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Why race change when there is only 1 race?

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Why race change when there is only 1 race?

So you're going to change which one of your 8 characters for free and pay for the other 7 yourself?
Provided you wish to change after the racial changes as they are significantly affected.

Thats a 21000 crown comment coming out of your pocket. Not very economically astute option is it?

I think asking for unlimited is unreasonable.
I think one per character might also be a bit much.
People are going to want to change every character? Really?
Maybe more than one would be better or a half off price or something for a couple of weeks.

Regardless Im not race changing any of mine.

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Why race change when there is only 1 race?

Orc?
Ghettokid approve this )

1 per CP level character.

I have 13 CP level characters. Some races are chosen for min/max, some are chosen for themes based on what they bring to the table. Many of those themes and min maxes as well are ruined by these changes.

A single race change token is offensively inadequate, especially since those of us with so many characters are likely the players spending the most on this game with subs and crowns and precious race changes.

I see race changes have been on sale in the crown store - kind of a cheap move, don’t you think? Put that out there as a “deal”, and then announce sweeping changes? I realize myself that these changes have been in the works for a while, but some people just play the game and don’t follow the latest info.

A single race change is a slap in the face for s lot do people who’ve spent a lot of money on this game.

The changes themselves are whatever. . . Well all survive, the power creep was already absurd. But a single race change? Get real. You must be joking.

I honestly feel like those who are severely worked up about the racial stat updates are kind of missing the point of this.

It's not that they're rearranging which race is going to be best at what. They're leveling the playing field so that racial choice doesn't matter as much when considering builds. Right now if you play magdps, you pretty much have to be an Altmer/Dunmer/Breton. If you're stamdps, your choices come down to Bosmer/Khajiit/Redguard. Healing? Argonian. Maybe Breton. Tanking of course goes to Imperials, Orcs and Nords.

While yes, it makes some amount of lore sense to say that each race would lean toward a different role talent, there's a huge difference between "Altmer tend to be good with magic inherently, so you'll probably see a few more mages than warriors." and "Altmer who want to play stamdps are just be missing out on a huge chunk of their main damage scaling resource, whether or not they choose to waste the 9 skill points to max the line".

One is: "Hey, I'm enjoying X aspect of my class, so I think I'll go with that role. It's also neat because I have a helpful and unique passive for being this race!"
The other is: "Screw character design-- if I want to play the game effectively and be welcomed into difficult end-game content, I have to decide from the start exactly what playstyle I want to pursue on this toon, or purchase a change later for money."

This update isn't going to suddenly mean that in order to be The Best Min-Maxed Tank, you'll have to change your race from Imperial to Dunmer. It's going to mean that your Imperial tank isn't going to be vastly better at their role than your Dunmer tank. And that's the way it should be.

You shouldn't have to choose between enjoying difficult or competitive gameplay and having fun creating an interesting character who is rooted in the game's lore and story.

A successful game lets you do both.

frostz417 wrote: »

I’m not about to have to buy 6 ***** race change tokens I swear to God

Hahahaha you're really surprised? Seriously did anyone thought ZOS will not use this opportunity, that whiners gave them, to earn some money? LOL.

Cry and pay, we WILL NEVER GET MORE THAN 1 FREE RACE CHANGE, I can bet on it

Tawniey wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Tawniey wrote: »

I honestly feel like...

No, actually, you don't need to choose optimal races to be successful in ESO unless you play competitive PVE or PVP. After the change, one will still need to play optimal races for competitive play, it will just be a different group of races.

In theory, they've made life less bad for casual players with sub-optimal builds who play in pug raids, but in practice I would bet those dumb raid leads still discriminate based on the new BIS racial hierarchy.

I'd really like you to explain to me how the very specific changes being made are going to turn all the tables on build choices. Please. I've got time. Make a chart, do some math, whatever. Here is the list of specific changes.

As you so aptly put it in your first post-- Khajiit have a better chance as casters now. I'm so sure that Khajiit has now become the clear magdps choice. Everyone go change your Altmer casters while you have the chance!

Sidenote-- dude, do you really have to be so negative about a relatively small quality of life change that likely barely impacts you? Berating players who want a Khajiiti caster? Asking Zos to buy your silence (lmao)? Now going on about how the intended benefit of this was somehow specifically directed at "sub-optimal pug casuals" (bc anyone who doesn't spend their life measuring the metric difference between a point spent in Piercing and one in Precise Strikes is probably a loser babygamer who doesn't understand l33t sk1llz)-- and that it'd fail regardless? Are you okay?

Small change you say? Let's see.

My Altmer MagSorc currently has arround 40k magicka, and 2,2 magicka recovery. Around 10% of my max magicka ~3600 comes from passive, now it will be flat 2000, it's almost twice worse. Around 200 of my magicka recovery comes from my passives, now it will be (575)/6=96 recovery per second. Again almost twice as bad.

But let's look at Bretons.
Yes they will suffer the same fate with max mag but:
Now they receive flat 100 mag recovery (more than high elves) which they haven't at all but also they get buffed their cost reduction passive over 2x from 3 to 7%.

Yeah pretty meaningless changes, riiiight.

Tawniey wrote: »

I honestly feel like those who are severely worked up about the racial stat updates are kind of missing the point of this.

It's not that they're rearranging which race is going to be best at what. They're leveling the playing field so that racial choice doesn't matter as much when considering builds. Right now if you play magdps, you pretty much have to be an Altmer/Dunmer/Breton. If you're stamdps, your choices come down to Bosmer/Khajiit/Redguard. Healing? Argonian. Maybe Breton. Tanking of course goes to Imperials, Orcs and Nords.

While yes, it makes some amount of lore sense to say that each race would lean toward a different role talent, there's a huge difference between "Altmer tend to be good with magic inherently, so you'll probably see a few more mages than warriors." and "Altmer who want to play stamdps are just be missing out on a huge chunk of their main damage scaling resource, whether or not they choose to waste the 9 skill points to max the line".

One is: "Hey, I'm enjoying X aspect of my class, so I think I'll go with that role. It's also neat because I have a helpful and unique passive for being this race!"
The other is: "Screw character design-- if I want to play the game effectively and be welcomed into difficult end-game content, I have to decide from the start exactly what playstyle I want to pursue on this toon, or purchase a change later for money."

This update isn't going to suddenly mean that in order to be The Best Min-Maxed Tank, you'll have to change your race from Imperial to Dunmer. It's going to mean that your Imperial tank isn't going to be vastly better at their role than your Dunmer tank. And that's the way it should be.

You shouldn't have to choose between enjoying difficult or competitive gameplay and having fun creating an interesting character who is rooted in the game's lore and story.

A successful game lets you do both.

I assume you didn't READ the changes. That's NOT what they are doing... AT ALL.

There are now FEWER choices for BiS. And some races are practically useless.

Other, not gonna change race. Although I'll probably use it to change hair on my main since the current hairstyle looks bad with hats.