ESO vs others MMO RPG

Oberstein · December 2018

wow 35/100
eso 86/100
ffxiv 85/100

nTranced · December 2018

I recently watched this lengthy video review (41:45 minutes) from early October 2018 where ESO is compared to WOW and FFIV (GW2/BDO are not included).

The reviewer, HeelvsBabyface says he has subscriptions to all three games and ranks them 1, 2, 3 on various aspects of gameplay/design.

I've put the categories below along with the YouTube time codes and the ranking in each section. He talks about player housing in the "Instanced Content" section but I felt this should be separate so I've listed one more category than he does in his wrap-up.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=XqQzshaBlwI

Look and Feel 00:27

1.WOW
2.ESO
3.FFIV

Levelling Up 05:50

1.ESO
2.FFIV
3.WOW

Non-instanced Based Content 11:28

1.FFIV
2.ESO
3.WOW

Crafting System 18:53

1.FFIV
2.ESO
3.WOW

Instance Based Content 24:37

1.FFIV
2.WOW
3.ESO

Player Housing 33:34

1.FFIV
2.ESO
3.WOW

PVP 35:42

1.WOW
2.ESO
3.FFIV

OVERVIEW 39:06

1.FFIV (1x4, 2x1, 3x2)
2.ESO (1x1, 2x5, 3x1)
3.WOW (1x2, 2x1, 3x4)

Bhaal5 · January 2019

gw2
Gameplay = 8
Performance = 8
Graphics = 7
Sound track = 9
Lore = 8
PvP = 9
PvE = 8
Class number and uniqueness = 8
Economic model = 6
Active players = 9

Total 80

Eso
Gameplay = 5
Performance = 3 (worse mmo ive ever played)
Graphics = 8
Sound track = 8
Lore = 8
PvP = 3 (to mich missing copared to its competition)
PvE = 4 (just no content)
Class number and uniqueness = 4 (stam/mag whoppdy dooo)
Economic model = 4
Active players = 3

Total 46

Only rating it to its main competition and being played mainly in oceanic peak times

A total of gw2's 80 vs'ing eso's 46, its about right due to eso only having half the amount of content as its competition, and the content they do have is that buggy on this side of the world. Aint worth the time nor money.

SirAxen · January 2019

RebornV3x wrote: »

lol this is a troll thread right how does FF14 get an 7 out of 10 in graphics but ESO get an 8 FF14 its probably the 2nd best looking MMO out there right now just behind BDO. ESO doesn't look better than FF14 at all this thread is funny lol ill give you an awesome just because this gave me a good laugh 10/10 troll thread.

Huh? FF14 is not even close to as gorgeous as ESO.

idk · January 2019

Jameliel wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Jameliel wrote: »

idk wrote: »

LOL. This is not OPs first foray into this area. Link provided below.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/418251/rate-eso-benchmark-for-top-mmo-on-the-market/p1

My guess, based on the games OP seems to like, is they are challenged adjusting to the more robust and flowing combat in ESO vs what seems more like turn based combat that WoW and FF have due to long GCDs involved and for the most part turret combat designs where we cannot move when using most skills. Combat in those games are much easier and simplistic.

It just makers sense due to the different designs of the games. That is ok as well because we all enjoy what we enjoy but that does not give actual value to the rankings above. I expect OP spends more time in those other games.

When you said "robust and flowing combat", did you actually mean "clunky and barely responsive"? Serious question.

Not at all. Far from it. Clunky would be waiting 2 seconds to be able to use the next skill. Clunky would be having to stand still to use more skills. The games OP likes the best are clunky and antiquated combat systems. Yes, I know some like it and have difficulty getting this one down well, but that is a skill level issue.

Have to strongly disagree. Its definitely good that you seem to have a great connection and that it works well for you. For myself, most of my pvp guildies and friends I play with, its terribly clunky in every sense of the word. Skills often need to be hit several times before they respond, even if the UI shows they went off. Potions and ultrs are slow to respond as well. This happens in PVE as well as PVP, though it's the worst when fighting other players. Having played many mmos over many years, ESOs combat stands out as exceptionally suboptimal.

I find your post odd. Outside of when server lag happens in Cyrodiil, usually due to large battles, I do not have issues like wht you are explaining. Makes me think maybe you are having issues with your UIs or an under performing rig or something.

Granted, I realize every player has different preferences, heck I had some friends that could not adjust to the more fluid combat ESO offers as they were used to the long CDs and much more fixed rotations and skill sets that we find in WoW and FF. Just as I enjoy getting away from what feels more like turn based combat found in those games I can see some would think ESO's combat is sub optimal.

idk · January 2019

nTranced wrote: »

I recently watched this lengthy video review (41:45 minutes) from early October 2018 where ESO is compared to WOW and FFIV (GW2/BDO are not included).

The reviewer, HeelvsBabyface says he has subscriptions to all three games and ranks them 1, 2, 3 on various aspects of gameplay/design.

I've put the categories below along with the YouTube time codes and the ranking in each section. He talks about player housing in the "Instanced Content" section but I felt this should be separate so I've listed one more category than he does in his wrap-up.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=XqQzshaBlwI

Look and Feel 00:27
1.WOW
2.ESO
3.FFIV

Levelling Up 05:50
1.ESO
2.FFIV
3.WOW

Non-instanced Based Content 11:28
1.FFIV
2.ESO
3.WOW

Crafting System 18:53
1.FFIV
2.ESO
3.WOW

Instance Based Content 24:37
1.FFIV
2.WOW
3.ESO

Player Housing 33:34
1.FFIV
2.ESO
3.WOW

PVP 35:42
1.WOW
2.ESO
3.FFIV

OVERVIEW 39:06
1.FFIV (1x4, 2x1, 3x2)
2.ESO (1x1, 2x5, 3x1)
3.WOW (1x2, 2x1, 3x4)

Things like this have more to do with personal opinions. Subscribing to a game does not really show depth of experience.

Granted, most of those categories you listed are truly only personal feelings whereas others do require more experience to provide a worthy oppinion. I look at the PvP part as a prime example. While I did not watch the entire video I did notice he has played WoW for a long time , maxed out character, vs FF and ESO he clearly has low level toons so I would expect he did not spend much time getting accustomed to the combat in either or the PvP designs.

I am not knocking him and probably stating the obvious. Fortunately there are different styles of MMORPGs with each offering it's own flavor for it's players.

Sylosi · January 2019

Things like this are pointless, because so much of why people like one game over another is hugely subjective.

Take something as important as combat, in ESO I have heard many times something along the lines of "This game has the best combat in any MMORPG", guess what I hear the exact same thing in GW2.

Same thing with graphics most people who comment on graphics are too dumb to separate their personal preferences for the style of graphics from how well they are actually executed, so all you get are a person's subjective view on whether the style of game X matches their taste or not.

Even things that may appear to be very minor to some are a deal breaker to others, for example I know people who played GW2 as their first MMORPG and now when they try things like ESO they simply can not stand the 'floaty' nature of the character / game engine, and stopped playing because of that alone.

killmove · January 2019

just updated the benchmark, PVP in ESO is down from 7 -> 4 because of major performance issues in cyrodiil

kylewwefan · January 2019

Hmm. The biggest things those other games are lacking. They’re not Elder Scrolls.

My son played WoW for a minute. That game is straight garbage compared to ESO. Their graphics alone should get them a negative 5000. It’s just too old to still be relevant.

How about playing with a controller instead of KBM. That was my big reason for switching to console. There was no support at that time.

This is my first and only MMO ever played. I’ll not likely start playing another one. Ever. You never feel like completed everything.

These progression type contents they keep pumping out are terrible. It’s only fun for a very small select few.

ArchMikem · January 2019

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

ESO has Khajiit . Final score: +9999

A game isnt a true RPG without catgirls.

SirCassiusClay · January 2019

I guess OP played GW2 for a day and then made this list. Funny guy.

SomeDogsAreCops · January 2019

ccmedaddy wrote: »

So the tl;dr is that ESO could be the best MMO in the market if the performance wasn't so bad. Sounds about right.

Woah there partner. I think we need more then just better performance to give it that title.

Bouldercleave · January 2019

RebornV3x wrote: »

lol this is a troll thread right how does FF14 get an 7 out of 10 in graphics but ESO get an 8 FF14 its probably the 2nd best looking MMO out there right now just behind BDO. ESO doesn't look better than FF14 at all this thread is funny lol ill give you an awesome just because this gave me a good laugh 10/10 troll thread.

And I'll give you an awesome for not using one item of punctuation

codestripper wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

codestripper wrote: »

Now, realistically speaking... This is the true rating this game should have:
ESO
Gameplay = 8
Performance = 0
Graphics = 0
Sound track = 8
Lore = 6
PvP = 7
PvE = 5
Class number and uniqueness = 3
Economic model = 0
Active players = 9

Total Score = Jenny

LOL @ PvP a 7. Seriously, have you people ever played a game with actual PvP not this laggy zergfest crap?

You must either not have gotten the reference, or are too young. Either way, thanks for your valuable input.

There may be 10 of us on the forum old enough to get the reference AND smart enough to see your pattern....

Jameliel · January 2019

idk wrote: »

Jameliel wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Jameliel wrote: »

idk wrote: »

LOL. This is not OPs first foray into this area. Link provided below.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/418251/rate-eso-benchmark-for-top-mmo-on-the-market/p1

My guess, based on the games OP seems to like, is they are challenged adjusting to the more robust and flowing combat in ESO vs what seems more like turn based combat that WoW and FF have due to long GCDs involved and for the most part turret combat designs where we cannot move when using most skills. Combat in those games are much easier and simplistic.

It just makers sense due to the different designs of the games. That is ok as well because we all enjoy what we enjoy but that does not give actual value to the rankings above. I expect OP spends more time in those other games.

When you said "robust and flowing combat", did you actually mean "clunky and barely responsive"? Serious question.

Not at all. Far from it. Clunky would be waiting 2 seconds to be able to use the next skill. Clunky would be having to stand still to use more skills. The games OP likes the best are clunky and antiquated combat systems. Yes, I know some like it and have difficulty getting this one down well, but that is a skill level issue.

Have to strongly disagree. Its definitely good that you seem to have a great connection and that it works well for you. For myself, most of my pvp guildies and friends I play with, its terribly clunky in every sense of the word. Skills often need to be hit several times before they respond, even if the UI shows they went off. Potions and ultrs are slow to respond as well. This happens in PVE as well as PVP, though it's the worst when fighting other players. Having played many mmos over many years, ESOs combat stands out as exceptionally suboptimal.

I find your post odd. Outside of when server lag happens in Cyrodiil, usually due to large battles, I do not have issues like wht you are explaining. Makes me think maybe you are having issues with your UIs or an under performing rig or something.

Granted, I realize every player has different preferences, heck I had some friends that could not adjust to the more fluid combat ESO offers as they were used to the long CDs and much more fixed rotations and skill sets that we find in WoW and FF. Just as I enjoy getting away from what feels more like turn based combat found in those games I can see some would think ESO's combat is sub optimal.

Nah. UI and computer are both fine. I find it odd you seem to have missed the hundreds of other posts in hundreds of threads with similar issues as mine. ESO has clunky combat. It isnt smooth or flowing whatsoever. Maybe for a select few who have outstanding ping, but even then with all the animation cancelling, bar swapping, and so-called weaving...no way

It has nothing to do with "turn based". The combat is factually clunky.

Definition of clunky
: clumsy in style, form, or execution

Zordrage · February 2019

i played mmo rpgs for years...

-Wildstar
-World of Warcraft
-Elder Scrolls Online
-Final Fantasy 14
-Star Wars the old republic
-Guild Wars 2
-Lineage 2
-Black Desert Online

and a bunch of others that i can't even remember anymore...
and i had and have 1 or more MAX level characters in all of them...

and you know why Eso and GW2 are 2 of my Fav MMORPGs ?

Because they don't freaking throw years of your damn progression out of the window and making all the old content obselete every few damn years !

im SICK and TIRED of freaking mmorpgs that invalidates and Throw content out of the window for the new one every damn freaking year.

both in GW2 and Eso after the expansions i can go back to old zones and collect stuff and progress in some way let it be getting gear Sets or hunting for Skill points or stealing from houses or level guilds to get their skill lines.

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jainiadral · February 2019

Zordrage wrote: »

i played mmo rpgs for years...

-Wildstar
-World of Warcraft
-Elder Scrolls Online
-Final Fantasy 14
-Star Wars the old republic
-Guild Wars 2
-Lineage 2
-Black Desert Online

and a bunch of others that i can't even remember anymore...
and i had and have 1 or more MAX level characters in all of them...

and you know why Eso and GW2 are 2 of my Fav MMORPGs ?

Because they don't freaking throw years of your damn progression out of the window and making all the old content obselete every few damn years !

im SICK and TIRED of freaking mmorpgs that invalidates and Throw content out of the window for the new one every damn freaking year.

both in GW2 and Eso after the expansions i can go back to old zones and collect stuff and progress in some way let it be getting gear Sets or hunting for Skill points or stealing from houses or level guilds to get their skill lines.

.

That's very true-- and my GW2 scourge aays, "Nice necro!" One-time gearing and single-account endgame systems are really, really nice.

That said, I'll always have a soft spot for SWTOR. No one does MMO story like SWL, ESO and SWTOR.

Rungar · February 2019

eso is easily the best of the lot for me.

had they not had trials and weaving i think it would of gotten a 10/10 from me as the rest of the game would of greatly benefited from not having those two infections.

i think they overreached with pvp so i wont condemn them for its often poor performance.

Coolits · February 2019

For me as MMO's both FFXIV and WoW trump ESO every time because in both those games you pay a sub and 99%+ of the content is earnable in-game where as in ESO you pay the sub and there is still a massive amount of items locked behind a paywall in the store and in the predatory gambling boxes.

Also I feel both WoW and FFXIV have far less bugs and run noticeably better with less lag however none of them have the Elder Scrolls IP which is the reason I still dabble.

MEBengalsFan2001 · February 2019

There are many MMOs missing from that list.

If you talk about RPG mmo you have to include one of the original MMO games in Everquest. From there you also need to look at other games that compete but maybe not as a fantasy game but is still a RPGMMO those include DCUO and Champions online. Since you included BDO you need to include other F2P games like NWO, Tera, etc...

Finally you have games like Destiny and soon to be released Anthem that have the MMO elements to them that will impact this game population if a player wants to try another type of MMO.

There are many more out there. From the ones I have played ESO is really good but its biggest flaw is the combat is clunky when compared to other games. This really makes quite a few players avoid it and play other games like NWO, DCUO, etc...

Here is what I like about eso....

1) You actually have to level up your character to 50
2) You have to play at least one character to obtain max CP
3) You have to farm for CP
4) Crafting is straight forward and yet it is not simple to obtain max crafting and different stations provide different crafting set bonuses
5) Styles - this was a great addition that was missing from the original launch
6) Homes with furnishing - another great addition that was missing from launch

What I dislike about eso or what is missing
1) Combat is still a bit clunky compared to other mmos and since I love running dungeons a clunky combat system is what keeping me from making this my primary MMO.
2) No real true guild hall for the guilds. I mean how awesome would it be to have guild only quest or a massive guild hall that requires players to help build up from the ground up, etc...

There are other things I like about ESO but I have a feeling over time they may either fall into changing their policy to generate more revenue to attract more casual players that don't enjoy spending the time gearing up their characters. For now ESO is a not a buy to advance game like some others I listed above.

Based on what I have learned from many former players; Everquest is the MMO to play; it is the so called grand daddy of MMOs.

GarnetFire17 · February 2019

I think you left out some very important things like 1. Pay model 2. How often they update the content. 3.Unique features like housing. 4. How much there is to do. 5. Character customization and cosmetics. 6. Game store model. etc... 7. toxicitiy level of the community.