper is a really challenging playstyle. I stream my sniper every Tuesday and if anyone is interested in Learning more about how truly complex it is, please tune in. Here’s a short clip of my last one, where I demonstrate the challenging nature of the class:

https://clips.twitch.tv/SpineyPoisedPrariedogGOWSkull

And here’s a clip of me demonstrating the high risk nature of the snipe playstyle... only with extreme precision and attention to detail can one survive while playing such a challenging, team oriented build:

https://clips.twitch.tv/PlainDepressedPeafowlPogChamp

You may be my new most favorite person. Playing 1 handed while drinking a coke.. 10/10 sir

IronWooshu

I've been playing without the music in ESO for so long I forgot what it sounded like.

OtarTheMad

Steelshiv wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Let me start off saying I love PvP in ESO. The combat is fun and fast paced and exciting.
This situation, however, is anything but fun.
I don't understand why players do this, what they get out of it, or why this is even allowed....but this is something that definitely ruins fun.

https://youtu.be/Vggzw7K5FiI

Omg such skill. The ESO music just added to it and reminded me of glitches in Oblivion. Then the tbagging. Granted we don't know the full story, maybe op ganked the dude and he's happy op is dead. I only tbag my teammates and some enemies but in both cases they know what they did and they deserve it lol.

The OP said it earlier in this thread, apparently the team mate who pointed out his location does this all the time to anyone/everyone, he is spying and helping his faction by pointing out players in stealth. Which is really messed up honestly but a sad part of PvP.

Raammzzaa

Thogard wrote: »

Sniper is a really challenging playstyle. I stream my sniper every Tuesday and if anyone is interested in Learning more about how truly complex it is, please tune in. Here’s a short clip of my last one, where I demonstrate the challenging nature of the class:

https://clips.twitch.tv/SpineyPoisedPrariedogGOWSkull

And here’s a clip of me demonstrating the high risk nature of the snipe playstyle... only with extreme precision and attention to detail can one survive while playing such a challenging, team oriented build:

https://clips.twitch.tv/PlainDepressedPeafowlPogChamp

Ha! That really was awesome!

Kalante

Kel wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Lol this clearly was someone who doesn't like gankers. And I dont believe you were trying to get away. You buffed up your weapon damage to head back to the keep?

Again, he's helping a ganker.
So, he doesn't like gankers, so he's helping a ganker?
Where's the logic in that?

Players buff..it's a habit. I also stayed on my sword bar...funny how you don't mention that.

Yes, I was clearly bow ganking on my sword bar...

Of course the spying isn't the focus...

lol i know that player and he aint no ganker i'll tell ya that much. Also you are one of those lethal arrow health dysinc exploiters. I see that silver leash and lethal arrow with cloak, so you have no right to complain. With all that lag you probably get lots of "fun" killing people hitting them everything at once with lethal arrows that they can not hear or see. You are actually whats wrong with pvp and any sympathy I might had for you is gone. You deserve to get tbagged. It's disgusting how you come to the forums and try to come off as the victim.

Thogard

joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Sniper is a really challenging playstyle. I stream my sniper every Tuesday and if anyone is interested in Learning more about how truly complex it is, please tune in. Here’s a short clip of my last one, where I demonstrate the challenging nature of the class:

https://clips.twitch.tv/SpineyPoisedPrariedogGOWSkull

And here’s a clip of me demonstrating the high risk nature of the snipe playstyle... only with extreme precision and attention to detail can one survive while playing such a challenging, team oriented build:

https://clips.twitch.tv/PlainDepressedPeafowlPogChamp

You may be my new most favorite person. Playing 1 handed while drinking a coke.. 10/10 sir

Raammzzaa wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Sniper is a really challenging playstyle. I stream my sniper every Tuesday and if anyone is interested in Learning more about how truly complex it is, please tune in. Here’s a short clip of my last one, where I demonstrate the challenging nature of the class:

https://clips.twitch.tv/SpineyPoisedPrariedogGOWSkull

And here’s a clip of me demonstrating the high risk nature of the snipe playstyle... only with extreme precision and attention to detail can one survive while playing such a challenging, team oriented build:

https://clips.twitch.tv/PlainDepressedPeafowlPogChamp

Ha! That really was awesome!

Haha thanks guys

zyk

joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »

You may be my new most favorite person. Playing 1 handed while drinking a coke.. 10/10 sir

Oh please, he's crutching on his right arm -- aka the carry arm. Plus caffeine doses while playing are an obvious advantage.

Swap his right and left arms for control and change the drink to Everclear and that's a different fight.