Turelus wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I voted on unlimited for one month, although maybe a couple of weeks is a better amount of time.

I won't make use of it myself, but I don't see why there needs to be a limit after such an overhaul. Give everyone a couple of weeks to make changes, carry on and forget it happened.

Not going to happen, these changes were made in very subtle manner but general purpose is to earn cash on those tickets

I think that's stretching it.

We've been asking for them for a long time. Also most race/role combos didn't change that much. The main reason to change would be for people chasing the "very best"

Which matters to some of us. A lot. And pretty much anything with a percent has been messed up.. A lot. For example, instead of getting 6% max health/stam, my stam sorc is now getting 500. Im not sure why they thought 500 was fair, but its not its just pathetic. Also, instead of getting 20% health recovery and 5% healing, I am getting 480 health restored every 4 seconds and 4% healing.

Thats a massive nerf to my stam sorc that relies on health recovery since we have zero healing passives to combat defile builds. We dont have purify and healing passives like stamplar.. We dont have image, cloak, and a healing ult like stamblade. We dont have flashy healing skills and healing passives like warden. We dont have healing major mending, corrosive, and other healing passives like stam dk. We have our racial passives, and now we dont.

This matters a lot. Even without a health recov build with TK, and especially when im playing solo.. But i hope you are right, I hope they wont put a limit on it the change tokens. Once per character is fine with me. And on per account? Well i can only describe that as disgusting. But to be honest, i just dont see them changing this.

ATomiX96 wrote: »

1 per character? are you high? 15x3k = 45k do you really think ZOS is gonna gift us 300$ worth of crowns?

No, they should make another half of the playerbase ragequit, it's better.

Tawniey wrote: »

I honestly feel like those who are severely worked up about the racial stat updates are kind of missing the point of this.

It's not that they're rearranging which race is going to be best at what. They're leveling the playing field so that racial choice doesn't matter as much when considering builds. Right now if you play magdps, you pretty much have to be an Altmer/Dunmer/Breton. If you're stamdps, your choices come down to Bosmer/Khajiit/Redguard. Healing? Argonian. Maybe Breton. Tanking of course goes to Imperials, Orcs and Nords.

While yes, it makes some amount of lore sense to say that each race would lean toward a different role talent, there's a huge difference between "Altmer tend to be good with magic inherently, so you'll probably see a few more mages than warriors." and "Altmer who want to play stamdps are just be missing out on a huge chunk of their main damage scaling resource, whether or not they choose to waste the 9 skill points to max the line".

One is: "Hey, I'm enjoying X aspect of my class, so I think I'll go with that role. It's also neat because I have a helpful and unique passive for being this race!"
The other is: "Screw character design-- if I want to play the game effectively and be welcomed into difficult end-game content, I have to decide from the start exactly what playstyle I want to pursue on this toon, or purchase a change later for money."

This update isn't going to suddenly mean that in order to be The Best Min-Maxed Tank, you'll have to change your race from Imperial to Dunmer. It's going to mean that your Imperial tank isn't going to be vastly better at their role than your Dunmer tank. And that's the way it should be.

You shouldn't have to choose between enjoying difficult or competitive gameplay and having fun creating an interesting character who is rooted in the game's lore and story.

A successful game lets you do both.

They're leveling the playing field so that racial choice doesn't matter as much when considering builds

It actually should matter. 100%. Why should every class and race be able to do everything? Why should some players not be able to make the right choice to get the best race, all around, for what they want to do?

And this is a huge problem on the forums and in the world. You are looking at things so one sided. You dont even mention pvp or what races are good for what in pvp. And if you dont know or care its fine but this is the issue with zos. They dont seem to know or care either, and thats a big problem.

If the game started out like you are saying, then whatever. But it didnt. This is how its been. Now they are turning things upside down and want us to PAY THEM because of it. Im sorry but so many of these changes are terrible. Some are alright, and a couple look very strong. But I have 12 max characters. All with different purposes. At least half of those are going to be severely impacted in a negative way, for what i want to do with them, if i dont race change..

These things matter. Especially at end game when you are doing competitive pve or small scale/solo pvp. And it really matters in solo pvp.


You shouldn't have to choose between enjoying difficult or competitive gameplay and having fun creating an interesting character who is rooted in the game's lore and story.

Yes you should. If you want THE BEST. If you want to min max, yes you should.. If you want to run around on a wood elf mag sorc healer then DO IT! You can make it work. But why should we not be able to min max because some people are worried about the lore? Sometimes you cant have it both ways!! Im not worried about the lore, and i can min max. If you are worried about the lore you can still make whatever character you want and do almost anything in game..

If you start the game as a breton DK and then a little ways down the road you realize you want to be a stam dk, you can always make a new character. But for us who have multiple characters, maxed out with everything, then we have to race change or buy more character slots. That costs money, as you said.

And maybe you want to be a breton stam dk. Maybe its lore friendly to you. Well thats great, but sometimes you cant have it both ways. You can still do all content in the game. Maybe some trials guilds wouldnt want you, but you could do everything, especially if you become good at the game.. But why should I not be able to min max, and pick the right race, because you want to be a breton stam dk??

I guess could delete my characters and restart but thats insane. People who picked the wrong race for the play style they want made a mistake. We did not. We should not be punished.. Actually, im sure many of us did pick the wrong race early on. Like my redguard mag dk, that i race changed to dark elf. My first character. I stuck with it, and learned the game.. After that i looked into the classes, tested things, and looked up the racial passives, before making characters, and chose the best ones for my class. If someone did not do this, then its their fault. This is how mmos are. Either test it yourself or look it up.

And to be fair, some classes already were good for multiple things. Like a nord, you could be a nord on any stam class, or tank, and do fine. Oddly enough nord seems to have gotten a huge buff, but i think its good that there were classes like that. My 2 biggest issues are the percentage changes and the race change tokens. Zos needs to stop with these blanket nerfs. Its disgusting and they refuse to learn their lesson. And one token per account is also disgusting. One per character, per account, is fair.

Wish there was an other option but I think 1 token per each character is fair. Though this is Zo$ we are talking about. I knew it was going to be bad when they announced we were getting 1 free token and they didn't disappoint.