Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Rupz_Koomar wrote: »ESO isn't that of an immersive game. And neither ESO is completely faithful to the lore.
None of these reasons justify why Necromancer class should not be a thing in ESO.
There are 100 other reasons I can list you which justify that but you already know as u argued with everyone who oppose a new class.Take what u learnt from them and educate yourself :P
Necromancer class is not happening in the next 2 or 3 years as it does not make sense businesswise so U can now stop with new class nonsense
You have been waiting for it since launch and u will wait for it for years to come and most probably forever..
Faithful to the lore. Christ, Skyrim managed to bastardize more of the TES lore than anything ESO has thrown up. In fact, Bethesda themselves are the worst when it comes to keeping their own TES lore in check. I get there are niggles contained within ESO, but it's no woese than what we've witnessed on TES games proper.
I wholeheartedly disagree. ESO has way more plot holes and lore inconsistence than any TES game ever had in my opinion
Also, I'd love to see necromancer class ^.^
That is because ESO comes before any of the single player games. Meaning, that had free reign. Also, most lore within the ES universe is 'account' based. Which means, just because one author mentioned something as so in a book, doesn't mean it is entirely accurate. ...Much like real life.
This is correct. Galerion got Mannimarco kicked out of the Psijics because of Necromancy, and Galerion later founded the Mages Guild, so they would have probably had a general aversion to it, but as far as we know, it wasn't until Hannibal Traven that the Mages Guild actually got into the politics of actually banning it.emilyhyoyeon wrote: »I thought necromancy wasn't always forbidden/hated by the Mages Guild.
Yes, that's how it works.
ZOS could make ESO2 with compeletely new storylines and all new quests. That's how playable necros would become valid.
In current ESO necros are invalid.
I wonder why you still can't see that.
Rupz_Koomar wrote: »ESO isn't that of an immersive game. And neither ESO is completely faithful to the lore.
None of these reasons justify why Necromancer class should not be a thing in ESO.
There are 100 other reasons I can list you which justify that but you already know as u argued with everyone who oppose a new class.Take what u learnt from them and educate yourself :P
Necromancer class is not happening in the next 2 or 3 years as it does not make sense businesswise so U can now stop with new class nonsense
You have been waiting for it since launch and u will wait for it for years to come and most probably forever..
Rupz_Koomar wrote: »True Necros are not all bad.
Mannimarco does not represent all of US.
Ps: no new class plz ;_:
OK.
Between ESO and Arena there are almost 700 years of difference and a Talos in middle.
During ESO events, Necros were the bad guys. It doesn't matter if 1000 years before or 1000 yeasr after there are "good" necros. In the second era they were all of them following Mannimarco. If you are a necro, then, how would you oppose to mannimarco AND Molag Bal? Even f both of them promse you victory... that sole concept has no point.
Now somethging for yu to consider: Telvanni... why didn't they join the Pact? Among several reasons, there was a ban on necromancy during that time. The only instance I remember a "good" NPC using necromancy it's Aelif and she wans't good, right?
notimetocare wrote: »OK.
Between ESO and Arena there are almost 700 years of difference and a Talos in middle.
During ESO events, Necros were the bad guys. It doesn't matter if 1000 years before or 1000 yeasr after there are "good" necros. In the second era they were all of them following Mannimarco. If you are a necro, then, how would you oppose to mannimarco AND Molag Bal? Even f both of them promse you victory... that sole concept has no point.
Now somethging for yu to consider: Telvanni... why didn't they join the Pact? Among several reasons, there was a ban on necromancy during that time. The only instance I remember a "good" NPC using necromancy it's Aelif and she wans't good, right?
Alot wrong here.
-Dunmer ancestor worship is a form of Necromancy.
-Necromancy is not currently banned in any sense. It is very taboo to the Redguards (likely the only that would ban it). Most races, as a majority, oppose the practice for the same reason we in our world oppose defiling graves.
-Not all necromancers are in service to Mannimarco or the worm cult.
OK.
Between ESO and Arena there are almost 700 years of difference and a Talos in middle.
During ESO events, Necros were the bad guys. It doesn't matter if 1000 years before or 1000 yeasr after there are "good" necros. In the second era they were all of them following Mannimarco. If you are a necro, then, how would you oppose to mannimarco AND Molag Bal? Even f both of them promse you victory... that sole concept has no point.
Now somethging for yu to consider: Telvanni... why didn't they join the Pact? Among several reasons, there was a ban on necromancy during that time. The only instance I remember a "good" NPC using necromancy it's Aelif and she wans't good, right?
notimetocare wrote: »OK.
Between ESO and Arena there are almost 700 years of difference and a Talos in middle.
During ESO events, Necros were the bad guys. It doesn't matter if 1000 years before or 1000 yeasr after there are "good" necros. In the second era they were all of them following Mannimarco. If you are a necro, then, how would you oppose to mannimarco AND Molag Bal? Even f both of them promse you victory... that sole concept has no point.
Now somethging for yu to consider: Telvanni... why didn't they join the Pact? Among several reasons, there was a ban on necromancy during that time. The only instance I remember a "good" NPC using necromancy it's Aelif and she wans't good, right?
Alot wrong here.
-Dunmer ancestor worship is a form of Necromancy.
-Necromancy is not currently banned in any sense. It is very taboo to the Redguards (likely the only that would ban it). Most races, as a majority, oppose the practice for the same reason we in our world oppose defiling graves.
-Not all necromancers are in service to Mannimarco or the worm cult.
During the Planemeld? Name only one good Necro.
Don't you think the link between Mannimarco and Molag Bal goes beyond Manny's ambition of becoming a new god of schemes? Theres' something Molag Bal gave Manny in exchange... maybe control over all necros?
As I said before, It doesn't matter Necros in the past or the future, is during the events of the Planemeld and that shows there's no good necro.
Regarding Dunmer ancestor woship... maybe you should try some other TES games. Though they use necromancy in the form of spells, there are NO necromancers in dunmer culture. The class doesn't exist and the closest classes to necromancy are the ones who have Conjuration as a major skill: Battlemage, Sorc and Witchhunter (Mage in Oblivion). None of the is near the archetype of a Necro
Instead of Necro, I prefer a Battlemage that uses magicka with stam weapon skills or stam with magicka weapon skills.
notimetocare wrote: »OK.
Between ESO and Arena there are almost 700 years of difference and a Talos in middle.
During ESO events, Necros were the bad guys. It doesn't matter if 1000 years before or 1000 yeasr after there are "good" necros. In the second era they were all of them following Mannimarco. If you are a necro, then, how would you oppose to mannimarco AND Molag Bal? Even f both of them promse you victory... that sole concept has no point.
Now somethging for yu to consider: Telvanni... why didn't they join the Pact? Among several reasons, there was a ban on necromancy during that time. The only instance I remember a "good" NPC using necromancy it's Aelif and she wans't good, right?
Alot wrong here.
-Dunmer ancestor worship is a form of Necromancy.
-Necromancy is not currently banned in any sense. It is very taboo to the Redguards (likely the only that would ban it). Most races, as a majority, oppose the practice for the same reason we in our world oppose defiling graves.
-Not all necromancers are in service to Mannimarco or the worm cult.
During the Planemeld? Name only one good Necro.
Don't you think the link between Mannimarco and Molag Bal goes beyond Manny's ambition of becoming a new god of schemes? Theres' something Molag Bal gave Manny in exchange... maybe control over all necros?
As I said before, It doesn't matter Necros in the past or the future, is during the events of the Planemeld and that shows there's no good necro.
Regarding Dunmer ancestor woship... maybe you should try some other TES games. Though they use necromancy in the form of spells, there are NO necromancers in dunmer culture. The class doesn't exist and the closest classes to necromancy are the ones who have Conjuration as a major skill: Battlemage, Sorc and Witchhunter (Mage in Oblivion). None of the is near the archetype of a Necro
Instead of Necro, I prefer a Battlemage that uses magicka with stam weapon skills or stam with magicka weapon skills.
Rupz_Koomar wrote: »True Necros are not all bad.
Mannimarco does not represent all of US.
Ps: no new class plz ;_:
Mannimarco IS your god.
Sorry, but even as I like a lot necromancy in TES, here has no part.
On the contrary, Vamps are accepted because it is a way different kind of Vamp. Haven't you ask yourself why vamps cannot die under the sun? Why do Meredia accept the help of a possible vamp?
That's because ESO vamps are no vamps, are just bloodfiends without a soul (so they can't fo feral)
I don't think that in itself is the problem that some are seeing - it's more the way the story has been written, and how strange it will be to play through the anti-necromancer storylines as a necromancer when the dialogue does not take that into account. Kinda like playing through werewolf- or vampire-related quests as a werewolf or vampire where dialogue assumes you aren't one.Anyone who thinks that necromancy is lore breaking in an elder scrolls game is not really a true fan of tes. The lore is littered with necromancer events. Obviously.
Being able to play a "bad guy" as some seem to put it, is one of the fun choices players have made for years in tes games.
Nobody wants to play the virtuous noble knight every character. That is what makes tes games so good, you play as you want to play and have a lot of fun role playing.
I don't think that in itself is the problem that some are seeing - it's more the way the story has been written, and how strange it will be to play through the anti-necromancer storylines as a necromancer when the dialogue does not take that into account. Kinda like playing through werewolf- or vampire-related quests as a werewolf or vampire where dialogue assumes you aren't one.Anyone who thinks that necromancy is lore breaking in an elder scrolls game is not really a true fan of tes. The lore is littered with necromancer events. Obviously.
Being able to play a "bad guy" as some seem to put it, is one of the fun choices players have made for years in tes games.
Nobody wants to play the virtuous noble knight every character. That is what makes tes games so good, you play as you want to play and have a lot of fun role playing.
I’m probably the minority of this, but I would’ve loved that to be a thing in the gameThis isn't SWTOR, you don't get to play the Dadric side. You're not Molg Bal's minion so get used to it.
Unfortunately the game just wasn't made that way.
Personally I think it would have been a blast. But you know... things
Considering how the game WAS made necromancers make no sense to me at all. I'm mean, they're the bad guys right? Yes, the line is definitely blurry around the edges. But, it is very clear who the enemy is.
Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »I’m probably the minority of this, but I would’ve loved that to be a thing in the gameThis isn't SWTOR, you don't get to play the Dadric side. You're not Molg Bal's minion so get used to it.
Unfortunately the game just wasn't made that way.
Personally I think it would have been a blast. But you know... things
Considering how the game WAS made necromancers make no sense to me at all. I'm mean, they're the bad guys right? Yes, the line is definitely blurry around the edges. But, it is very clear who the enemy is.