Earthgore?

del9 · January 2019

Make earthgore single target

chris211 · January 2019

I sometimes use eartghore on my healer although i prefer bloodspawn the problem is this set is unhealthy for the game its huge crutch and needs a nerf. It became really bad when the set was put on the gold vendor a few months ago it opened my eyes how op it is, nothing more disgusting then 40+ people stacking earthgore making them nigh unkillable

Sheezabeast · January 2019

As long as jackasses run ahead of the group and pull mobs without the tank, I will continue to use Earthgore. You know how many times it has saved some eager skeever impatient DD who face-eats damage because they're in a hurry? You know how many times it saves people that get lag spikes and they eat a mechanic? Lots. Lots lots lots. It isn't abuse. In this DD speed run meta, Earthgore is a necessary evil.

RighteousBacon · January 2019

IzzyStardust wrote: »

It’s been nerfed already once, and it’s every 35 seconds. Give it a rest.

I don’t think you understand. In pvp, when ur trying to burst down a group of people who outnumber you 4 to 1, one proc of earth gore will save them all. It takes at least 30 more seconds to regain the required ultimate and positioning to hit all of those enemies again with your full burst potential.

Especially with all the 30k heath heavy armor players we have running around these days in cyrodil, it’s almost impossible to kill a group that has ONE earthgore.

It’s too much of a carry set to remain as powerful as it is. I can’t count the number of times I’ve gotten a bowtard into execute range right before he gets an earthgore proc from stepping in his daddy magplar’s purifying ring. It’s these kinds of players that don’t have a heal on their bar besides draining shot, that I see benefiting from it the most. But that’s just how zergs work nowadays anyway.

RighteousBacon · January 2019

Mintaka5 wrote: »

OMG this AGAIN?

It doesn't need a nerf. All you kill bill nightblades need to quit your bitching about it already. Just because someone can outheal your excessive amount of DD, doesn't make it overpowered. You just need to learn to adapt, and stop the QQ.

You see the thing is, it’s not YOU who is out healing their dps, it’s your shoulder piece and helmet. It rewards, getting beaten. Like I don’t understand how you could argue this

NyassaV · January 2019

IzzyStardust wrote: »

caesarvs wrote: »

GeneralSezme wrote: »

Excelsus wrote: »

GeneralSezme wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

It’s been nerfed already once, and it’s every 35 seconds. Give it a rest.

Found a zergling

Its been nerfed twice actually and its the only decent healing monster set for pve so let us keep this one, please? We already lost our proc sets to you guys don't take our healers down too.

Bogdan you MMMMMMMM

Yeah lets make all healers on the game wear the same monster set, because diversity

And sorry but bogdan is way too random unless you’re stacked - I actually think that except in certain circumstances it’s pointless.

If you don't PvP you aren't allowed to comment on it. Besides you can just move your camera and heal the idiot who over extends, right? Us damage dealers do that all the time if a new enemy spawns or moves elsewhere in the game. I'm pretty sure you'll manage without Earth-gore

Personally I'd like reduce the healing by 50% and maybe have a 25 second cool-down. Work on the set as a ground purifier rather than a carry set for healing idiots.

DeathlurkZ · January 2019

So let's nerf a set due to it over performing in PVP. Let's not talk about how useful this set is in PUG dungeons, vet dlc dungeons etc

How about we decrease the set bonuses in cyrodil and leave pve alone.

NyassaV · January 2019

Sheezabeast wrote: »

As long as jackasses run ahead of the group and pull mobs without the tank, I will continue to use Earthgore. You know how many times it has saved some eager skeever impatient DD who face-eats damage because they're in a hurry? You know how many times it saves people that get lag spikes and they eat a mechanic? Lots. Lots lots lots. It isn't abuse. In this DD speed run meta, Earthgore is a necessary evil.

Let them die

Xvorg · January 2019

Sheezabeast wrote: »

As long as jackasses run ahead of the group and pull mobs without the tank, I will continue to use Earthgore. You know how many times it has saved some eager skeever impatient DD who face-eats damage because they're in a hurry? You know how many times it saves people that get lag spikes and they eat a mechanic? Lots. Lots lots lots. It isn't abuse. In this DD speed run meta, Earthgore is a necessary evil.

Those deserve to die, not to be saved by a miraculous set.

Sheezabeast · January 2019

Xvorg wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

As long as jackasses run ahead of the group and pull mobs without the tank, I will continue to use Earthgore. You know how many times it has saved some eager skeever impatient DD who face-eats damage because they're in a hurry? You know how many times it saves people that get lag spikes and they eat a mechanic? Lots. Lots lots lots. It isn't abuse. In this DD speed run meta, Earthgore is a necessary evil.

Those deserve to die, not to be saved by a miraculous set.

That...that's not how team work works...

ToRelax · January 2019

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

As long as jackasses run ahead of the group and pull mobs without the tank, I will continue to use Earthgore. You know how many times it has saved some eager skeever impatient DD who face-eats damage because they're in a hurry? You know how many times it saves people that get lag spikes and they eat a mechanic? Lots. Lots lots lots. It isn't abuse. In this DD speed run meta, Earthgore is a necessary evil.

Those deserve to die, not to be saved by a miraculous set.

That...that's not how team work works...

Very true. Teamwork would be they not getting themselves killed. It's fine to use the set. It just doesn't mean it is good for the game in any way.

Glory · January 2019

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

As long as jackasses run ahead of the group and pull mobs without the tank, I will continue to use Earthgore. You know how many times it has saved some eager skeever impatient DD who face-eats damage because they're in a hurry? You know how many times it saves people that get lag spikes and they eat a mechanic? Lots. Lots lots lots. It isn't abuse. In this DD speed run meta, Earthgore is a necessary evil.

Those deserve to die, not to be saved by a miraculous set.

That...that's not how team work works...

Where's the 4th picture in this clip, where a set screams about carrying players who messed up?

Pevey · January 2019

This is why we can’t have nice things. For literally everything that is good in the game, there is some minority of fun-hating people on the forums crying for a nerf and wanting a light attack vs light attack “balanced” meta.

karekiz · January 2019

NoThInG EvEr GeTs NeRfEd CaUsE oF Pee Vee Pee.

Why don't you guys just ask for separate balance?

Tatertodd · January 2019

karekiz wrote: »

NoThInG EvEr GeTs NeRfEd CaUsE oF Pee Vee Pee.

Why don't you guys just ask for separate balance?

I think everyone...including PVP players want PVP separate from PVE to some extent. Both sides have suffered many times over because a set, build, power whatever over performs or under performs on a certain side...then Zos tries to fix it and then the problem shifts back to the other side. It's frustrating to both sides

DoonerSeraph · January 2019

Make everyone healed by earthgore get a "cooldown" debuff (same duration as EG cooldown) that prevents them from getting healed by another earthgore proc for that duration.

Prevent ball group stacking while still giving you one chance. Is that good?

Recremen · January 2019

It got nerfed last patch, right? It does still seem a bit strong, though, doesn't it? Maybe some reduction to the amount of healing overall is in order. As it stands, this is still one of the best sets for certain non-healer roles in large raid settings. It's like a healing ultimate every 30 seconds, but with a slight delay. And, importantly, usable by non-healers. Now maybe that's the right balance point for a monster set, I don't know, but if so then some other sets need a buff or this one might be due for another nerf.

Vapirko · January 2019

Mintaka5 wrote: »

OMG this AGAIN?

It doesn't need a nerf. All you kill bill nightblades need to quit your bitching about it already. Just because someone can outheal your excessive amount of DD, doesn't make it overpowered. You just need to learn to adapt, and stop the QQ.

This is so grossly misinformed.

And to the PvErs I can’t say really, I don’t PvE that seriously. But people survived all the hardest PvE content without it. Also people are always saying how healers are barely needed anymore. Isn’t Earthgore a set that starts to lessen the need for healers in certain content.

templesus · January 2019

Just remove it from the game already.

PvE argument is null and void. In PvE the game is balanced around Vet Trials and every single vet trial can and has been completed without earthgore no problem.

The set is a carry in all facets of the game. Scrap it.

Feanor · January 2019

At least the thread serves to identify everyone who needs a carry.

Syhae · January 2019

Mintaka5 wrote: »

OMG this AGAIN?

It doesn't need a nerf. All you kill bill nightblades need to quit your bitching about it already. Just because someone can outheal your excessive amount of DD, doesn't make it overpowered. You just need to learn to adapt, and stop the QQ.

This would be fine if it was an actual person out healing the damage they take. Which is very often the case when you are fighting a good healer.
The reality is this is a 2 piece item set out healing someone's damage, not a player.
It would be the equivalent of a 2 piece item set out damaging all of your heals that you worked very hard at pumping out to ensure you or your teammates don't die.
I hope this can give you some insight on the set and why it is overperforming.

FrankonPC · January 2019

Sheezabeast wrote: »

As long as jackasses run ahead of the group and pull mobs without the tank, I will continue to use Earthgore. You know how many times it has saved some eager skeever impatient DD who face-eats damage because they're in a hurry? You know how many times it saves people that get lag spikes and they eat a mechanic? Lots. Lots lots lots. It isn't abuse. In this DD speed run meta, Earthgore is a necessary evil.

I'm sure it's a lot, because it's such a powerful on demand heal to the person that needs it the most. There is no recovery or damage monster set in the game that functions this way, only heal sets like earthgore and troll king. Imagine if engine guardian would proc the resource you need when you need it, if selenes proc'd at 30% health for an execute, etc.

If you really want to keep the earthgore heal, either nerf the overall output because it's as strong as an ultimate, or provide a longer delay in when it heals. a 2 piece set shouldn't automatically delay you from dying because you decided to wear it, at some point you're just crutching on the cooldown.

Pevey · January 2019

This set is available to anyone. You can use it, too. But chances are you don't, just like most people don't, because you feel another monster set is better for your build. And it probably is. Earthgore is fine.

FrankonPC · January 2019

That's a fun assumption, when I'm running in groups on a healer I do use it because it's an ultimate. I dont even have to block with it up most of the time, i can just do heavy attacks to get stam return.

If I am solo, I "can" run it but more often than not I'm not afforded the luxury of standing my ground against 10-12 people even with the proc so it's useless and I prefer a set more mobile. When you're the 10-12 people fighting a smaller group, balling up and being defensive allows you to survive, even against superior players.

This isn't that hard, and saying "it's fine" isn't magically going to make it true.

Haashhtaag · January 2019

Vapirko wrote: »

Mintaka5 wrote: »

OMG this AGAIN?

It doesn't need a nerf. All you kill bill nightblades need to quit your bitching about it already. Just because someone can outheal your excessive amount of DD, doesn't make it overpowered. You just need to learn to adapt, and stop the QQ.

This is so grossly misinformed.

And to the PvErs I can’t say really, I don’t PvE that seriously. But people survived all the hardest PvE content without it. Also people are always saying how healers are barely needed anymore. Isn’t Earthgore a set that starts to lessen the need for healers in certain content.

Pretty much go 3 dps with a tank wearing earthgore and you can complete roughly 90% of 4 man content including DSA

Sarousse · January 2019

I still can't believe that this set exists in game in its current state. So sad that devs do nothing.

I can't count how many situation we would have won fights in a 4v20+ situations where their whole group earthgore procs saved them.

And against large organized groups, you have one shot to win, not two. Earthgore just negates our chances.

Sheezabeast · January 2019

Sarousse wrote: »

I still can't believe that this set exists in game in its current state. So sad that devs do nothing.

I can't count how many situation we would have won fights in a 4v20+ situations where their whole group earthgore procs saved them.

And against large organized groups, you have one shot to win, not two. Earthgore just negates our chances.

How does it negate it when there are counters? Like, your own group running it also, or using abilities like chains or silver leash to pull people out of it. Knock people away with flame clench. Or using healing rebuffs. Or popping a forward camp. Or targeting the healers and killing them after the Earthgore procs. Every time someone takes a chunk of fall damage the set goes off if it’s up. It doesn’t have reliable uptime anyways. If you’re getting outplayed, rethink strategies.

Irylia · January 2019

Qbiken wrote: »

Excelsus wrote: »

GeneralSezme wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

It’s been nerfed already once, and it’s every 35 seconds. Give it a rest.

Found a zergling

Its been nerfed twice actually and its the only decent healing monster set for pve so let us keep this one, please? We already lost our proc sets to you guys don't take our healers down too.

Bodgan the nightflame is vastly superior to earthgore.

Except it isn’t because earthgore removes a negative effect (potentially an ultimate)
And is on demand when low

Feanor · January 2019

If you’re getting outplayed outprocced, rethink strategies.

Fixed that.

Playnice · January 2019

Why nerf? I have killed plenty of good players while their earthgore was procced. These "nerf everything that I don't like" threads are out of control.