What I’d like as a Templar tank

GallantGuardian · January 2019

So the two things that are big for me

Is a stun/immobilize that lasts for 3 seconds and hits multiple targets in a wide range

Two options I think could work

1 solar barrage morph ... make it a 3 second immobilize (which doesn’t make sense) but it would work

2 blazing spear morph could be changed into an mobilize allowing a rain of Spears to fall onto enemies surrounding you in a 25 meter radius.... get rid of the synergy on this morph make that only on the luminous shard morph

either would work

And I’d also like one Either breath of life or honor the dead tonbe morphed Into being based on your max health and a self heal... or a large self heal and heal to others in a determined radius

Repentance doesn’t count cause it has to have bodies and as we know there are not always bodies

It would be great if these options were added for us tanks

Narvuntien · January 2019

It needs to be a snare, I can use time stop for a stun but I can't time stop and pull in all the mobs into the circle and have them get stunned.

Elsterchen · January 2019

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416459/class-rep-templar-feedback-thread#latest

@GallantGuardian ... class reps are reading, posting and discussing templar issues in that thread. You are welcome to join in at any level.

GallantGuardian · January 2019

Narvuntien wrote: »

It needs to be a snare, I can use time stop for a stun but I can't time stop and pull in all the mobs into the circle and have them get stunned.

Exactly I would rather an immobilize/snare also I like time stop but it needs to be a point blank instant aoe to be viable

GallantGuardian · January 2019

Elsterchen wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416459/class-rep-templar-feedback-thread#latest

@GallantGuardian ... class reps are reading, posting and discussing templar issues in that thread. You are welcome to join in at any level.

Thanks man I didn’t even see that

jrgray93 · January 2019

Nooooo leave barrage and blazing spear alone. I definitely do want some kind of AoE root though. Can't compete with DK tanks.

ZeroXFF · January 2019

Yep, these 2 changes would bring Templar tanks back in a big way. Fully support. Once this is done, Nightblades need an AoE snare, and all classes will be viable tanks in all content.

GallantGuardian · January 2019

jrgray93 wrote: »

Nooooo leave barrage and blazing spear alone. I definitely do want some kind of AoE root though. Can't compete with DK tanks.

These were the only aoes I could think of that would could work barrage would be the better choice cause it’s an instant ability not an ability you have to place and set ... it needs to be instant and point blank...

Or they could get rid of something and put something new in its place like they did with blinding light ....

They could also change the gap closer to be an aoe immobilize for targets surrounding in a large radius and allow us to lunge point blank if need be

Or just make one of the morphs be a large aoe immobilize that Spears fall from the sky and stop them

I’m just giving out ideas

ESO_Nightingale · January 2019

GallantGuardian wrote: »

So the two things that are big for me

Is a stun/immobilize that lasts for 3 seconds and hits multiple targets in a wide range

Two options I think could work

1 solar barrage morph ... make it a 3 second immobilize (which doesn’t make sense) but it would work

2 blazing spear morph could be changed into an mobilize allowing a rain of Spears to fall onto enemies surrounding you in a 25 meter radius.... get rid of the synergy on this morph make that only on the luminous shard morph

either would work

And I’d also like one Either breath of life or honor the dead tonbe morphed Into being based on your max health and a self heal... or a large self heal and heal to others in a determined radius

Repentance doesn’t count cause it has to have bodies and as we know there are not always bodies

It would be great if these options were added for us tanks

Don't remove or buff what is already good. Rework what is underperforming. For example, hasty prayer. The skill is so expensive and its effect is a meme. What if it was the tank heal AND tank immobilise instead?

dodgehopper_ESO · January 2019

GallantGuardian wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Nooooo leave barrage and blazing spear alone. I definitely do want some kind of AoE root though. Can't compete with DK tanks.

These were the only aoes I could think of that would could work barrage would be the better choice cause it’s an instant ability not an ability you have to place and set ... it needs to be instant and point blank...

Or they could get rid of something and put something new in its place like they did with blinding light ....

They could also change the gap closer to be an aoe immobilize for targets surrounding in a large radius and allow us to lunge point blank if need be

Or just make one of the morphs be a large aoe immobilize that Spears fall from the sky and stop them

I’m just giving out ideas

Not only this but Blazing Spear use to be a CC. It got jacked hard when cc immunity was added to the game and has gotten progressively worse since then. Although now it is nice for the magplar dps crowd. I should add before the Correcto-man crowd shows up that I realize Luminous is very useful for Healers now, and Blazing is important and useful for DD's. I'm simply referring to the skill's historical past and why it would make sense to be a CC. If you could make Luminous do the Blazing Damage it might work to have an alternate cc skill but I'm not sure what other tinkering would come with the class. I do agree it would be nice for Templars to have their own version of 'Talons' and Dragonblood. It seems so strange that such a heal-heavy class stinks at healing if its not fully dedicated to magic. I do realize people refer to the snare but realistically it doesn't come across as very strong. People run in and out of the snare with ease.

GallantGuardian · January 2019

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

GallantGuardian wrote: »

So the two things that are big for me

Is a stun/immobilize that lasts for 3 seconds and hits multiple targets in a wide range

Two options I think could work

1 solar barrage morph ... make it a 3 second immobilize (which doesn’t make sense) but it would work

2 blazing spear morph could be changed into an mobilize allowing a rain of Spears to fall onto enemies surrounding you in a 25 meter radius.... get rid of the synergy on this morph make that only on the luminous shard morph

either would work

And I’d also like one Either breath of life or honor the dead tonbe morphed Into being based on your max health and a self heal... or a large self heal and heal to others in a determined radius

Repentance doesn’t count cause it has to have bodies and as we know there are not always bodies

It would be great if these options were added for us tanks

Don't remove or buff what is already good. Rework what is underperforming. For example, hasty prayer. The skill is so expensive and its effect is a meme. What if it was the tank heal AND tank immobilise instead?

I initially wanted to say this ... but I didn’t know if others would think this is op to get a max health based heal out of an immobilize agility ...

It would be the best option

The only reason I wanted solar barrage to be it is because of the passive of activating a dawns wrath ability that will give 3 ultimate

I think most Templar tanks have gotten away from bothering with power of the light ...

ESO_Nightingale · January 2019

GallantGuardian wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

GallantGuardian wrote: »

So the two things that are big for me

Is a stun/immobilize that lasts for 3 seconds and hits multiple targets in a wide range

Two options I think could work

1 solar barrage morph ... make it a 3 second immobilize (which doesn’t make sense) but it would work

2 blazing spear morph could be changed into an mobilize allowing a rain of Spears to fall onto enemies surrounding you in a 25 meter radius.... get rid of the synergy on this morph make that only on the luminous shard morph

either would work

And I’d also like one Either breath of life or honor the dead tonbe morphed Into being based on your max health and a self heal... or a large self heal and heal to others in a determined radius

Repentance doesn’t count cause it has to have bodies and as we know there are not always bodies

It would be great if these options were added for us tanks

Don't remove or buff what is already good. Rework what is underperforming. For example, hasty prayer. The skill is so expensive and its effect is a meme. What if it was the tank heal AND tank immobilise instead?

I initially wanted to say this ... but I didn’t know if others would think this is op to get a max health based heal out of an immobilize agility ...

It would be the best option

The only reason I wanted solar barrage to be it is because of the passive of activating a dawns wrath ability that will give 3 ultimate

I think most Templar tanks have gotten away from bothering with power of the light ...

i would say it should scrap the 5 second minor expedition anyway. make it immobilise everything within 5 meters of you and heal you and your allies for 30% of your max health.

GallantGuardian · January 2019

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

GallantGuardian wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

GallantGuardian wrote: »

So the two things that are big for me

Is a stun/immobilize that lasts for 3 seconds and hits multiple targets in a wide range

Two options I think could work

1 solar barrage morph ... make it a 3 second immobilize (which doesn’t make sense) but it would work

2 blazing spear morph could be changed into an mobilize allowing a rain of Spears to fall onto enemies surrounding you in a 25 meter radius.... get rid of the synergy on this morph make that only on the luminous shard morph

either would work

And I’d also like one Either breath of life or honor the dead tonbe morphed Into being based on your max health and a self heal... or a large self heal and heal to others in a determined radius

Repentance doesn’t count cause it has to have bodies and as we know there are not always bodies

It would be great if these options were added for us tanks

Don't remove or buff what is already good. Rework what is underperforming. For example, hasty prayer. The skill is so expensive and its effect is a meme. What if it was the tank heal AND tank immobilise instead?

I initially wanted to say this ... but I didn’t know if others would think this is op to get a max health based heal out of an immobilize agility ...

It would be the best option

The only reason I wanted solar barrage to be it is because of the passive of activating a dawns wrath ability that will give 3 ultimate

I think most Templar tanks have gotten away from bothering with power of the light ...

i would say it should scrap the 5 second minor expedition anyway. make it immobilise everything within 5 meters of you and heal you and your allies for 30% of your max health.

Cost would have to also be reduced to 4052... otherwise it wouldn’t be worth using

ESO_Nightingale · January 2019

GallantGuardian wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

GallantGuardian wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

GallantGuardian wrote: »

So the two things that are big for me

Is a stun/immobilize that lasts for 3 seconds and hits multiple targets in a wide range

Two options I think could work

1 solar barrage morph ... make it a 3 second immobilize (which doesn’t make sense) but it would work

2 blazing spear morph could be changed into an mobilize allowing a rain of Spears to fall onto enemies surrounding you in a 25 meter radius.... get rid of the synergy on this morph make that only on the luminous shard morph

either would work

And I’d also like one Either breath of life or honor the dead tonbe morphed Into being based on your max health and a self heal... or a large self heal and heal to others in a determined radius

Repentance doesn’t count cause it has to have bodies and as we know there are not always bodies

It would be great if these options were added for us tanks

Don't remove or buff what is already good. Rework what is underperforming. For example, hasty prayer. The skill is so expensive and its effect is a meme. What if it was the tank heal AND tank immobilise instead?

I initially wanted to say this ... but I didn’t know if others would think this is op to get a max health based heal out of an immobilize agility ...

It would be the best option

The only reason I wanted solar barrage to be it is because of the passive of activating a dawns wrath ability that will give 3 ultimate

I think most Templar tanks have gotten away from bothering with power of the light ...

i would say it should scrap the 5 second minor expedition anyway. make it immobilise everything within 5 meters of you and heal you and your allies for 30% of your max health.

Cost would have to also be reduced to 4052... otherwise it wouldn’t be worth using

that too lol.

MartiniDaniels · January 2019

DKs and Templars should run in pairs, i.e. templar tank and dk healer with claws.

GallantGuardian · January 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

DKs and Templars should run in pairs, i.e. templar tank and dk healer with claws.

Or we could just give templars a snare/immobilize and make it easier on the Templar’s

WAMB0 · January 2019

The Sun shield is an AOE. It would make sense to turn the "flashing light" into an AOE stun, which would be too OP, but immobilize bc enemies dont know where to go / hit could make sense could work out.

I rarely see this skill used anyway, but from a tanking (pve) perspective it would make sense so add it to the Radiant Ward morph.

Amarthiul · January 2019

How about making Trapping Webs / one of it's morphs from the Undaunted skill line into an AoE immobilize? Good chance to fix the synergy while they're at it.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2019

Amarthiul wrote: »

How about making Trapping Webs / one of it's morphs from the Undaunted skill line into an AoE immobilize? Good chance to fix the synergy while they're at it.

ive thought this too. the skill has problems. synergy is extremely hard to activate, you can't even see the skill half the time and tangling webs is just straight bad. tangling makes the most sense to add the immobilise to as well. you TANGLE their feet.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2019

WAMB0 wrote: »

The Sun shield is an AOE. It would make sense to turn the "flashing light" into an AOE stun, which would be too OP, but immobilize bc enemies dont know where to go / hit could make sense could work out.

I rarely see this skill used anyway, but from a tanking (pve) perspective it would make sense so add it to the Radiant Ward morph.

oh for sure, that works too!

MartiniDaniels · January 2019

GallantGuardian wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

DKs and Templars should run in pairs, i.e. templar tank and dk healer with claws.

Or we could just give templars a snare/immobilize and make it easier on the Templar’s

Then please give DK (and other tanks) ability which gives 8k resistances, costs 1k and restores 240 stamina per second.

MartiniDaniels · January 2019

Amarthiul wrote: »

How about making Trapping Webs / one of it's morphs from the Undaunted skill line into an AoE immobilize? Good chance to fix the synergy while they're at it.

Great idea! I was trying to use it just for fun and it's complete waste. If it provided immobility for 4 seconds and had larger radius it will be good aoe cc. Still worse then claws but at least it will allow to do the job.

GallantGuardian · January 2019

WAMB0 wrote: »

The Sun shield is an AOE. It would make sense to turn the "flashing light" into an AOE stun, which would be too OP, but immobilize bc enemies dont know where to go / hit could make sense could work out.

I rarely see this skill used anyway, but from a tanking (pve) perspective it would make sense so add it to the Radiant Ward morph.

I’d hate for them to nerf the shield part of radiant ward tho ther shield is so strong right now I use it s lot while tanking ...

This is why I keep falling back on solar barrage ... do a lot of dps even use it ? It would be nice to have a dawns wrath ability on my main bar to use for the passives ...

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · January 2019

Use time freeze.

GallantGuardian · January 2019

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Use time freeze.

It’s not instant I want something instant and point blank... I don’t think that’s to much to ask warden has one dk has one ...it looks like necromancer will be getting one...

As a Templar tank I’d like one

StarOfElyon · January 2019

WAMB0 wrote: »

The Sun shield is an AOE. It would make sense to turn the "flashing light" into an AOE stun, which would be too OP, but immobilize bc enemies dont know where to go / hit could make sense could work out.

I rarely see this skill used anyway, but from a tanking (pve) perspective it would make sense so add it to the Radiant Ward morph.

This is what I think as well. The first sun shield morph should temporarily stun opponents or at least put them off balance, leaving them vulnerable to attack. If the power scales based on max health it'll keep it as a tank-only attack.

Kadoin · January 2019

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

GallantGuardian wrote: »

So the two things that are big for me

Is a stun/immobilize that lasts for 3 seconds and hits multiple targets in a wide range

Two options I think could work

1 solar barrage morph ... make it a 3 second immobilize (which doesn’t make sense) but it would work

2 blazing spear morph could be changed into an mobilize allowing a rain of Spears to fall onto enemies surrounding you in a 25 meter radius.... get rid of the synergy on this morph make that only on the luminous shard morph

either would work

And I’d also like one Either breath of life or honor the dead tonbe morphed Into being based on your max health and a self heal... or a large self heal and heal to others in a determined radius

Repentance doesn’t count cause it has to have bodies and as we know there are not always bodies

It would be great if these options were added for us tanks

Don't remove or buff what is already good. Rework what is underperforming. For example, hasty prayer. The skill is so expensive and its effect is a meme. What if it was the tank heal AND tank immobilise instead?

I actually use that skill and its far from a "meme" in PvP when you heal over 20K with it and have enough mag regen to spam it.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · January 2019

GallantGuardian wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Use time freeze.

It’s not instant I want something instant and point blank... I don’t think that’s to much to ask warden has one dk has one ...it looks like necromancer will be getting one...

As a Templar tank I’d like one

. Time Freeze
Freeze the passage of time at the target location, gradually reducing the Movement Speed of enemies in the area over 4 seconds before finally stunning them in place for 3 seconds when the duration completes. Removes the cast time, but it takes longer to stun enemies.

A 4 second, no cast time, slow followed by a stuns. Exactly what you are asking for.

. Instant Cast Time
Ground Target
8 meters Radius
28 meters Range

28 meter range with an 8 meter stun/slow radius. You also aware that you can cast it on yourself, point blank if you will. You can even turn on the quick cast ground ablitys in the menu and you don't even need to double tap the skill.

Have you even tried to use this skill?

Also sorc has a AOE immobilize, not just warden/dk.

GallantGuardian · January 2019

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

GallantGuardian wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Use time freeze.

It’s not instant I want something instant and point blank... I don’t think that’s to much to ask warden has one dk has one ...it looks like necromancer will be getting one...

As a Templar tank I’d like one

. Time Freeze
Freeze the passage of time at the target location, gradually reducing the Movement Speed of enemies in the area over 4 seconds before finally stunning them in place for 3 seconds when the duration completes. Removes the cast time, but it takes longer to stun enemies.

A 4 second, no cast time, slow followed by a stuns. Exactly what you are asking for.

. Instant Cast Time
Ground Target
8 meters Radius
28 meters Range

28 meter range with an 8 meter stun/slow radius. You also aware that you can cast it on yourself, point blank if you will. You can even turn on the quick cast ground ablitys in the menu and you don't even need to double tap the skill.

Have you even tried to use this skill?

Also sorc has a AOE immobilize, not just warden/dk.

I believe i addressed this ability earlier in this thread before you mentioned time stop...

Yes i use this ability ...(i had no idea you could remove the double click cast time... that will help a lot with it...)

That said i still want my own from my own class..

For starters people are trying ot get it nerfed into uselessness and have been since its inception... (time stop).. which means eventually pvp will cry hard enough and get it nerfed...

I want something like talons or ice shards.. sine its not a stun just an immobilize and there will be no argument against it being too strong since it would work exactly like it.....

If they tacked the heal onto it..wish say honor the dead or ... lowered the cost of one of the morphs from healing ritual making it not only an immobilize ability but also a heal based on max health than that would be two birds and one stone on my templar tank...

So yes ive heard of and use time stop....and i really like it.. but i see it getting nerfed by crying pvp players (i dont pvp)...

Drdeath20 · January 2019

It seems pretty terrible in pvp but nerfed to uselessness in pve would be pretty tricky.

Lord_Graywolfe · January 2019

Amarthiul wrote: »

How about making Trapping Webs / one of it's morphs from the Undaunted skill line into an AoE immobilize? Good chance to fix the synergy while they're at it.

I have thought about this too, there really needs to be a stam CC skill and this would be perfect for it. Redoing the morph Tangling Web so that it immobilizes at cast for 3 seconds then web burst for damage and 3 seconds of reduced speed. Make the radius 6m like the other magic skills.