No change needed. working as intended.

Galarthor wrote: »

kypranb14_ESO wrote: »

Galarthor wrote: »

Don't give it a cooldown. Get rid of it! Or make it universal with a cooldown, but don't creat sets designed to completely screw one particular class/build! That's pretty much the definition of imbalanced!

You mean like.. Detection Potions? Not trying to derail the thread but it is a potion designed to "completely screw" one class/build.

I'd like to see both Shield Breaker and Detection Potions reworked to be honest.

Shield Breaker (New)
When you hit an opponent with a light attack, deal an additional 5% of their resistance as Oblivion Damage.

(Tank busting set that scales with resists, not targeting any single build, but punishes people for trying to play titanium-teddybear builds)


Detection Potions (New)
Increase your Stealth Detection by 20 meters for X seconds. Also ignore reflection and absorption abilities during this time.

Rather than only removing a Nightblades primary defense, countering a classes primary defense, this would counter all "projectile defenses" including Shadowy Disguise making it useful for pressuring people when they are trying to tank up through reflects/absorbs.

Sorry but detection potions and shield breaker are on two completely different levels. Sure, detection potions allow to counter cloak, but they do not allow the user to kill the NB within 7 to 10 seconds by only spamming light attacks. Besides, Detection Potions are necessary to provide builds with counters to cloak, slotting mage light is not an option b/c the duration and radius are just too small and randomly adding AoEs can and will completely gimp certain classes only so that they can have a chance at fighting NB - that's not really desireable. Whereas there are already plenty of counters to shields - i.e. everything that deals damage. In addition, NBs are not as reliant on cloak as sorcs are on shields.

That being said, I am open to reworks of how cloak / detection pots work.

Shield Breaker set might not have the effect you think it will. It will be 1500 damage at 30k resistences. That might not be enough. On the other hand I don't really like the concept of Oblivion Damage and Bleed Damage as it is just a lazy way of ZOS trying to address balance issues by covering them up. But your suggestion would be 1000 times more balanced than what we got now, since it would not single out a particular class and will hurt those the most that can afford it the most.


Your suggestion for Detection Potions is an absolute mess though. It would render sorcs even more vulnerable than shield breaker does, as it effectively removes their only defense for 10 to 15 seconds. And again, sorcs dont have an alternative, while dodger rollers, healers, and resistence based builds will be virtually unaffected. Sounds pretty broken to me. For reason already outlined above, this potion would hit sorcs far harder than it does NBs, even though this potion is only needed due to the lack of counterplay against cloak on many builds / classes.

@Galarthor
To clarify, my suggested rework for Detection Potions wasn't meant to target Wards. It was meant to target Shadowy Disguise, DK Wings, Sorcs Ball of Lightning, Wardens Shimmering Shield, etc.

This would not touch Sorcs main defense.

Gilvoth wrote: »

i disagree,
shields are stronger now then they have ever been in the history of eso.
do you shield stack and spam shield stacking?
this set was made to act as a counter, if anything it needs a buff to do more damage to shields.

in pvp.

If someone is constantly spamming shields then how are they dealing dmg to you? If you do not know the right way to counter all the various classes without gimp sets like this then you are a ltp issue. Furthermore the problem is not 1v1 using SB, from a sorc point of view this is a manageable fight. The problem is when the pleb zerglings use it and you cannot focus the SB user coz too much pressure and you cannot afford to drop your ward (SB counter) to avoid the dmg coz too much zergling pressure. Just because a good sorc can kite and kill your Zerg 1vx? So what. Is this not what pvp is about? When people slot a SB Resto staff on their stamblade you know the set is a gimp set.

elfantasmo wrote: »

but how will the AD GOs kill decent sorcs?

with the help of BIG BOSS the best 1vx player

d3adpain wrote: »

Nocturnalan wrote: »

No change needed. working as intended.

you think shieldbreaker its balanced ??
tell me why did they introduce that set ?

This set is balanced and solution to those un-killable sorcers, shields can still be stacked and with resitance they are stronger in PVP.

Bunch of sorcerers are not gonna kill anyway without this set.

Whoever these people are who say that shields are stronger than ever are wrong.
Even with ~2600 crit mitigation and~24000 physical and spell mitigation my 11k shield gets taken down right after I put it up in most situations in pvp.
So then I run 2 shields, and then 3 shields. I have no bar space for anything else, I run out of magic super fast, then someone with shield breaker comes along and wipes the floor with me. It doesn't happen often, however..
Anyway the mystique that has arisen that shields are strong is all just smoke and mirrors, just throw pressure on us so we spend all of our magic on our shields, or simpler yet cc us to run our stamina out...
Oh yeah then along comes shield breaker..
It occurs to me that maybe they forgot about this pesky set and then decided to also forget about bastion at the same time.
A lot of emphasis on destroying shields and 0 counter play makes Jack a dull boy..

kypranb14_ESO wrote: »

Galarthor wrote: »

kypranb14_ESO wrote: »

Galarthor wrote: »

Don't give it a cooldown. Get rid of it! Or make it universal with a cooldown, but don't creat sets designed to completely screw one particular class/build! That's pretty much the definition of imbalanced!

You mean like.. Detection Potions? Not trying to derail the thread but it is a potion designed to "completely screw" one class/build.

I'd like to see both Shield Breaker and Detection Potions reworked to be honest.

Shield Breaker (New)
When you hit an opponent with a light attack, deal an additional 5% of their resistance as Oblivion Damage.

(Tank busting set that scales with resists, not targeting any single build, but punishes people for trying to play titanium-teddybear builds)


Detection Potions (New)
Increase your Stealth Detection by 20 meters for X seconds. Also ignore reflection and absorption abilities during this time.

Rather than only removing a Nightblades primary defense, countering a classes primary defense, this would counter all "projectile defenses" including Shadowy Disguise making it useful for pressuring people when they are trying to tank up through reflects/absorbs.

Sorry but detection potions and shield breaker are on two completely different levels. Sure, detection potions allow to counter cloak, but they do not allow the user to kill the NB within 7 to 10 seconds by only spamming light attacks. Besides, Detection Potions are necessary to provide builds with counters to cloak, slotting mage light is not an option b/c the duration and radius are just too small and randomly adding AoEs can and will completely gimp certain classes only so that they can have a chance at fighting NB - that's not really desireable. Whereas there are already plenty of counters to shields - i.e. everything that deals damage. In addition, NBs are not as reliant on cloak as sorcs are on shields.

That being said, I am open to reworks of how cloak / detection pots work.

Shield Breaker set might not have the effect you think it will. It will be 1500 damage at 30k resistences. That might not be enough. On the other hand I don't really like the concept of Oblivion Damage and Bleed Damage as it is just a lazy way of ZOS trying to address balance issues by covering them up. But your suggestion would be 1000 times more balanced than what we got now, since it would not single out a particular class and will hurt those the most that can afford it the most.


Your suggestion for Detection Potions is an absolute mess though. It would render sorcs even more vulnerable than shield breaker does, as it effectively removes their only defense for 10 to 15 seconds. And again, sorcs dont have an alternative, while dodger rollers, healers, and resistence based builds will be virtually unaffected. Sounds pretty broken to me. For reason already outlined above, this potion would hit sorcs far harder than it does NBs, even though this potion is only needed due to the lack of counterplay against cloak on many builds / classes.

@Galarthor
To clarify, my suggested rework for Detection Potions wasn't meant to target Wards. It was meant to target Shadowy Disguise, DK Wings, Sorcs Ball of Lightning, Wardens Shimmering Shield, etc.

This would not touch Sorcs main defense.

That makes a lot more sense. I could live with that.

Gilvoth wrote: »

lies, because if you spam light attack you will die. currently the shield stackers out damage this set.
this set needs a buff because it is not working as strong of a help against shield stacking as it did years ago.

Dude ... I just wanted to go to bed to sleep when I read this. I am laughing so hard that I can't fall asleep anymore.

Brrrofski wrote: »

The irony is that when this set came out harness magica only shielded against MAGICA based attacks, so it was magica characters who had a harder time bursting down other magica characters.

That doesn't bother ZOS as they are and always have been clearly favoring stamina in PvP.

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

d3adpain wrote: »

Nocturnalan wrote: »

No change needed. working as intended.

you think shieldbreaker its balanced ??
tell me why did they introduce that set ?

This set is balanced and solution to those un-killable sorcers, shields can still be stacked and with resitance they are stronger in PVP.

Bunch of sorcerers are not gonna kill anyway without this set.

...shields CAN be stronger. But only if someone is sacrificing quite a lot of damage output for a tanking set, is running a heavy armor setup, or is dumping a ton of CP into resistance bonuses. But, uh... light armor resistances aren't exactly great on their own, so if it's just a light armor damage dealer without a tanking set, then shields are very definitely MUCH weaker. Especially since shields can now also take critical damage.

elfantasmo wrote: »

but how will the AD GOs kill decent sorcs?

Another Perspektive : which good GOs do u mean ?

barshemm wrote: »

5 items: When you deal damage with a Light or Heavy Attack against a Player with a damage shield, you deal an additional 9999999999 Oblivion Damage to all currently cloaked nightblades in your campaign, even your own alliance.

Excess Damage is carried forward!
(i.e. it is counted against you HP when you respawn).

unknown-forumPoster-456512 wrote:

i just wanted to point something out about this picture above ^

i did not make that photo, and i am not talking about the person whom made this picture photo.
note: this has NOTHING to do with the person whom took the photo.

what i am pointing out, is the fact that those 2 yellow faction characters are all alone against a big group of red players.
and obviously they are going to die, why? because is a whole lot of Red players against just those 2 yellow players, yet what happens here on this forum every single day, is that normaly on a daily basis, 1 of those 2 yellow players is going to come to this forum and make a thread asking that what ever skill or weapon or or snipe or earthgore armor or sneak invisibility, or heavy armor, or wings, or healing, or light armnor, or sloads, or medium armor passive, or warewolf damage, or assylum weapon, or Master weapon, or ANYTHING whatsoever that was the final blow that killed them in the above picture situation above, was and is OBVIOUSLY "to them" is Overpowered and MUST BE NERFED!
i mean they HAVE to be able to survive an entire LARGE GROUP like that or the game is COMPLETELY imbalanced and the entire staff of eso and all of the rest of us are just garbage players because we cant see and agree with them that what ever killed them in that situation above is ovepowered.
when infact nothing was over powered, all that was over powered was that alot of the other alliance killed them and they were outnumbered was the only real thing that killed them.

i hope one day that all of this forum members and all of eso members and all the staff and developers of the entire elderscrolls online community will see this trend and realize how it has caused massive nerfs and destroyed build after build and class after class just because 1 or a few people come to this forum and make threads continuously about things that killed them that MUST BE NERFED and that this has been going on now for YEARS.

please zenimax, please make this stop happening.

Minalan wrote: »

Shields are critable, and take all crit damage a players build allows.
Shields are hard capped at 40 or 50 percent of health.
Shields require the user to invest in armor, and shields are vulnerable to breach/fracture.
Shields cannot themselves crit.
Bastion CP has little or no effect anymore due to the health cap.

So.. basically shield breaker has little or no purpose any longer. Shields have hard counters now, and shield breaker is just a completely ridiculous set.

If anything, shied breaker should be like 'shattering blows' CP and add additional 20 percent damage to light and heavy attacks when striking a damage shield.

bastion cp is useless lot of cp points for extra 0.4 shield

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

d3adpain wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

lies, because if you spam light attack you will die. currently the shield stackers out damage this set.
this set needs a buff because it is not working as strong of a help against shield stacking as it did years ago.

"cUrrEnTLy tHe sHieLd sTaCKers Out DaMagE this set. "

lol you have no idea how the set works while you tell me i'm lying
that set deals OBLIVION damage, OBLIVION damage goes through shield that means
that if i use light attack on player with 11k shield and he got 20k hp
after the light attack he will have 11 shield with 18/20k hp and so on
that set doesn't do anything with the shield its go TROUGH it making shield meaningless

and you say that its not working against shield stacking user lol
even if some 1 will equip every shield ability on him he will die
cause its IGNORE the Shields

those pictures aint my own ,they from another thread
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391965/the-problem-with-shieldbreaker/p1




now you think its ok the recap ? just spamming light attacks to kill some one that use shield
because shields are his defence if that set ok ,we need vigor breaker , breath of life breaker, cloak breaker
so every noob can buy gear to nullify the enemy defence instead to learn how to play against it

the people that use it they got destro or resto staff staff to attack from range if he streak
and the resto light attacks are fast as hell and you cant dodge them

now the most funny thing that the people that use that set are mag dk with 100% wings uptime or stam nb that spam cloak
and do 100 roll dodges if you try to kill them before they destroy your hp

if you stay dummy and then complain of dying by friend using Shield Breaker?

Sorc are good in PVP and this set is cure!

well lets me ask you this you think stamina nightblades are also good ? and warden ? ("lot of people complain about them too ")
if yes we need set to destroy them so every one can buy and kill them cause
"its good" and we need a cure for it, and PLS tell me why are they good ?
did you play the game since murkmire ? cause you seems to think that shields are good defence now