Earthgore?

FrankonPC · January 2019

Timed ultimates are the only way to kill a group that outnumbers you that much and your ultimates like dawnbreaker, negate and permafrost have a longer cooldown than earthgore does...so every time you burst, earthgore is off cooldown and ready to proc. Taking the time to flame clench or silver leash individual people out of a group is not going to help you wipe the group.

The 20 man group already has more ultimates, more healing and more damage output than a 4-8 man group...if skill is relatively equal the 20 man will win every time, regardless of if they have earthgore or not. should the large group also benefit from an aoe ult heal that can negate other ults?

Haashhtaag · January 2019

From 1 push I count 4-6 earthgores proc'ing on a group

templesus · January 2019

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Mintaka5 wrote: »

OMG this AGAIN?

It doesn't need a nerf. All you kill bill nightblades need to quit your bitching about it already. Just because someone can outheal your excessive amount of DD, doesn't make it overpowered. You just need to learn to adapt, and stop the QQ.

This is so grossly misinformed.

And to the PvErs I can’t say really, I don’t PvE that seriously. But people survived all the hardest PvE content without it. Also people are always saying how healers are barely needed anymore. Isn’t Earthgore a set that starts to lessen the need for healers in certain content.

Pretty much go 3 dps with a tank wearing earthgore and you can complete roughly 90% of 4 man content including DSA

And vBRP. You don’t even need a tank in DSA it’s 4 DPSable.

You can complete 100% of 4 man content with 3 dps and tank.

Passifest · January 2019

If earthgore snipe and time stop were addressed PvP would be in a MUCH better place. Earthgore ruins skilled play even in large scale vs large scale. Instead of having to preemptively heal ult when you see an ult dump coming you can rely on earthgore to save your group. That right there takes out several opportunities for skill based play like juking out the enemy heal ults.

chris211 · January 2019

delete snipe, earthgore and timestop

Teeba_Shei · January 2019

chris211 wrote: »

delete snipe, earthgore and timestop

Basically this. All these abilities are in the same pool as rapids, which is being nerfed. They benefit large zergs way too much and diminish small scale.

Qbiken · January 2019

Irylia wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Excelsus wrote: »

GeneralSezme wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

It’s been nerfed already once, and it’s every 35 seconds. Give it a rest.

Found a zergling

Its been nerfed twice actually and its the only decent healing monster set for pve so let us keep this one, please? We already lost our proc sets to you guys don't take our healers down too.

Bodgan the nightflame is vastly superior to earthgore.

Except it isn’t because earthgore removes a negative effect (potentially an ultimate)
And is on demand when low

I had PvE in mind since the comment I responded to had to do with PvE.

templesus · January 2019

Synapsis123 wrote: »

chris211 wrote: »

delete snipe, earthgore and timestop

Basically this. All these abilities are in the same pool as rapids, which is being nerfed. They benefit large zergs way too much and diminish small scale.

Add cloak to the list and we are golden

TequilaFire · January 2019

GeneralSezme wrote: »

Mintaka5 wrote: »

OMG this AGAIN?

It doesn't need a nerf. All you kill bill nightblades need to quit your bitching about it already. Just because someone can outheal your excessive amount of DD, doesn't make it overpowered. You just need to learn to adapt, and stop the QQ.

Nightblade takes more skill than an Earthgore user tho

So what? You push the same buttons and just cloak away.

TequilaFire · January 2019

Synapsis123 wrote: »

chris211 wrote: »

delete snipe, earthgore and timestop

Basically this. All these abilities are in the same pool as rapids, which is being nerfed. They benefit large zergs way too much and diminish small scale.

Delete smallscale - see that can work two ways.
Go ahead call me a zergling IDGAF.

TheActuary130 · January 2019

This set carries in pve and pvp. The issue is not small scalers lashing out, it's that earthgore discourages improvement. As the casuals have noted, "how else can we heal the pugs." Rather than encourage people to improve at the game, the set plays it for them.

GeneralSezme · January 2019

wheres zos comment?

FrankonPC · January 2019

TequilaFire wrote: »

So what? You push the same buttons and just cloak away.

Except you don't have to push a button to proc earth gore, they just need to stand in your purify or randomly get hit by one of the 40 people spamming mutagen. You can be hard to kill in an earthgore proc by doing absolutely nothing.

templesus · January 2019

TequilaFire wrote: »

Synapsis123 wrote: »

chris211 wrote: »

delete snipe, earthgore and timestop

Basically this. All these abilities are in the same pool as rapids, which is being nerfed. They benefit large zergs way too much and diminish small scale.

Delete smallscale - see that can work two ways.
Go ahead call me a zergling IDGAF.

What does any of this attribute to structural debate? Comments like these are reasons why Devs have stopped taking feedback from the forums.

Varana · January 2019

It shows that "benefitting large groups and diminishing small scale" is not an argument, it is a preference.
Why is "diminishing small scale" a bad thing? That is taken for granted but why would it be?
I don't entirely agree with the thought but the statement is not without merit.
(And while I follow PvP debates only now and then, complaining that "I/our small group can't kill a larger group" is quite common, and I'm not sure why anyone would listen to that. Of course many players will kill few players. Why is that in doubt?)

ToRelax · January 2019

Varana wrote: »

It shows that "benefitting large groups and diminishing small scale" is not an argument, it is a preference.
Why is "diminishing small scale" a bad thing? That is taken for granted but why would it be?
I don't entirely agree with the thought but the statement is not without merit.
(And while I follow PvP debates only now and then, complaining that "I/our small group can't kill a larger group" is quite common, and I'm not sure why anyone would listen to that. Of course many players will kill few players. Why is that in doubt?)

Depends why they couldn't kill them. This thread is about Earthgore, so one set that doesn't require any player input making it far more difficult for the smaller group to kill the larger one than if the latter used something else in it's place. It removes room for error and counterplay, and with random encounters in PvP rarely involving equal numbers, that quickly makes it less fun for anyone interested in balanced fights.

Jaxaxo · January 2019

The game also should award ppl with more game knowledge, skill, coordination. So if even fewer players try to combo their skill/ultimates, focus, do sth with voice com to fight against odds it's just sad when players who just mindlesly play blob dont get punished for bad gameplay/decisions. Only cuz one (or few of them) has set that will heal whole group in his place. Cmon, it's similar argument to current curse eater, u only need to slot some kind of hot and the set will do sth instead of u. I dont think it's good design.

Galarthor · January 2019

Playnice wrote: »

Why nerf? I have killed plenty of good players while their earthgore was procced. These "nerf everything that I don't like" threads are out of control.

Yeah ... something about your comment doesn't add up.

What "good" running around solo is using Earthgore?

That means you either outnumbered that guy and kill him or her OR you run a solo / small scale build and ran into somebody who was build for group play and was thus handicapped OR the entire story is BS.

KhajiitFelix · January 2019

Excelsus wrote: »

GeneralSezme wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

It’s been nerfed already once, and it’s every 35 seconds. Give it a rest.

Found a zergling

Its been nerfed twice actually and its the only decent healing monster set for pve so let us keep this one, please? We already lost our proc sets to you guys don't take our healers down too.

Chokethorn

WreckfulAbandon · January 2019

Cool so we can all agree that the new Curse Eater needs to be nerfed into the ground. Feel free to make it completely useless ZOS.

Teeba_Shei · January 2019

IF earthgore did damage instead of healing it would've been nerfed a long time ago. All you have to do is cast mutagen and all of a sudden you're doing 20k healing per second.

Jaxaxo · January 2019

Ye, it's kinda weird, ppl are biased again dmg proc sets (which i completely understand), but on the other hand we have those defensive sets which we dont really see on our recaps, so nobody really think about them. Just think, cyrodiil's crest, on noncp u're able to get over 10k heals from it (heals, not tooltip), with value like 9,4k average on properly buffed dk. 9.4k per 5 sec. Proc set that deals dmg are not fine, but proc sets that heal dmg are fine? Imagine so guy in noncp which has 20k bleed dmg 5 sec dot proc set. Seems fine, isnt it?

And that's kinda how earthgore works. Pls, ZOS, reconsider adjusting proc sets, both offensive and defensive one.

BahometZ · January 2019

Skander wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

Earthgore i rarely see in Bgs, or even in Cyro. IDK what is this fuzz about. However Bloodspawn is like 40% of the Monster sets equipped ^^

Earthgore is overused by zerglings and raids which abuse it

Bloodspawn is used by the majority of good players becouse it's versatile and not overpowered like a 30k heal on command for your entire group

You: Earthgore

I, an intellectual: Bloodspawn

BahometZ · January 2019

I don't see the issue, personally. Been on both ends of it, life goes on.

It's not Earthgore that annoys you, it's Earthgore combined with every other ball group effect going off at the same time.

Lick your wounds, and move on.

FrankonPC · January 2019

A fix I was thinking of that would reward gameplay and still make it powerful would be to provide a lot of healing received for those inside of the proc. So it doesn't heal the group, but if it procs the healers get an added benefit. It makes good healers more valuable while also buffing the group and keeping the set useful.

If it's a must in some trials, that increased healing received should help for healers to keep the tanks up as well.

Thoughts?

Wuuffyy · January 2019

FrankonPC wrote: »

Mintaka5 wrote: »

OMG this AGAIN?

It doesn't need a nerf. All you kill bill nightblades need to quit your bitching about it already. Just because someone can outheal your excessive amount of DD, doesn't make it overpowered. You just need to learn to adapt, and stop the QQ.

When "excessive" dd meets a monster set that doesn't at all need a nerf and is completely balanced because it out heals "excessive" dd.

Just give people an aoe monster set that does 40k damage when a player drops below 50% health that has a 45 second cooldown. Problem solved.

Oh, also let it negate all healing in the area.

SHH!!! Don't say stuff like that. They will actually make it happen. They have ZERO concept of balance.

Haashhtaag · January 2019

FrankonPC wrote: »

A fix I was thinking of that would reward gameplay and still make it powerful would be to provide a lot of healing received for those inside of the proc. So it doesn't heal the group, but if it procs the healers get an added benefit. It makes good healers more valuable while also buffing the group and keeping the set useful.

If it's a must in some trials, that increased healing received should help for healers to keep the tanks up as well.

Thoughts?

Healing is already so easy in this game compared to other MMOs please don’t make it easier.

And it’s not a “must” in any content in this game.

Wuuffyy · January 2019

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

Cool so we can all agree that the new Curse Eater needs to be nerfed into the ground. Feel free to make it completely useless ZOS.

No. As for Earthgore. After one procs, Earthgores w/in 50m should share its' cooldown. Would make it far less prevalent.

FrankonPC · January 2019

Haashhtaag wrote: »

FrankonPC wrote: »

A fix I was thinking of that would reward gameplay and still make it powerful would be to provide a lot of healing received for those inside of the proc. So it doesn't heal the group, but if it procs the healers get an added benefit. It makes good healers more valuable while also buffing the group and keeping the set useful.

If it's a must in some trials, that increased healing received should help for healers to keep the tanks up as well.

Thoughts?

Healing is already so easy in this game compared to other MMOs please don’t make it easier.

And it’s not a “must” in any content in this game.

Hey, that's what was mentioned previously. I haven't done hard trials in a bit so I figured I'd try and find a middle ground. At least the healing received would still have to promote self healing to be valuable.

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

SHH!!! Don't say stuff like that. They will actually make it happen. They have ZERO concept of balance.

but it would be so much fun with VD lol

ToRelax · January 2019

FrankonPC wrote: »

A fix I was thinking of that would reward gameplay and still make it powerful would be to provide a lot of healing received for those inside of the proc. So it doesn't heal the group, but if it procs the healers get an added benefit. It makes good healers more valuable while also buffing the group and keeping the set useful.

If it's a must in some trials, that increased healing received should help for healers to keep the tanks up as well.

Thoughts?

That's actually an intresting idea. I certainly don't think it would be needed, but it's better than what we have now.