PetSorc Set Testing PTS v.4.3.1 (Siroria vs Necropotence vs Spell Strategist vs Julianos)

WuffyCerulei · February 2019

With the new thing of how pets will be adopting more of your own buffs and whatnot, I decided to get how much dps different sets would do. However, instead of doing just Siroria's vs Necropotence, I threw on Spell Strategist and Julianos to see how those would compare as well. I did not test Burning Spellweave or Scathing Mage for 2 reasons: I do not do enough flame damage to proc BSW enough, and I do too much damage over time to proc Scathing.

I would like to note that all the testing is done solo, with me giving myself ele drain. No healer buffing me, giving me orbs, or ele draining for me.

Build:
Race: Khajiit
Mundus: Thief
Food (used in parsing): ghasty eyebowl (max magicka and magicka recovery)
Vampire?: Yes, stage 4

Blue Champion Points:
Mage:
56 Elfborn
56 Elemental Expert
36 Spell Erosion
Atronach:
66 Master-at-Arms
Ritual:
56 Thaumaturge

Gear: Large pieces are infused and small pieces are divines. All gear except jewels is gold and has gold cp160 magicka glyphs.
2 Valkyn Skoria (1 heavy 1 medium)
5 Netch (3 purple arcane jewels with spell damage glyphs and 1 lightning infused staff for front bar with gold shock glyph)
1 vMA infused lightning staff with Absorb Magicka enchant for backbar
5 Siroria's/Necropotence/Julianos/Spell Strategist

I chose Netch and Skoria as the unchanging sets because 1) Netch buffs my general shock damage and 2) Skoria provides rather consistant damage on a DoT build like this and isn’t parse cheese like Zaan.

Front Bar:
Daedric Curse, Power Surge (extra spell damage for being slotted and for extra self heals in trials), Bound Aegis, Unstable Familiar, Twilight Matriarch, Greater Storm Atornach

Back Bar:
Liquid Lightning, Lightning Blockade, Twilight Matriarch, Unstable Familiar, Elemental Drain, Thunderous Rage (Destro Ulti)

Please note that with Wrathstone, you will no longer have to slot a destro ability in order to get the damage bonus, only equip a staff.

Rotation: (LA is light attack and HA is heavy attack)
Thunderous Rage->LA->Liquid Lightning->LA->Blockade->Barswap->Familiar Pulse->Daedric Prey->2 HAs->Barswap->Repeat from Liquid Lightning and drop Atronach when available

Here's the different parses for each set (Siroria's/Necropotence/Spell Strategist/Julianos), while the other sets remain constant through all parses:

Siroria's (non-perfected):

Necropotence: (The parse is 36,624 dps. The atro accidentally hit an ulti-building dummy.)

Spell Strategist:

Julianos:

So it does seem that Siroria's reigns supreme next patch, but it is only roughly 800 more dps than Necropotence. Necropotence would be best for more mobile fights, as the buff is constant. But for fights where you can let the things stack, Siroria's is better. Spell Strategist is the same as Necro and Julianos, but you'd have to be pretty decent at light attack weaving to get the bonus. That set is best off for non-pet sorcs.

daedemrwb17_ESO · February 2019

Why are you running power surge?

SaintSubwayy · February 2019

so did I get that right...you used Neatch 5pcs on all setups?

Im not a Sorc mian..but wouldnt Necro 5pcs+ siroria (maybe MS) be stronger overall, than the specific 400 SD on shock dmg from Netch (which doesnt effect volatile, nor cuse)

WuffyCerulei · February 2019

daedemrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Why are you running power surge?

For the extra spell damage on my front bar, and it'd be what's on my bar for trials because self heals. I didn't want too much fluctuation on my max magicka between bars.

WuffyCerulei · February 2019

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

so did I get that right...you used Neatch 5pcs on all setups?

Im not a Sorc mian..but wouldnt Necro 5pcs+ siroria (maybe MS) be stronger overall, than the specific 400 SD on shock dmg from Netch (which doesnt effect volatile, nor cuse)

I wanted to use a set that’ll buff most of my damage, and the point of this post is to compare the damage between Siroria’s, Necropotence, and the other sets.

Caff32 · February 2019

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

so did I get that right...you used Neatch 5pcs on all setups?

Im not a Sorc mian..but wouldnt Necro 5pcs+ siroria (maybe MS) be stronger overall, than the specific 400 SD on shock dmg from Netch (which doesnt effect volatile, nor cuse)

I wanted to use a set that’ll buff most of my damage, and the point of this post is to compare the damage between Siroria’s, Necropotence, and the other sets.

Yeah but the point Subway is making is that you don’t need to know the difference between them when you’d pick two of them and leave Netch at home.

SaintSubwayy · February 2019

Caff32 wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

so did I get that right...you used Neatch 5pcs on all setups?

Im not a Sorc mian..but wouldnt Necro 5pcs+ siroria (maybe MS) be stronger overall, than the specific 400 SD on shock dmg from Netch (which doesnt effect volatile, nor cuse)

I wanted to use a set that’ll buff most of my damage, and the point of this post is to compare the damage between Siroria’s, Necropotence, and the other sets.

Yeah but the point Subway is making is that you don’t need to know the difference between them when you’d pick two of them and leave Netch at home.

jeah, kinda nonsense to test that tbh.

then you could just have slotted 5 pcs of each set, and compared them to each other, and dont wear a 2nd set at all

Witar · February 2019

Wouldn't mothers sorrow+necro be better? Since pets are not scaled off spell damage, but do scale from max magicka and spell crit?

Moloch1514 · February 2019

Mother's Sorrow+Necro+Maw of Infernal (2 Bloodthirsty) gets me over 40K and I'm not that great at animation cancelling (and dont have vMA staff).

SaintSubwayy · February 2019

Moloch1514 wrote: »

Mother's Sorrow+Necro+Maw of Infernal (2 Bloodthirsty) gets me over 40K and I'm not that great at animation cancelling (and dont have vMA staff).

well tbh for a HA petsorc you dont need much weaving or cancelling skills.
Lightning heavys deal their highest dmg at the end of the "Channel", so cancelling a HA on lightningstaff ennd up in lost dmg

the missing vMA staff hurts quite a bit tbh, but if you ware willing to put some effort in and try vMA, im sure you will beat it.
Petsorc is considered to be one of the easiest vMA Classes

codestripper · February 2019

@WuffyCerulei May I direct your attention here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/455698/feels-stuck-pts-parsing-w-lots-of-information-send-help#latest

you might find it interesting. Also Necropotence is broken rn. Not worth doing any parsing until next pts patch unfortunately.

The_Yellow_King · February 2019

Does anyone have info on how necropotence will impact necromancers yet? I'm interested in a necro but not a pet sorc. I am just curious of how the "non permanent" necro pets will benefit, if at all, from necropotence. I'm lurking in the pet sorc threads teying to get ready for the necro. Is that pointless?

Dracane · February 2019

The_Yellow_King wrote: »

Does anyone have info on how necropotence will impact necromancers yet? I'm interested in a necro but not a pet sorc. I am just curious of how the "non permanent" necro pets will benefit, if at all, from necropotence. I'm lurking in the pet sorc threads teying to get ready for the necro. Is that pointless?

Necromancer will surely be affected by Necropotence when his summons and his bone dragon are up. They are short lived, but you can recast them all the time. So Necropotence definately is an option.

Deloth_Vyrr · February 2019

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

well tbh for a HA petsorc you dont need much weaving or cancelling skills.
Lightning heavys deal their highest dmg at the end of the "Channel", so cancelling a HA on lightningstaff ennd up in lost dmg

Light Attack weaving is just as important to a HA Petsorc. You should be light attacking every single skill activation. Also, you don't "cancel" the last tick of heavy attack, you cancel the animation after skills fire to shorten your downtime to the next skill.

Oh and Netch is poop .

Here is a 6m solo parse from PTS:

Self-buffed, blue food, 5pc Necro, 5pc Mother's Sorrow, Zaan's, vMA backbar.

Necro is apparently bugged right now and not providing its full potential, but it still carries its weight in a big way since Light Attack damage also scales heavily with max magicka (Light Attack contributes the most damage of my entire rotation). Mother's Sorrow is also extremely powerful because it gives both Max Magicka and insane amounts of crit, and Pets adopt your Crit% and Crit Damage. Noth of these sets, unlike a spell damage set, buffs both pet and non-pet damage.

Perfected Siroria + MS might have a chance at outperforming Necro+MS (I need to test on PTS as I don't have my perfected set complete on Live yet), but regular Siroria parses lower for me.

themaddaedra · February 2019

1. Trying Spell Strategist on a heavy attack build makes like zero sense.
2. If you put Inner Light on your mainbar instead of surge it'd give you better damage buff and also more magicka.
3. Calling Zaan a dummy cheese is bias at best. Especially when you are running a 10/10 dummy cheese food. Zaan is way more valid than Ghasty Eyebowl.
4. You have lightning backbar, thus offbalance but you don't have 75 points in thaumaturge. Pet build has very little direct damage to put 66 points on MAA anyway. CP is non-optimized in many ways.
5. On a build with 2 heavy attacks you definitely don't need minor magickasteal, so instead of drain you should have used the other morph which reapplies the major breach everytime you deal damage. So that you wouldn't have to reapply it and have a cleaner rotation.
6. Again on a rotation with 2 heavy attacks you definitely don't need absorb magicka glyph. Optimum setup (for dummy testing) would be shock damage backbar and spell damage frontbar.

I probably could have added a few more but that's basically the juice of it. That's some effort in there which is appreciated but data is pretty invalid.

usmcjdking · February 2019

themaddaedra wrote: »

1. Trying Spell Strategist on a heavy attack build makes like zero sense.
2. If you put Inner Light on your mainbar instead of surge it'd give you better damage buff and also more magicka.
3. Calling Zaan a dummy cheese is bias at best. Especially when you are running a 10/10 dummy cheese food. Zaan is way more valid than Ghasty Eyebowl.
4. You have lightning backbar, thus offbalance but you don't have 75 points in thaumaturge. Pet build has very little direct damage to put 66 points on MAA anyway. CP is non-optimized in many ways.
5. On a build with 2 heavy attacks you definitely don't need minor magickasteal, so instead of drain you should have used the other morph which reapplies the major breach everytime you deal damage. So that you wouldn't have to reapply it and have a cleaner rotation.
6. Again on a rotation with 2 heavy attacks you definitely don't need absorb magicka glyph. Optimum setup (for dummy testing) would be shock damage backbar and spell damage frontbar.

I probably could have added a few more but that's basically the juice of it. That's some effort in there which is appreciated but data is pretty invalid.

He's comparing sets, not going for highest parse. Performance is important, I'll gladly agree with that, but consistency is far more important in testing and this appears fairly consistent to me.

themaddaedra · February 2019

usmcjdking wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

1. Trying Spell Strategist on a heavy attack build makes like zero sense.
2. If you put Inner Light on your mainbar instead of surge it'd give you better damage buff and also more magicka.
3. Calling Zaan a dummy cheese is bias at best. Especially when you are running a 10/10 dummy cheese food. Zaan is way more valid than Ghasty Eyebowl.
4. You have lightning backbar, thus offbalance but you don't have 75 points in thaumaturge. Pet build has very little direct damage to put 66 points on MAA anyway. CP is non-optimized in many ways.
5. On a build with 2 heavy attacks you definitely don't need minor magickasteal, so instead of drain you should have used the other morph which reapplies the major breach everytime you deal damage. So that you wouldn't have to reapply it and have a cleaner rotation.
6. Again on a rotation with 2 heavy attacks you definitely don't need absorb magicka glyph. Optimum setup (for dummy testing) would be shock damage backbar and spell damage frontbar.

I probably could have added a few more but that's basically the juice of it. That's some effort in there which is appreciated but data is pretty invalid.

He's comparing sets, not going for highest parse. Performance is important, I'll gladly agree with that, but consistency is far more important in testing and this appears fairly consistent to me.

What makes you think you don't need optimization when comparing sets? This data is just invalid in many ways.

Apherius · February 2019

Gonna make some tests too, I played an HA pet sorc build from Morrowind to dragonborn update and it worked pretty well.

eso_nya · February 2019

lol.

so we have a crafted set from 2015 vs a trialset from 2018 and the dps difference is within the one digit percentages. siroria was the "highly impracticle in a real fight" one where u cant move out of the buffcircle right?

The mean and actual crit seems a bit off.

Nice data, thanks for sharing!