Anyron wrote: »

You think only stamsorcs are mad because of nerfs?
You think you are alone?
This nerf-cancer is everywhere, every class is affected.
Get over it, like rest of us, and stop whining

So obviously you have no clue what you're talking about since other than the 3rd bar change, we've never been nerfed nor buffed. We just exist as something. Next time pay attention before spouting random nonsense k tks.

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Stam sorcerer are good in PVP any further buff will make them OP as stam warden

First off, StamWardens, StamBlades, and even StamDKs are better, hands down.

But that is not the point: Did our Overload bar increase our DPS in any meaningful way? For the most people, clearly not. Still, people are missing it. On the other hand, Amplitude is a buff (for PvE), and many don´t like it. People are not crying for buffs, but for flexible and interesting ways to play the class. In this regard, the class has changed for the worse in the last 10 months.


THIS was PvP my group setup in PvP 10 months ago.



The old StamSorc could cope with many situations. Now we´re just a one-trick pony, and even that one trick (blood craze + bleeds, then streak away) took a heavy hit. They even took our symbiotic relationship with Steel tornado away (Wardens, DKs, and StamBlades are now better at it), instead of nerfing Steel Tornado directly.

And it´s not only PvP: Every PvE StamSorc tank will tell the same tale; without our third bar, we can´t bring the group utility a DK or a Warden can.



And, the funny thing is: It's not even new: In every Class Rep feedback, everything we talk about is being mentionned. The consequence: They take even more stuff from us; therefore, there is the general perception that the Devs either neglect us, or are even biased against us.

Moonsorrow wrote: »

Yep, we (i atleast not) are not asking any huge buffs, but to have an identity and fun & meaningless skills and build options.

I mean, compare to stamden, one can do so much with it and it can do all things now as well or better than stamsorc.

I mean couple more class skills having a stam morph would not make us "op", but to be able to have more options. I`d like same feeling when doing a setup on stamsorc than when doing stamden, that it has fun and cool class skills on bars and be efficient.

Right now people only notice possibly that there is a stamsorc from seeing a hurricane, other than that.. nope. One can see a stamden miles away with all the flashy skills, dropping enemies left and right with shalks and stuff.

Currently i feel way more fun and options on a magsorc than stamsorc on solo/smallscale. If wanna go stam, way more efficient on stamblade or stamden. So right now many old stamsorcs have switched to those. One can see it in Cyrodiil open world.

I think you really hit the nail on the head here. Just give us build options. Allow us to make meaningful choices.

On my Stamden I have to make choices because I actually have enough good abilities and passive synergy to allow that. Green Lotus or Leeching Vines to proc Major Mending. Shimmering Shield,Bird of Prey or Quick cloak(damage or survival). Soothing Spores(Burst heal). Cutting Dive or Rending(Increased overall damage or dot pressure.)

Do I use my Dawnbreaker or my Permafrost. Should I run permafrost or trees and have an emergency heal? I have to make decisions based on my play style and the situations I am facing. On StamSorc I don't have to do this because there are no options, no passives to synergize. We don't want to be the same as other classes just an identity/role of our own.

The devs are constantly making changes to other classes/abilities to give them unique roles so raids(PvE) will take them. Minor toughness was removed from War Horn and given exclusively to Wardens. This was to force Raid leaders to either forgo the buff or start taking Wardens.

It really bugs me that nothing has ever been addressed in regards to our class/role. Acknowledge the class. Tell us what we are supposed to be. Give us the tools. Because every time we find a niche it's passively nerfed or taken away. If our identity is really just a weapon skill warrior class thats fine and we can set proper expectations.