Time Stop - It's Time To Stop

Kartalin · January 2019

As I said in the other time stop thread that got closedtime-stopped:

Maybe if it were the 5th psijic skill instead of the 1st one unlocked we'd see less of it? Would absolutely love to see less of it.
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Starlock · January 2019

Syhae wrote: »

Game balance should not be designed around a small minority who are purposefully hurting themselves in their class/build choice.

Beg your pardon, but I highly doubt that players who create non-sheep builds or characters do it to "purposefully hurt themselves" and whether or not such players are a "small minority" is both unknown and irrelevant. I get what you are saying, but this was a very poor way to say it. Besides, the flipside is that "game balance" shouldn't be designed around PvP either. For better or worse, that's often how it ends up being in this game, though.

Grimlok_S · January 2019

Kartalin wrote: »

As I said in the other time stop thread that got closedtime-stopped:

Maybe if it were the 5th psijic skill instead of the 1st one unlocked we'd see less of it? Would absolutely love to see less of it.
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It's a start, but I doubt it would have any real impact.

A cost increase based on everything this skill offers seems to make the most sense.

Or dialing back some of its capabilities.

Curveball, what if it kept the aoe snare but only stunned targets within a small radius of its bullseye?

Radius reduction would be nice either way.

J18696 · January 2019

Starlock wrote: »

Syhae wrote: »

Game balance should not be designed around a small minority who are purposefully hurting themselves in their class/build choice.

Beg your pardon, but I highly doubt that players who create non-sheep builds or characters do it to "purposefully hurt themselves" and whether or not such players are a "small minority" is both unknown and irrelevant. I get what you are saying, but this was a very poor way to say it. Besides, the flipside is that "game balance" shouldn't be designed around PvP either. For better or worse, that's often how it ends up being in this game, though.

It actually rarely ever gets balanced around pvp and other classes should have access to a skill that can act like talons for pve tanking but it cant be time stop it's to much of a cancerous skill in pvp maybe use a ice staff with frost wall snare them all in it

Playnice · January 2019

Syhae wrote: »

Playnice wrote: »

Time Stop is expensive to cast, one of the morphs is a cast time, and you can dodge roll out of it easily if you spend one iota of energy to spec some kind of stamina into your build. Stop crying that you keep getting stuck in Time Stop and put a freaking stam recovery enchant on your jewelry.

It isn't expensive to cast at all. It's the same cost of fear (3.7k magicka) while doing much more than fear can do.
The skill is too dense in effects for it's cost. Need's to be rebalanced so it is either much more expensive than it is or does not do as much as it does.

No, it is expensive and it does not do "much more than fear". In fact, you can completely avoid a Time Stop if you have a good reaction time. On top of that, if you're on cc cooldown and it hits you it's basically just a short duration snare. I don't have any issues with that skill on any class tbh.

Wuuffyy · January 2019

Can we nerf the OP instead. I hate this ability but I hate forum NERFOMANCERS more.

wsmith97ub17_ESO · January 2019

Bump cost to 20k mag, done.

Sandman929 · January 2019

Playnice wrote: »

Syhae wrote: »

Playnice wrote: »

Time Stop is expensive to cast, one of the morphs is a cast time, and you can dodge roll out of it easily if you spend one iota of energy to spec some kind of stamina into your build. Stop crying that you keep getting stuck in Time Stop and put a freaking stam recovery enchant on your jewelry.

It isn't expensive to cast at all. It's the same cost of fear (3.7k magicka) while doing much more than fear can do.
The skill is too dense in effects for it's cost. Need's to be rebalanced so it is either much more expensive than it is or does not do as much as it does.

No, it is expensive and it does not do "much more than fear". In fact, you can completely avoid a Time Stop if you have a good reaction time. On top of that, if you're on cc cooldown and it hits you it's basically just a short duration snare. I don't have any issues with that skill on any class tbh.

In open world, it's like having a Nightblade grabbing your ankle and making you drag it around while it casts fear. Constantly slow and occasionally stunned.

Drdeath20 · January 2019

Its cost doubles if used within x seconds from previous cast. Probably gotta be something like 20 seconds.

Mintaka5 · January 2019

I don't know what you call this mechanic, but I'm sick of standing in the marked AOE, I dodge roll out of it, and when the bubble forms, I freeze mid-roll outside of the bubble. So annoying. I thought the formation of the AOE circle was the hint to GTFO???????

lassitershawn · January 2019

I didn't read any of it but awesome title.

Syhae · January 2019

lassitershawn wrote: »

I didn't read any of it but awesome title.

Gotta get peoples attention somehow

Teeba_Shei · January 2019

This ability definitely contributes to the overall degradation of pvp. At a glance it seems like an ability that would help fight zergs, but as is the case with most abilities in eso it is utilized by zergs to crush smaller groups. There is always one person in these zergs spamming the skill despite the fact that everyone is already CC immune.

JPcrazysquirrel3 · January 2019

So, a skill you don't like because you can't properly roll dodge out of or avoid in advance, should be nerfed?
(nevermind the fact that the whole skill line had to be bought with real money as part of an expansion, and has an excruciatingly long and boring questline)

efster · January 2019

This isn't a niche tanking ability in PVE. Certainly, it is the only AOE CC available to PVE Templar and Nightblade tanks, but it's got utility for DKs, Wardens, and Sorcs as well, since the AOE is way bigger than their class root abilities, and it will root a lot more targets than their class abilities can. Not to mention it works on targets that are not on the ground (like bats, wisps, and harpies), which AFAIK none of the class skills can do.

But even with those things, it doesn't over-perform in PVE, because you can't just mindlessly spam it at the sight of a red health bar -- position it badly/at the wrong time and you've now got CC-immune ranged mobs that you can't pull in, and the trash fight takes way longer than it needs to.

In PVP, though, it's absolutely over-performing and needs to be looked at. I think adding a cooldown where the cost increases if you cast it too soon after your previous cast, like what was done with Streak and roll-dodge, would be a good compromise. I wouldn't argue against an overall cost increase, either. A massive AOE that snares AND stuns should not be spammable.

Ertosi · January 2019

But when considering the Psijic Skill Line grind, it's underperforming.

Syhae · January 2019

JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »

So, a skill you don't like because you can't properly roll dodge out of or avoid in advance, should be nerfed?
(nevermind the fact that the whole skill line had to be bought with real money as part of an expansion, and has an excruciatingly long and boring questline)

The rationale that something purchased with real cash should be allowed to overperform is a horrible model to follow for any game designer. It is something that Zenimax has done a good job in avoiding for the most part and a reason why many games fail.

Onto the matter of why I (and I am obviously not alone in this) dislike the skill. There is no counter to the skill. With the removal of expedition and the decrease in snare immunity up time the only counter to the skill (mobility) was removed from the game.

If the skill had a counter, I would be fine in believing that it was balanced, however that is not the reality. The moment you move out of one time stop, if you even manage to in time, another one is already being placed or was preemptively placed in your destination.

Kadoin · January 2019

Mintaka5 wrote: »

I don't know what you call this mechanic, but I'm sick of standing in the marked AOE, I dodge roll out of it, and when the bubble forms, I freeze mid-roll outside of the bubble. So annoying. I thought the formation of the AOE circle was the hint to GTFO???????

Beat me to it! Though honestly, I don't think roll works as it shows visually on screen. Apparently you are in the same position as you were before you rolled until the animation finishes. So basically you are standing still in the same position with a dodge window and then teleport to the new position after the animation is finished.

When you think about it that way, if you see someone roll then its possible to drop an AoE like DB/Icy Rage and stop them mid-roll in their old position. I've tested and done it before, and I think I also posted about it a good while ago (though not in the bugs section). I honestly think this should be changed and looked at by the dev team, and/or they change the player position when the animation starts, but it seems not many players have noticed it enough to exploit it and cause massive complaints. To protect against the bug, I recommend taking advantage of invis pots short i-frame and then rolling. Invis pot, not cloak

Though how invisibility itself may be bugged in a way that makes that possible...

labambao · January 2019

Any healbot since summerset launch

Tbh it's annoying skill, but it's ok, don't complain about it

Feanor · January 2019

@NBrookus

No flag fight without time stop here too.

Zelos · January 2019

I see no problem with time stop, you just have to know how to play. It's a large broadcasted aoe, just dodge out of it.

Katahdin · January 2019

Time stop is the dumbest skill ever added to the game.

Let's make the game play even more like a slide show. Hey maybe they won't notice the lag so much if we put in a skill that freezes the game

Vapirko · February 2019

I think the cost increase is a good start but it won’t be enough. If people want this skill for PvE that’s fine, I say keep the cost as is (maybe slightly increased) but remove the snare so that you can get out of it without dodge rolling. There are so many other snares easily available it should require a coordination of say caltrops/permafrost and time stop if you want that effect. As others have said you also freeze outside the bubble, so right now it’s OP and it can be too easily cast multiple times essentially covering the bottom floor of a keep.

GallantGuardian · February 2019

Let’s just do what everyone really wants and remove it from the game cause at this point it’s gonna be a useless power pvp killed ... to hell with Templar’s and night blades who do use it and enjoy it in pve ...

FrankonPC · February 2019

JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »

So, a skill you don't like because you can't properly roll dodge out of or avoid in advance, should be nerfed?

Yes, skills you cannot counter should be nerfed.