Stam Sorc Roll Call

Nicalas

The upcoming changes nerf our class even more. This post sums it up nicely:https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/455708/indirect-stam-sorc-nerfs#latest

Please select if you play Stamina Sorcerer in PvE or PvP. Let's show our numbers as a class. This isn't a debate but about awareness for a class that's desperately in need or attention. Let's keep it clean and respectful.

Thraben

I don´t understand the poll, but I support every attempt to create awareness of our class' issues.

BaylorCorvette

Stamina Sorcerer PvP

I pretty much only do PvP in ESO (with some PvE thrown in every now and then) and I have been doing it on my StamSorc for the past two years now. Fantastic class and honestly as it sits on live it is pretty good. It just needs some slight tweaks, having more than 50% of the class passives apply to a STAM Sorc would be a great starting spot. The next spot I would look would be class buffs/debuffs a Sorc/Stam Sorc can have access to in its tool kit because compared to other classes it is lagging behind in a big way. I'd like to see Bound Armaments changed to provide Major Fracture on your next light attack or maybe Minor Berserk or SOMETHING useful.

Morgul667

Stamina Sorcerer PvP

Anything usefull would be appreciated at this point

Edziu

maybe I dont play stam sorc...but I see and I understand and feel how stamsorc is getting nerfed more than should and mainly by indirect changes to him

implosion is good change jsut for balance between clasess...but more nerf via just dual wield changes are making stam sorc even worse and cost reduction to hurricane is barely noticable buff to him

there should be some buffs like maybe stam class morphs to deal better damage for stamsorc especially on pve (on pvp also as now missing implosion proc which was sick at all and without it now stamsorc need more love to be in good playable state)

Aedrion

Stamina Sorcerer PvP

Played it for a long while, saw it decline over time. Switched to magsorc just before maintenance. Stamsorc isn't fun anymore, everything it does is done better on warden.

Typical_T_ReX

PvP/PvE

Even if there's only one person who plays stam sorc, they deserve more attention than this class is currently getting. We're the afterthought of the magicka sorcerer it seems. Forgotten and neglected, please send help.

VaranisArano

Stamina Sorcerer PvE

Stam Sorc in PVE, but I've been playing a Breton Stam Sorc since before One Tamriel, so I'd take my own opinions about class progression with a large grain of salt.

barshemm

Stamina Sorcerer PvP

Typical_T_ReX wrote: »

Even if there's only one person who plays stam sorc, they deserve more attention than this class is currently getting. We're the afterthought of the magicka sorcerer it seems. Forgotten and neglected, please send help.

My other main is a magblade, I get this x2

Holycannoli

PvP/PvE

Imperial stam sorc here. FML.

Mettaricana

Stamina Sorcerer PvE

I can get my stats higher than any other class i play but the lack of class specific skills and trapped in wep line spams really eats the flavor of the class... zos needs to either give us the never used mag morphs turned stam or introduce 3rd tier morphs that give more flavor

GrumpyDuckling

I'll sign if it means Air Atronach ultimate and stamina morphs for pets...

Moonsorrow

PvP/PvE

Holycannoli wrote: »

Imperial stam sorc here.

Got same combo.

TBois

Stamina Sorcerer PvP

Been pvping as stam sorc since the change to take away soft caps (patch 1.5 I believe). We aren't in the worst place we have been as a class, but we definitely lack identity and could use some small buffs.

Streak and crit surge were what stam sorcs built around at first, but with the nerfs to both skills they don't seem as beneficial to stam sorc as they used to be. Dark deal, bound armor, and overload 3rd bar were then used to build around, but, with the change to dark deal and the removal of the 3rd bar, these became more difficult to use as a staple in a build. Many stam sorcs now choosing weapon skills over class skills that have similar functions, like using rally/forward momentum over crit surge.

These were mostly indirect nerfs, meaning they were changed due to how other sorcs performed (not stam sorcs), with the only direct nerfs being to crit surge and dark deal. While I do see some of these changes as healthy for the game, ZOS definitely needs to consider the current state of stam sorc, especially since they are receiving a direct change (unsure if i feel this is a nerf or buff) with implosion and indirect dual wield nerfs with this next patch.

Holycannoli

PvP/PvE

TBois wrote: »

ZOS definitely needs to consider the current state of stam sorc, especially since they are receiving a direct change (unsure if i feel this is a nerf or buff) with implosion and indirect dual wield nerfs with this next patch.

I'm thinking implosion change might be a buff overall, with how infrequently it procs and how it will now give a constant damage increase but I'm torn too. Stealth + Snipe might benefit the most from it so it might be better for PvP but worse for PvE.

kojou

Stam sorc is one of my 15 characters...

Biggest issue with it IMO is sustain, but I actually like it as a class in general. It could also use a burst mechanic outside of 2H.

I would assume that a lot of people are like me and go to the class that does the most damage with the least sustain issues. Stam Sorc is not on that list currently, but it's self healing is really strong.

My assumption would be to get more sustain it would have to lose some self healing to balance it out.

BuddyAces

Outside of it's easy ability to solo stuff (in pve) there's nothing any other class can do better/bring more to the table than us. Only reason to play a stam sorc is if you just like the class. Play a Warden instead, its utility base is amazing.

I'm not great at pvp but every class is better. A bow/bow magicka nord DK is probably better than us. I guess we pull NBs out of stealth a little better than anyone else. Zergy ball group in BGs is where they can shine but a Warden is seriously better there too. Again, you're only playing stam sorc cuz you like the looks of the class.

You can look on the bright side though. Since we are the red headed step children of ZOS, they ignore us. Minus a 3rd bar nerf, they never ever nerf stam sorcs directly. We get 'passively' buffed every patch due to mechanic changes (but never making us better than anyone else). We just exist, a memory of something that ZOS wishes it could go back and erase so they wouldn't even have to think about us. For now they just ignore us. Since there's like 8 of us left in this game we're scared to say anything for fear of an actual straight up nerf.

TBois

Stamina Sorcerer PvP

BuddyAces wrote: »

Since there's like 8 of us left in this game we're scared to say anything for fear of an actual straight up nerf.

I would say we are more exhausted than scared of providing feedback. There have been some major pushes with extremely lengthy threads about stam sorc, but they seemed to fall on deaf ears.

BuddyAces

TBois wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

Since there's like 8 of us left in this game we're scared to say anything for fear of an actual straight up nerf.

I would say we are more exhausted than scared of providing feedback. There have been some major pushes with extremely lengthy threads about stam sorc, but they seemed to fall on deaf ears.

Seem? SEEM? lol they are falling on deaf ears. They have literally done not one single thing to our class in, well, forever?? We get passively buffed when they fiddle with mechanics or add gear sets but they don't do crap for us. Unless they totally reworked the skill lines there is not much they can do. We rely so much on weapon skills that buffing them outright will tip the balance massively. We need an overhaul of the entire sorc skill lines for the stam variants.

zaria

Stamina Sorcerer PvE

BuddyAces wrote: »

Outside of it's easy ability to solo stuff (in pve) there's nothing any other class can do better/bring more to the table than us. Only reason to play a stam sorc is if you just like the class. Play a Warden instead, its utility base is amazing.

I'm not great at pvp but every class is better. A bow/bow magicka nord DK is probably better than us. I guess we pull NBs out of stealth a little better than anyone else. Zergy ball group in BGs is where they can shine but a Warden is seriously better there too. Again, you're only playing stam sorc cuz you like the looks of the class.

You can look on the bright side though. Since we are the red headed step children of ZOS, they ignore us. Minus a 3rd bar nerf, they never ever nerf stam sorcs directly. We get 'passively' buffed every patch due to mechanic changes (but never making us better than anyone else). We just exist, a memory of something that ZOS wishes it could go back and erase so they wouldn't even have to think about us. For now they just ignore us. Since there's like 8 of us left in this game we're scared to say anything for fear of an actual straight up nerf.

Changed my Khajiit magsorc since preorder to stamina after murkmire.
Shield nerf and loss of overload bar made it no fun anymore. Perfect dungeon healer, (understand NB is good here to)
360 degree emergency heal, high dps for an healer, overload gave ton of utility.
Shield so you could res the tank in an vet dlc, yes was in an guild group with an tank who should do an race and name change, Argonian named "Dies in delves"
Made the racial changes pretty bittersweet. Has an stamplar Khajiit and an Bosmer magblade who have to switch roles
Doing dailies for 5 weeks with double xp and an 150% scroll probably works well.

MashmalloMan

PvP/PvE

Pretty good turn out.

I'm fine with dps, I just want more flexibility, versatility and synergy for the class. I want options. I want streak to feel powerful to use and less costly to stack. I want dark deal to be less of a crutch for pvp sustain.

I want an active class ability. DoT, Spammable, Execute, AoE, anything that can mix up the way people choose their abilities.

I want to provide something to the group, can't even reliably give out minor prophecy to group mates because nothing in the dark magic tree besides dark deal is even remotely useful.

We're a selfish class. 1 that lacks vision and has been forgotten about, the passives are strong, but there is simple changes that could provide a whole lot more to the class to make them more interesting to play without buffing them dps wise.

Stam isn't the only problem, healers and tanks are behind too. Widely due to bar space. Tank requires 2 slots for 8% max hp and 35% tank heal and healers require 2 slots for their "breath of life".

5/6 of the ultimates are magicka dmg based. What does healer/tank/stam DD get?

Every new update I'm hopeful for something interesting, yet every patch it's a numbers game. Implosion while RNG based and argueably worse than Amplitude, was an interesting mechanic to say the least. Amplitude is another number passive in the vast number based passives we have further cementing the walking weapon skill line class people mock us of. I always thought a burning light esque passive would of been more interesting.

Why is clanfear so close to being a stam scaling skill with cp scaling on the physical dmg, yet costs magicka therefore scales the tooltip on max magicka making it extremely weak for mag dd and sta dd at the same time, it's a tank heal ability that requires 2 slots to use, I understand it's not for dps, but even that feels like a stupid mechanic and a waste of a morph. At least providing proper scaling on the tool tip could give a bow/bow stam sorc something useful to use at range.

Every other class has at least 1 ability they can use at range. A bow/bow stam sorc is extremely powerful at just using snipe spamming to the point where it is brain dead to play, but does more dps than my DW melee range stam sorc on pts. That's sad. I'm dissapointed in how easy it is. Why should a bow build spamming 1 ability do more dps when they can fight completely from range. It's not what I wanted despite being happy that bow/bow builds are finally viable after so long.. They could easily be more interesting with a clanfear by their side.

Funny to see "pets" for Necromancer with the same idea I've been asking for years on sorcs. Change pets to be duration based instant cast abilities instead of the permanent double slotting nature they currently have. It would prevent towns from being over-run by these annoying permanent pets blocking npcs and make pet sorcs more interesting to play, yet less punishing if their pets die due to that annoying cast time.

Enough said about overload... You will be missed.

JobooAGS

PvP/PvE

Gonna make another stam sorc for pve, try out a new build

SodanTok

Stamina Sorcerer PvE

I main stamsorc in pve for 2 years and to this day I am confused about the class.
Our class has pets, but we dont (ignoring shock damage dealing atro).
Our class has shield, but we dont.
Our class has execute, but we dont.
Our class has skill with group synergy, but we dont.
Our class has actually a lot of stuff to deal damage with, but somehow we dont?

And then there are other classes?
Like somehow we dont have own Major Fracture or Berserker, but we arent getting something else instead
Somehow we have less sustain, but we arent getting something else instead.
And somehow our class buff (minor prophecy) is not useful for us, but also is not even available to give to others.

Vapirko

PvP/PvE

Not nearly as much as I used to. Stam Sorc is but a shadow of its former self. It needs a full on rework. At least a couple more passives need to apply to stamina, the sorc execute needs a Stam version and there need to be some class dot or spammable. Also bar space is way too crowded most skills are very one dimensional and don’t synergize well with passives. DKs get snares on their skills, have minor brutality and major mending, major fracture and most people consider Stam DKs to be bad. Stam sorcs don’t have any buffs or debuffs aside from ward/resolve which is just a given. The bound armor change for stamina was absolutely terribe. And removing the overload bar. What a joke.

Burtan

PvP/PvE

My biggest problem with stamsorc is lack of passives and abilities, it feels more like a playable weapon skill line as some others have pointed out. Either a more useful bound armor or stamina curse would be a great improvement since stamsorcs only real access to the deadric protection passive is through bound armor which is pretty useless. Stam curse would give stamsorc a better identity and make the damage a little more on par with other stam specs as well as giving access to deadric protection, Though sadly I expect magsorc only players would strongly protest any changes to sorcerer dps skills.

validifyedneb18_ESO

Stamina Sorcerer PvP

The class used to have a bunch of useful passives I swear, last time I played one.
Rolled a stamsorc on the PTS and aside from the 2% wep damage per skill slotted, I felt like I got more benefit from my damn racial passives as a dunmer than from being a sorcerer.

Anyron

You think only stamsorcs are mad because of nerfs?
You think you are alone?
This nerf-cancer is everywhere, every class is affected.
Get over it, like rest of us, and stop whining

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx

SodanTok wrote: »

I main stamsorc in pve for 2 years and to this day I am confused about the class.
Our class has pets, but we dont (ignoring shock damage dealing atro).
Our class has shield, but we dont.
Our class has execute, but we dont.
Our class has skill with group synergy, but we dont.
Our class has actually a lot of stuff to deal damage with, but somehow we dont?

And then there are other classes?
Like somehow we dont have own Major Fracture or Berserker, but we arent getting something else instead
Somehow we have less sustain, but we arent getting something else instead.
And somehow our class buff (minor prophecy) is not useful for us, but also is not even available to give to others.

First off, to address your first paragraph of "Our class...", welcome to Stamina builds, where we're usually gimped on everything, so:
Stamina builds don't have/use pets, except MAYBE NB Shadow Imagine or warden's Netch if you want be technical.
Stamina builds don't use shields (I prefer to say Wards to differentiate damage shields from 1h/s) unless you use a trash set like Hatchling's Shell.
Stamina Templar doesn't have access to a Stamina version of Radiant Oppression. DK and Warden don't have a class execute, That's why Executioner on 2h exists.
It sort of depends on the class, but Stamina isn't the most forthcoming with Synergizing with others.
Because lore, that's why.

Second, that's because Sorcerer isn't intended to be Stamina build oriented/friendly. When you ask ANYONE what they think when you say the word "Sorcerer" they will tell you that it's a SPELL caster in robes, slinging spells and stuff all over the place. The ESO class is basically all Lightning themed with one or two Physical parts thrown in. You're lucky you got ANYTHING Stam related on Sorc because Stamina on any class fells kind of like an after thought but ESPECIALLY on Sorc (though I'm sure StamDK might like to have some words with you).


Stamsorc is basically a Spellsword in a sense. This description comes from the Elder Scrolls Wiki:
"Spellswords are great students of combat and magic. Serving as warrior-mages, they dedicate their lives to learning both the art of war and the ethereal ways of power. Spellswords are adept at all types of weapons and armor utilization, and are extremely versatile in combat situations."

The Devs like to keep things Lore friendly. "Call down a bolt of Lighting to execute your foes, dealing x shock damage". Okay, yeah makes sense. What DOESN'T make sense is "Call down a bolt of Lighting to execute your foes, dealing x physical damage".

Playing for two years? So you started in 2016-2017? You would flip out if you knew what "stam" sorc was like before you started playing: They didn't have any Stamina class abilities. Watch some of Feng Rush's old videos, like Imperial City days lmao.
So either you are woefully ignorant of how other class abilities/morphs work/haven't played any other class before or you refuse to accept that not every class is accommodating to your play style (Sorc should have a Lightning-Physical duality execute!)

I'm sorry if I came across as rude or insulting which wasn't my intention at all, but as someone who's played since 2015, this comment hurt my head. If you don't like that you don't have access to all the cool class stuff and such, either accept it and press on like every Stam main has done or move on over to Magicka. Does it sucks? Yeah. Does it make sense that Stamsorc shouldn't really be that much of a thing? In my opinion, yes!

HOWEVER, I do agree that Sorcerer should have some form of a rework. The passives are a mess and the whole "Summoner" part is too prominent in my opinion as well as Stamsorc getting gimped. If the theme went from Lighting to something like Elementalist, Physical could fit in a lot more easily.

I can't complain about not having access to a lot of things from my class because I'm a Stamblade main and NB is probably the most giving to Stam builds but that doesn't mean I can't emphasize with your issues at all, I get it.

Hopefully this comment is useful to other people besides Sodan, especially those that are new to the game and are playing Stamsorc. Veteran players like me know what we're getting into when playing other classes.

validifyedneb18_ESO

Stamina Sorcerer PvP

Anyron wrote: »

You think only stamsorcs are mad because of nerfs?
You think you are alone?
This nerf-cancer is everywhere, every class is affected.
Get over it, like rest of us, and stop whining

It's less about the nerfs, and more the complete removal of class identity or passives for the stamina players.

Svidrir

Stamina Sorcerer PvP

Need more morphs, group buff, Air atro, a spammable

Need survive differently than with the Hit and Run

Moonsorrow

PvP/PvE

Marshall1289 wrote: »

Pretty good turn out.

I'm fine with dps, I just want more flexibility, versatility and synergy for the class. I want options. I want streak to feel powerful to use and less costly to stack. I want dark deal to be less of a crutch for pvp sustain.

I want an active class ability. DoT, Spammable, Execute, AoE, anything that can mix up the way people choose their abilities.

I want to provide something to the group, can't even reliably give out minor prophecy to group mates because nothing in the dark magic tree besides dark deal is even remotely useful.

We're a selfish class. 1 that lacks vision and has been forgotten about, the passives are strong, but there is simple changes that could provide a whole lot more to the class to make them more interesting to play without buffing them dps wise.

Stam isn't the only problem, healers and tanks are behind too. Widely due to bar space. Tank requires 2 slots for 8% max hp and 35% tank heal and healers require 2 slots for their "breath of life".

5/6 of the ultimates are magicka dmg based. What does healer/tank/stam DD get?

Every new update I'm hopeful for something interesting, yet every patch it's a numbers game. Implosion while RNG based and argueably worse than Amplitude, was an interesting mechanic to say the least. Amplitude is another number passive in the vast number based passives we have further cementing the walking weapon skill line class people mock us of. I always thought a burning light esque passive would of been more interesting.

Why is clanfear so close to being a stam scaling skill with cp scaling on the physical dmg, yet costs magicka therefore scales the tooltip on max magicka making it extremely weak for mag dd and sta dd at the same time, it's a tank heal ability that requires 2 slots to use, I understand it's not for dps, but even that feels like a stupid mechanic and a waste of a morph. At least providing proper scaling on the tool tip could give a bow/bow stam sorc something useful to use at range.

Every other class has at least 1 ability they can use at range. A bow/bow stam sorc is extremely powerful at just using snipe spamming to the point where it is brain dead to play, but does more dps than my DW melee range stam sorc on pts. That's sad. I'm dissapointed in how easy it is. Why should a bow build spamming 1 ability do more dps when they can fight completely from range. It's not what I wanted despite being happy that bow/bow builds are finally viable after so long.. They could easily be more interesting with a clanfear by their side.

Funny to see "pets" for Necromancer with the same idea I've been asking for years on sorcs. Change pets to be duration based instant cast abilities instead of the permanent double slotting nature they currently have. It would prevent towns from being over-run by these annoying permanent pets blocking npcs and make pet sorcs more interesting to play, yet less punishing if their pets die due to that annoying cast time.

Enough said about overload... You will be missed.

Well spoken.

Could have written all of that myself since have all the same feelings as you about the class and its current situation. Stam sorc is as close to my "main" as can be, playing all classes pretty equally but it has a special place in my heart.

It actually might be the fact that why it is so special, since when do really good with it, it feels like accomplished something.. because it lacks the special tricks from other classes and one really just is a walking weapon skill line. It always is almost funny when playing on other classes after stam sorc and notice yourself going on like "oh, this X class has such cool class skills for stam too, almost forgot!".