Racial Passive Changes - Cloaked Global Nerf

Lab3360 · January 2019

Seriously? This was the big change that was ushered as Big Game Improvement.

Health Tanks - Nerf
Magika Dps - Nerf
Stamina Dps - Nerf

Youre so called racial passive changed pretty much eliminated racial defining skills/passive. Zos either eliminated it certain passives or nerf them so badly where they will no long have any real effectiveness in endgame builds. You basically made ever Race so generic, they all will feel exactly the same.

So, what is the point in even having racial passives if the passive really wont matter. Why not make races simply a cosmetic difference only.

You have a lot of people who based builds around these passive since the inception of the game. Now you decide to pull the rug from underneath these players who were just working with established perameters by Zos.

This is biggest crock of you know what ever.

This does nothing regarding making races more versatile. Well, I mean of you include making races so generic to the point they are all function practically the same, then yes, they are versatile.

What a rip off. We thought there were going to be morphs to the passives. Something new. Nerfs are not new and they dont bring new customers, and the dont encourage loyal ones to stay.

29% of the playerbase does not want to see these changes. Thats a lot of people. Please listen!.

Turelus · January 2019

Lab3360 wrote: »

29% of the playerbase does not want to see these changes. Thats a lot of people. Please listen!.

29% of the player base or 29% of the people on the forums.

I mean even if it was 29% of the entire community that's far from a majority vote.

CipherNine · January 2019

what is with this nonsense that racial passives make you so special and unique. They don't. They are just stat buffs. big freaking deal. That doesn't make you unique in the least. No matter what the passives are. You are not different than any other player of the same race. Race should be nothing but a cosmetic choice or whatever alliance you want to be a part of.

Heimpai · January 2019

CipherNine wrote: »

what is with this nonsense that racial passives make you so special and unique. They don't. They are just stat buffs. big freaking deal. That doesn't make you unique in the least. No matter what the passives are. You are not different than any other player of the same race. Race should be nothing but a cosmetic choice or whatever alliance you want to be a part of.

True but that’s not the path they chose now is it?

Lab3360 · January 2019

No. Its not the direction they went. This is ludacris.

Lab3360 · January 2019

CipherNine wrote: »

what is with this nonsense that racial passives make you so special and unique. They don't. They are just stat buffs. big freaking deal. That doesn't make you unique in the least. No matter what the passives are. You are not different than any other player of the same race. Race should be nothing but a cosmetic choice or whatever alliance you want to be a part of.

Lol...um builds include stats, and buffs which in turn effect the way a character behave depending on race, role, class, skill, passives and skills being utilized.
Ummmm....thats pretty special

WoppaBoem · January 2019

I like them overall they look very good.

Lab3360 · January 2019

WoppaBoem wrote: »

I like them overall they look very good.

Whats so good about them?

Girl_Number8 · January 2019

Lab3360 wrote: »

Seriously? This was the big change that was ushered as Big Game Improvement.

Health Tanks - Nerf
Magika Dps - Nerf
Stamina Dps - Nerf

Youre so called racial passive changed pretty much eliminated racial defining skills/passive. Zos either eliminated it certain passives or nerf them so badly where they will no long have any real effectiveness in endgame builds. You basically made ever Race so generic, they all will feel exactly the same.

So, what is the point in even having racial passives if the passive really wont matter. Why not make races simply a cosmetic difference only.

You have a lot of people who based builds around these passive since the inception of the game. Now you decide to pull the rug from underneath these players who were just working with established perameters by Zos.

This is biggest crock of you know what ever.

This does nothing regarding making races more versatile. Well, I mean of you include making races so generic to the point they are all function practically the same, then yes, they are versatile.

What a rip off. We thought there were going to be morphs to the passives. Something new. Nerfs are not new and they dont bring new customers, and the dont encourage loyal ones to stay.

29% of the playerbase does not want to see these changes. Thats a lot of people. Please listen!.

I agree. Though beyond a nerf this is a really greedy move with the race change tokens to end-game players that have been here from the beginning, as well.

Now that the class reps have a NDA, it will be even more complicated to communicate with Zos beyond the forums.

Though what did you expect honestly, this is Zos's mo. Bring in the new and forget about the long time players. They are dumbing things down but at least there's a necromancer, lol.

Lab3360 · January 2019

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Seriously? This was the big change that was ushered as Big Game Improvement.

Health Tanks - Nerf
Magika Dps - Nerf
Stamina Dps - Nerf

Youre so called racial passive changed pretty much eliminated racial defining skills/passive. Zos either eliminated it certain passives or nerf them so badly where they will no long have any real effectiveness in endgame builds. You basically made ever Race so generic, they all will feel exactly the same.

So, what is the point in even having racial passives if the passive really wont matter. Why not make races simply a cosmetic difference only.

You have a lot of people who based builds around these passive since the inception of the game. Now you decide to pull the rug from underneath these players who were just working with established perameters by Zos.

This is biggest crock of you know what ever.

This does nothing regarding making races more versatile. Well, I mean of you include making races so generic to the point they are all function practically the same, then yes, they are versatile.

What a rip off. We thought there were going to be morphs to the passives. Something new. Nerfs are not new and they dont bring new customers, and the dont encourage loyal ones to stay.

29% of the playerbase does not want to see these changes. Thats a lot of people. Please listen!.

I agree. Though beyond a nerf there is really greedy move with the race change tokens to end-game players that have been here from the beginning, as well.

Now that the class reps have a NDA, it will be even more complicated to communicate with Zos beyond the forums.

Though what did you expect honestly, this is Zos's mo. Bring in the new and forget about the long time players. They are dumbing things down but at least there's a necromancer, lol.

Yeah. I wont buy it if they go through with the racial changes. Necromancer will not redeem the racial passives and loyalty.

This is smack in the face to long time players and endgame players

eso_lags · January 2019

Lab3360 wrote: »

Seriously? This was the big change that was ushered as Big Game Improvement.

Health Tanks - Nerf
Magika Dps - Nerf
Stamina Dps - Nerf

Youre so called racial passive changed pretty much eliminated racial defining skills/passive. Zos either eliminated it certain passives or nerf them so badly where they will no long have any real effectiveness in endgame builds. You basically made ever Race so generic, they all will feel exactly the same.

So, what is the point in even having racial passives if the passive really wont matter. Why not make races simply a cosmetic difference only.

You have a lot of people who based builds around these passive since the inception of the game. Now you decide to pull the rug from underneath these players who were just working with established perameters by Zos.

This is biggest crock of you know what ever.

This does nothing regarding making races more versatile. Well, I mean of you include making races so generic to the point they are all function practically the same, then yes, they are versatile.

What a rip off. We thought there were going to be morphs to the passives. Something new. Nerfs are not new and they dont bring new customers, and the dont encourage loyal ones to stay.

29% of the playerbase does not want to see these changes. Thats a lot of people. Please listen!.

It doesnt matter what 29% of players want because most of the player base arent competitive players. Zos cares very little about competitive pve players and doesnt care at all about competitive pvp players.

This is the whole point of making everything as even as possible and trying to streamline every class/race to be able to do everything. But in the process they are hurting the game..

Some changes looked good but others are just a joke. And the funniest part of it is that they expect to only give us one race change.. After that its [edited to remove profanity] pay me. Even when certain classes rely heavily on certain parts of the racial passives. And anyone that says it doesn't matter has zero credibility imo.

Removing percentages is a fail. The orc changes are a fail and a nerf to most stam sorcs, already under powered compared to every other class, since many play orcs. The wood elf speed is a joke. Nord will probably be very strong. And thats just a few of my issues with this but there are many more.

CipherNine · January 2019

Yeah. I wont buy it if they go through with the racial changes. Necromancer will not redeem the racial passives and loyalty.

This is smack in the face to long time players and endgame players

lol what..you can't all of a sudden play end game content just because there is more options for people to play the race they want? seems rather selfish of you.

Girl_Number8 · January 2019

Lab3360 wrote: »

CipherNine wrote: »

what is with this nonsense that racial passives make you so special and unique. They don't. They are just stat buffs. big freaking deal. That doesn't make you unique in the least. No matter what the passives are. You are not different than any other player of the same race. Race should be nothing but a cosmetic choice or whatever alliance you want to be a part of.

Lol...um builds include stats, and buffs which in turn effect the way a character behave depending on race, role, class, skill, passives and skills being utilized.
Ummmm....thats pretty special

Very well put.

Lab3360 · January 2019

CipherNine wrote: »

Yeah. I wont buy it if they go through with the racial changes. Necromancer will not redeem the racial passives and loyalty.

This is smack in the face to long time players and endgame players

lol what..you can't all of a sudden play end game content just because there is more options for people to play the race they want? seems rather selfish of you.

Lol. You dont understand math very well. The nerfs only give you that illusion because by reducing the larger passives, it makes the difference between races less, but the valuenof the lesser remains mostly the same.

CipherNine · January 2019

Lab3360 wrote: »

CipherNine wrote: »

Yeah. I wont buy it if they go through with the racial changes. Necromancer will not redeem the racial passives and loyalty.

This is smack in the face to long time players and endgame players

lol what..you can't all of a sudden play end game content just because there is more options for people to play the race they want? seems rather selfish of you.

Lol. You dont understand math very well. The nerfs only give you that illusion because by reducing the larger passives, it makes the difference between races less, but the valuenof the lesser remains mostly the same.

So you are another one of those players that can't adapt to nerfs? If a few passives effect your game that much then it's own problem.

SaintSubwayy · January 2019

Turelus wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

29% of the playerbase does not want to see these changes. Thats a lot of people. Please listen!.

29% of the player base or 29% of the people on the forums.

I mean even if it was 29% of the entire community that's far from a majority vote.

well those 29% voting here, ma represet more than you think...I bet that more than 50% of the community dont even show up in the intl. Forums.
And from the remaining 50%, 40-50% do simply not care, or are uneffected by those changes, (or so little effected that they wont notice)

As a Dunmer Dk these changes screwes my whole build over, and makes my Char now completly obsolete in PVE Progression, even IF I decide to change.
The only thing keepin me in my Progression groups is the lvl of Skill, and the understanding how other classes play, and beeing able to quickly lear and adapt on other classes, on a progressive lvl fit for the Raid we're doin.

But my DK will get parked, unless the Class gets buffed, cause even swapping to Altmer is a DPS nerf of atleast 4k in a Raid.

sekou_trayvond · January 2019

Lab3360 wrote: »

No. Its not the direction they went. This is ludacris.

lol

In my mind this is how I think milennials believe 'ludicrous' is spelled.

Lab3360 · January 2019

eso_lags wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Seriously? This was the big change that was ushered as Big Game Improvement.

Health Tanks - Nerf
Magika Dps - Nerf
Stamina Dps - Nerf

Youre so called racial passive changed pretty much eliminated racial defining skills/passive. Zos either eliminated it certain passives or nerf them so badly where they will no long have any real effectiveness in endgame builds. You basically made ever Race so generic, they all will feel exactly the same.

So, what is the point in even having racial passives if the passive really wont matter. Why not make races simply a cosmetic difference only.

You have a lot of people who based builds around these passive since the inception of the game. Now you decide to pull the rug from underneath these players who were just working with established perameters by Zos.

This is biggest crock of you know what ever.

This does nothing regarding making races more versatile. Well, I mean of you include making races so generic to the point they are all function practically the same, then yes, they are versatile.

What a rip off. We thought there were going to be morphs to the passives. Something new. Nerfs are not new and they dont bring new customers, and the dont encourage loyal ones to stay.

29% of the playerbase does not want to see these changes. Thats a lot of people. Please listen!.

It doesnt matter what 29% of players want because most of the player base arent competitive players. Zos cares very little about competitive pve players and doesnt care at all about competitive pvp players.

This is the whole point of making everything as even as possible and trying to streamline every class/race to be able to do everything. But in the process they are hurting the game..

Some changes looked good but others are just a joke. And the funniest part of it is that they expect to only give us one race change.. After that its f*** you pay me. Even when certain classes rely heavily on certain parts of the racial passives. And anyone that says it doesn't matter has zero credibility imo.

Removing percentages is a fail. The orc changes are a fail and a nerf to most stam sorcs, already under powered compared to every other class, since many play orcs. The wood elf speed is a joke. Nord will probably be very strong. And thats just a few of my issues with this but there are many more.

Im going agree with you as much as it pains me regarding the 1st sentence in youre statement. And the problem isnt just Zos. Its entire AAA game industry. They are all going to this model. And Im sick of it. Im tired of paying to grind just to get back to a level of success I originally had only to be nerfed again and hit with some cockamamie sceme that requires me to pay just to do the work all over again.

This is fn bs.

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

29% of the playerbase does not want to see these changes. Thats a lot of people. Please listen!.

29% of the player base or 29% of the people on the forums.

I mean even if it was 29% of the entire community that's far from a majority vote.

well those 29% voting here, ma represet more than you think...I bet that more than 50% of the community dont even show up in the intl. Forums.
And from the remaining 50%, 40-50% do simply not care, or are uneffected by those changes, (or so little effected that they wont notice)

As a Dunmer Dk these changes screwes my whole build over, and makes my Char now completly obsolete in PVE Progression, even IF I decide to change.
The only thing keepin me in my Progression groups is the lvl of Skill, and the understanding how other classes play, and beeing able to quickly lear and adapt on other classes, on a progressive lvl fit for the Raid we're doin.

But my DK will get parked, unless the Class gets buffed, cause even swapping to Altmer is a DPS nerf of atleast 4k in a Raid.

So what are you going to do?
I have no idea what im going to do with some of my builds.

My Big Health tanks are toast. Undeath passive is a waste now. Health not high enough to trigger at a threshold where it makes more sense for a tank.

Altmer Mag Dps sustain will be terrible

MagDK takes a terrible hit.

Lab3360 · January 2019

sekou_trayvond wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

No. Its not the direction they went. This is ludacris.

lol

In my mind this is how I think milennials believe 'ludicrous' is spelled.

Lol

1. Im probably old enough to be youre father

2. My kids use my phone and it comes up in dictionary as auto.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · January 2019

Every endgame DPS build will lose power because of these changes. That fact is unavoidable. You are on a vertical progression treadmill. ZOS buffs your gear and nerfs your racials.

This is just a down payment for power creep. Nothing else. After these changes are implemented, the game will have to be nerfed again next update.

Lab3360 · January 2019

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Every endgame DPS build will lose power because of these changes. That fact is unavoidable. You are on a vertical progression treadmill. ZOS buffs your gear and nerfs your racials.

This is just a down payment for power creep. Nothing else. After these changes are implemented, the game will have to be nerfed again next update.

Yeah. I can see my self playing less and less. This is truly unrewarding.

Undefwun · January 2019

Lab3360 wrote: »

No. Its not the direction they went. This is ludacris.

No this is Ludacris

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

As a Dunmer Dk these changes screwes my whole build over, and makes my Char now completly obsolete in PVE Progression, even IF I decide to change.
The only thing keepin me in my Progression groups is the lvl of Skill, and the understanding how other classes play, and beeing able to quickly lear and adapt on other classes, on a progressive lvl fit for the Raid we're doin.

But my DK will get parked, unless the Class gets buffed, cause even swapping to Altmer is a DPS nerf of atleast 4k in a Raid.

Why do changes bring out this "Chicken Little" Syndrome in people. "Completely obsolete" seems like a complete over reaction.

Aren't the changes more or less universal across the races... won't everyone have less stats now that they moved to flat values.... so everyone will be doing less dps. So it's not just you.

You're fine. You're pixels will be fine. You will not be outcast from your guild for being completely obsolete. It will be ok

I thought the changes were much better than expected. They seemed subtle enough for a company know to carpet bomb nerf hammers the size of 40lb sledge hammers on 'problems'...

Siohwenoeht · January 2019

@Lab3360 do you have some super secret special access to the pts and can show us some in-game numbers about how these new passives affect builds? As far as I know, not a single person can say with certainty until this hits pts what it will do. So unless you can show me pts combat logs, sod off. So tired of these rant threads with absolutely nothing to back them up.

Edit: spl and grammar.

Lab3360 · January 2019

Undefwun wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

No. Its not the direction they went. This is ludacris.

No this is Ludacris

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

As a Dunmer Dk these changes screwes my whole build over, and makes my Char now completly obsolete in PVE Progression, even IF I decide to change.
The only thing keepin me in my Progression groups is the lvl of Skill, and the understanding how other classes play, and beeing able to quickly lear and adapt on other classes, on a progressive lvl fit for the Raid we're doin.

But my DK will get parked, unless the Class gets buffed, cause even swapping to Altmer is a DPS nerf of atleast 4k in a Raid.

Why do changes bring out this "Chicken Little" Syndrome in people. "Completely obsolete" seems like a complete over reaction.

Aren't the changes more or less universal across the races... won't everyone have less stats now that they moved to flat values.... so everyone will be doing less dps. So it's not just you.

You're fine. You're pixels will be fine. You will not be outcast from your guild for being completely obsolete. It will be ok

Good you know who that guys is. I grew up to Toni Baxton, Joan Jett and Tom petty.

Lab3360 · January 2019

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

@Lab3360 do you have some super secret special access to the pts and can show us some in-game numbers about how these new passives affect builds? As far as I know, not a single person can say with certainty until this hits pts what it will do. So unless you can show me pts combat logs, sod off. So tired of these rant threads with absolutely nothing to back them up.

Edit: spl and grammar.

Wow. Simple math. No pts needed.
You can also use online character build sheets. No secret necessary.

Tired of casuals coming on here happy about more definition being removed from game.

Lab3360 · January 2019

Undefwun wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

No. Its not the direction they went. This is ludacris.

No this is Ludacris

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

As a Dunmer Dk these changes screwes my whole build over, and makes my Char now completly obsolete in PVE Progression, even IF I decide to change.
The only thing keepin me in my Progression groups is the lvl of Skill, and the understanding how other classes play, and beeing able to quickly lear and adapt on other classes, on a progressive lvl fit for the Raid we're doin.

But my DK will get parked, unless the Class gets buffed, cause even swapping to Altmer is a DPS nerf of atleast 4k in a Raid.

Why do changes bring out this "Chicken Little" Syndrome in people. "Completely obsolete" seems like a complete over reaction.

Aren't the changes more or less universal across the races... won't everyone have less stats now that they moved to flat values.... so everyone will be doing less dps. So it's not just you.

You're fine. You're pixels will be fine. You will not be outcast from your guild for being completely obsolete. It will be ok

I thought the changes were much better than expected. They seemed subtle enough for a company know to carpet bomb nerf hammers the size of 40lb sledge hammers on 'problems'...

Same reason why changed bring out casuals with there trash builds not hitting more than 15k dps and cant clear dps checks in COA 2.

Or tanks that cant clear Moonhunter keep because of casual trash builds.

Because, well, you know, passive and numbers dont matter in this game.

Fischblut · January 2019

My main is khajiit cause she likes those criminal passives. When I saw notes, especially this part:

Stealthy: Reduce detection radius by 3m and Increase damage from Stealth by 10% → Lunar Blessings: Increases your Max Health, Magicka, and Stamina by 750.

I became very sad and was going to change her to Imperial for looks and better passives. Then I saw:

Carnage: Increase Weapon Critical Chance by 8% → Feline Ambush: Increases your Weapon and Spell Critical Chance by 8%. Reduces your detection radius in Stealth by 5m.

OK, my main thief can remain khajiit

It's the only upcoming change I'm happy about...

Siohwenoeht · January 2019

Lab3360 wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

@Lab3360 do you have some super secret special access to the pts and can show us some in-game numbers about how these new passives affect builds? As far as I know, not a single person can say with certainty until this hits pts what it will do. So unless you can show me pts combat logs, sod off. So tired of these rant threads with absolutely nothing to back them up.

Edit: spl and grammar.

Wow. Simple math. No pts needed.
You can also use online character build sheets. No secret necessary.

Tired of casuals coming on here happy about more definition being removed from game.

So I'll take that as a no, you don't have pts logs to prove what you are assuming?

That and the online build editors won't have updated yet unless you know of a specific one that has.

Frankly it seems like all you ever do is rage on changes... Maybe it's time for you to move on to something more enjoyable for you.

Undefwun · January 2019

Lab3360 wrote: »

Good you know who that guys is. I grew up to Toni Baxton, Joan Jett and Tom petty.

Yeah so? That sounded dismissive.

Breh, I grew up with whole lot of different music from the same era, on vinyl too (since we being music snobs)... I am no spring chicken and Ludacris is still that dude. You just seem like a negative person.

Well someone of your age who (just like me) didn't grow up with a spell check built into everything, (but probably does in his browser), you should know how to spell 'ludicrous' then.

Or were you just that hysterical about the sky falling on ESO that you just couldn't spell anymore...

PS it was a friendly ribbing... take a seat or two and chill.

zaria · January 2019

it was pretty obvious it would be an nerf.

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Every endgame DPS build will lose power because of these changes. That fact is unavoidable. You are on a vertical progression treadmill. ZOS buffs your gear and nerfs your racials.

This is just a down payment for power creep. Nothing else. After these changes are implemented, the game will have to be nerfed again next update.

Has to compensate for spell strategist and other new sets.
Pretty much an global nerf yes.
An move from the +10% resource to fixed numbers.

Lab3360 · January 2019

Undefwun wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Good you know who that guys is. I grew up to Toni Baxton, Joan Jett and Tom petty.

Yeah so? That sounded dismissive.

Breh, I grew up with whole lot of different music from the same era, on vinyl too (since we being music snobs)... I am no spring chicken and Ludacris is still that dude. You just seem like a negative person.

Well someone of your age who (just like me) didn't grow up with a spell check built into everything, (but probably does in his browser), you should know how to spell 'ludicrous' then.

Or were you just that hysterical about the sky falling on ESO that you just couldn't spell anymore...

PS it was a friendly ribbing... take a seat or two and chill.

Nahh

Dont want to.
Im not happy about changes.

And thats ok. My money spent.
So, yeah. I have every right not to chill.

And I wont.