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Would you like to have a class change token available, now that we're getting yet another new class?
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Doesn't seem a to a poll option for my opinion.
I wouldn't use one, but I am not entirely against their existence any more.
Then your opinion is neutral and thus is not really relevant to the poll.
You're effectively zero-sumValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake0 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.
My no vote includes wanting the name and race tokens to go away. If I want that much difference, it should be a new character, and that includes learning all the new skills.If a single character is so important to you, why would you want to change something so fundamental as its class?
That learning, by the way, is why a class change token isn't viable. Your changed character would have no experience in the class skills they couldn't access before, so they'd be horribly crippled after the re-class. It's not like the weapon, armour, and guild skills that anyone can learn, even if they don't ultimately use them. The class skills can't be learned by anyone who's not of that class, so a re-spec leaves you unable to allot points there.
Each class skill is in a specific slot. It would not be hard to translate that experience over.
So the first skill of the first tree in the list will transfer its experience to the first skill of the first tree on your new class.
It's really not that hard to figure out, though I'm not surprised as people will generally leave out obvious things to further their argument in the vague hope that no one will look into it too deeplyValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake1 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
This.If a single character is so important to you, why would you want to change something so fundamental as its class?
Class change tokens would simply result in competitive areas like PvP zones and trials being filled with the FOTM templates that would change with every update, all the more so as ZOS would see the business sense in making just enough changes in skill balancing etc each update to prompt another wave of class change token purchases.
Rather than dumb the game down even further with mass harmonisation of characters and with no decision ever taken in the game being unable to be reversed so no decision ever requires thought or responsibility, I'd far rather have very expensive crown store tokens enabling players who have completed everything in the game on at least one character to be able to create an instant maxed character. That way it would meet the demands of the few without impacting on everyone else.
You don't get to claim that "one special character" and in the same breath, rip their entire history out from under them.
Make a new alt(s), level them once, have everything you need. It's too much of a fundamental change for previous achievements to automatically apply.
Some people don't like to RP, but have crafting and /played on their main.
Not everyone is a roleplayer. I'd honestly quit if everyone wasValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake0 -
MEBengalsFan2001✭✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.I think this is long pass due; it would simply help generate more revenue from players willing to change classes.
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rafaelcsmaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, add the class change token.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
This.If a single character is so important to you, why would you want to change something so fundamental as its class?
Class change tokens would simply result in competitive areas like PvP zones and trials being filled with the FOTM templates that would change with every update, all the more so as ZOS would see the business sense in making just enough changes in skill balancing etc each update to prompt another wave of class change token purchases.
Rather than dumb the game down even further with mass harmonisation of characters and with no decision ever taken in the game being unable to be reversed so no decision ever requires thought or responsibility, I'd far rather have very expensive crown store tokens enabling players who have completed everything in the game on at least one character to be able to create an instant maxed character. That way it would meet the demands of the few without impacting on everyone else.
You don't get to claim that "one special character" and in the same breath, rip their entire history out from under them.
Make a new alt(s), level them once, have everything you need. It's too much of a fundamental change for previous achievements to automatically apply.
Some people don't like to RP, but have crafting and /played on their main.
Not everyone is a roleplayer. I'd honestly quit if everyone was
I find it amusing that people think its so big off a RP turnoff the simple change of a job in a friggin fantasy game.
Cmon there are race tokens, you can turn from a cat to a lizard and then to a big fat nord drunkard, and my sorcerer diciding he feels like joining the assassins and becoming a NB for instance is an issue?
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Urvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, add the class change token.I will just use the 3 to 5 hours needed and level another toon. I like my other 10 characters and I am not replacing one for a new class.
No one is saying we need a token to avoid the couple hours of leveling. That amount of time is minuscule compared to the potential thousands of hours worth of content completed on a main, on top of sentimental reasons. If you were to start a new necromancer main when it releases and had already done a ton of content on your previous main, you're probably never going to catch up unless you do nothing but grind all day every day. If getting a class change token required leveling a new class to 50 before swapping, I'd do that in a heartbeat. Even if you had to complete a 100 hour quest chain, it would still be worth it.
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Merlin13KAGL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, do not add the class change token.
@Luigi_Vampa Thus the disclaimer provided in this line:Luigi_Vampa wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »Its supposed to be a game and it is getting so that the grind is no longer fun...
Leveling can take a week or so if you grind it right but that is no fun.
Doing any story lines to level just gives useless reward's and takes so long.
I have eight (8) characters. I am sick of doing the Main Story line, Alliance Quests, Mages, Fighters, Undaunted Guild leveling, horse training, etc...
Let me have a token for class change.
This, from a business standpoint, is likely one of the reasons they won't be offering one any time soon.Yes please, I don't mind grinding all class skills and char to max level but things like: Horse training, undaunted grind, psijic grind, alliance war rank grind and etc are just too much..
There would be far more money to be made from Character Slot, Guild Line tokens, Mount training lessons, skillpoint accelerators/tokens, insta-level 50 tokens.
Once they start adding stuff, why would they sell one token, when, instead, they could sell 5 or 6?
Lol, how is a full career change not a fundamental change?Luigi_Vampa wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
This.If a single character is so important to you, why would you want to change something so fundamental as its class?
Class change tokens would simply result in competitive areas like PvP zones and trials being filled with the FOTM templates that would change with every update, all the more so as ZOS would see the business sense in making just enough changes in skill balancing etc each update to prompt another wave of class change token purchases.
Rather than dumb the game down even further with mass harmonisation of characters and with no decision ever taken in the game being unable to be reversed so no decision ever requires thought or responsibility, I'd far rather have very expensive crown store tokens enabling players who have completed everything in the game on at least one character to be able to create an instant maxed character. That way it would meet the demands of the few without impacting on everyone else.
You don't get to claim that "one special character" and in the same breath, rip their entire history out from under them.
Make a new alt(s), level them once, have everything you need. It's too much of a fundamental change for previous achievements to automatically apply.
How is class change a fundamental change? We can change race, but learning a new skill set is too much? Have you never changed careers? I have. I didn't used to be a carpenter, but now I am. Such a shocking and fundamental change!
Did you go up to the local courthouse, pay a one-time fee, and instantly become a master of your new trade, complete with the equivalent of all your previous trades' accomplishments, or did it actually take time?
For the career analogy:If you previously were one of the top 10 Chefs in the world (insert achievement here), it does not automatically translate to instantly becoming one of the top 10 Carpenters in the world.
This applies to any achievement beyond the basic ones, not just leaderboard, world first type stuff. Does it mean you cannot ever achieve the comparable thing with your new career (class)? Of course not. Is it automatic and guarnateed?
Absolutely not.
Racial's offer minor differences (something promised to be leveled out in the near future), so aesthetics aside, Racials are not generally going to be the difference between clearing content and not clearing content, only the relative ease with which the clear happens.
For the achievement argument, they need to add an account wide summary UI, but the individual achievements should remain tied to the original (class included) characters.
Being able to tank vMoL does not automatically mean being able to DPS vSCP, which does not automatically mean being able to heal vBRP, which does not automatically mean I can GrandOverlord 1vX, simply because I've purchase a token in the crown store.
Either wipe the achievements for the character (PvP rank, clears, all of the non-basic stuff), or make an alt and use other accelerator tokens (guild rep, skillpoints, mount training, insta50).
The achievements and time played are the argument for the tokens. Ironically, they are also the argument against.
They should be earned, by the character, in the status and setup they currently have.
So if you want to pick how you start again, I'm fine with that, but start again you should.
No I didn't become a master in my new trade. I also didn't lose all of my accomplishments from before, so why should I in the game when I change class? Sure start me at level 1 in each of the class skill lines. But I should keep my knowledge of the weapon skills, skill points and achievements and horse training. I didn't somehow forget how to ride a horse because I changed my career.
There's considerably distance between knowledge of how to craft basic styles, ride a horse, or make a pie and the ability to clear content above normal on a completely different class with completely different nuances.Either wipe the achievements for the character (PvP rank, clears, all of the non-basic stuff), or make an alt and use other accelerator tokens (guild rep, skillpoints, mount training, insta50).
By all means, keep the things common to all characters after a bit of time. The other stuff, since it does not differentiate, should still be reset.
If the new character/class combo is truly effective and capable, it should be a fairly minor thing to recreate the achievements, PvP ranks (and the time required) being the clear exception.
It's why they should just add account wide summary, with some expanded detail (including date and class at the time of an achieve). It would cover both worlds, and people could keep their main their main, if that's what they truly wanted to do.
The character and class (career) specific achievements should be separated (tied to the original class/character that achieved). The account wide summary would then be representative of the player, as a whole.
It's not even about RP. I was using the OP's own terminology. There's either player determined impotrance in the history, or there's not. It shouldn't be a pick and choose kind of thing. You shouldn't get to have it both ways.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
This.If a single character is so important to you, why would you want to change something so fundamental as its class?
Class change tokens would simply result in competitive areas like PvP zones and trials being filled with the FOTM templates that would change with every update, all the more so as ZOS would see the business sense in making just enough changes in skill balancing etc each update to prompt another wave of class change token purchases.
Rather than dumb the game down even further with mass harmonisation of characters and with no decision ever taken in the game being unable to be reversed so no decision ever requires thought or responsibility, I'd far rather have very expensive crown store tokens enabling players who have completed everything in the game on at least one character to be able to create an instant maxed character. That way it would meet the demands of the few without impacting on everyone else.
You don't get to claim that "one special character" and in the same breath, rip their entire history out from under them.
Make a new alt(s), level them once, have everything you need. It's too much of a fundamental change for previous achievements to automatically apply.
Some people don't like to RP, but have crafting and /played on their main.
Not everyone is a roleplayer. I'd honestly quit if everyone was
It is ultimately the player, but using completely different toolsets.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
For the achievement argument, they need to add an account wide summary UI, but the individual achievements should remain tied to the original (class included) characters.
You can already switch between stamina, magicka and health based builds as well as switch race. My argonian stam sorc build has tanked most content but has never cleared vMA, however it is the same character that I got flawless on while it was a high elf mag sorc. In the end it is the player that got the achievement not the character. Achievements and titles should be account bound and available on all characters. Skins, costumes, pets, mounts, housing and outfit styles already are so it would just bring it inline with the rest of the game. ZOS won't do it tho because they'll make more money selling class change tokens once player numbers start dropping off.
If it were truly as simple and even as it's being made out to be, there would not need to be specific races/builds/classes to achieve specific things within the game. Clearly that is not the case. There would be no issue of balance, because it would all hinge on the player underneath.
Per your example, the name is the same, but the underlying character is fundamentally quite different (if it was not, then why the need for the change in the first place?) Switching from Mag to Stam is a shift of skills and morphs. Switching Race changes some passive benefits.
Changing to a completely different class involves quite another tier of change.
Achievements and titles should be visible via the account summary. The individual achievements and titles should remain attached to the character and the class at the time.
If it were truly as easy as 'It's the player that gets the achievement," then it would be equally easy and viable to tank/heal/dps on any build, any race, any class. Everyone knows it's not.
Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
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Odnoc✭✭✭✭No, do not add the class change token.As nice as it would be, it's a bad idea. You need time to learn the class.
This is the worst counter argument i could think of.
You think people are learning something grinding skyreach or dolmens? Besides, in this game you have 5 active abilities. Stop acting like it has a big learning curve...
Um, yeah, you need to optimize your skill point allocation because you don't have a ton of them to just shell out everywhere? That takes some basic research at a minimum.
Also, with all the QQ about people doing low DPS and such, there is obviously some learning curve. Or don't people QQ and I'm just imagining things?
Edited by Odnoc on January 8, 2019 8:06PM0 -
GarnetFire17✭✭✭✭Luigi_Vampa wrote: »I will just use the 3 to 5 hours needed and level another toon. I like my other 10 characters and I am not replacing one for a new class.
You can do 1 - 50, lorebooks, skyshards, all current achievements, max crafting and research, learn all motifs, max mount, PvP rank in 3 - 5 hours? Amazing.
No one cares about the leveling. It is trivial. People care about their achievements and main character. I play one character because I have a full time job and a family to take care of. I don't have the time to achieve a ton of stuff on alts. I'd like to play other classes while still working toward my main achievements. Why can my main character change his race but not class?
Mount training and bag space investment as well.2 -
Luigi_Vampa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
@Luigi_Vampa Thus the disclaimer provided in this line:Luigi_Vampa wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »Its supposed to be a game and it is getting so that the grind is no longer fun...
Leveling can take a week or so if you grind it right but that is no fun.
Doing any story lines to level just gives useless reward's and takes so long.
I have eight (8) characters. I am sick of doing the Main Story line, Alliance Quests, Mages, Fighters, Undaunted Guild leveling, horse training, etc...
Let me have a token for class change.
This, from a business standpoint, is likely one of the reasons they won't be offering one any time soon.Yes please, I don't mind grinding all class skills and char to max level but things like: Horse training, undaunted grind, psijic grind, alliance war rank grind and etc are just too much..
There would be far more money to be made from Character Slot, Guild Line tokens, Mount training lessons, skillpoint accelerators/tokens, insta-level 50 tokens.
Once they start adding stuff, why would they sell one token, when, instead, they could sell 5 or 6?
Lol, how is a full career change not a fundamental change?Luigi_Vampa wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
This.If a single character is so important to you, why would you want to change something so fundamental as its class?
Class change tokens would simply result in competitive areas like PvP zones and trials being filled with the FOTM templates that would change with every update, all the more so as ZOS would see the business sense in making just enough changes in skill balancing etc each update to prompt another wave of class change token purchases.
Rather than dumb the game down even further with mass harmonisation of characters and with no decision ever taken in the game being unable to be reversed so no decision ever requires thought or responsibility, I'd far rather have very expensive crown store tokens enabling players who have completed everything in the game on at least one character to be able to create an instant maxed character. That way it would meet the demands of the few without impacting on everyone else.
You don't get to claim that "one special character" and in the same breath, rip their entire history out from under them.
Make a new alt(s), level them once, have everything you need. It's too much of a fundamental change for previous achievements to automatically apply.
How is class change a fundamental change? We can change race, but learning a new skill set is too much? Have you never changed careers? I have. I didn't used to be a carpenter, but now I am. Such a shocking and fundamental change!
Did you go up to the local courthouse, pay a one-time fee, and instantly become a master of your new trade, complete with the equivalent of all your previous trades' accomplishments, or did it actually take time?
For the career analogy:If you previously were one of the top 10 Chefs in the world (insert achievement here), it does not automatically translate to instantly becoming one of the top 10 Carpenters in the world.
This applies to any achievement beyond the basic ones, not just leaderboard, world first type stuff. Does it mean you cannot ever achieve the comparable thing with your new career (class)? Of course not. Is it automatic and guarnateed?
Absolutely not.
Racial's offer minor differences (something promised to be leveled out in the near future), so aesthetics aside, Racials are not generally going to be the difference between clearing content and not clearing content, only the relative ease with which the clear happens.
For the achievement argument, they need to add an account wide summary UI, but the individual achievements should remain tied to the original (class included) characters.
Being able to tank vMoL does not automatically mean being able to DPS vSCP, which does not automatically mean being able to heal vBRP, which does not automatically mean I can GrandOverlord 1vX, simply because I've purchase a token in the crown store.
Either wipe the achievements for the character (PvP rank, clears, all of the non-basic stuff), or make an alt and use other accelerator tokens (guild rep, skillpoints, mount training, insta50).
The achievements and time played are the argument for the tokens. Ironically, they are also the argument against.
They should be earned, by the character, in the status and setup they currently have.
So if you want to pick how you start again, I'm fine with that, but start again you should.
No I didn't become a master in my new trade. I also didn't lose all of my accomplishments from before, so why should I in the game when I change class? Sure start me at level 1 in each of the class skill lines. But I should keep my knowledge of the weapon skills, skill points and achievements and horse training. I didn't somehow forget how to ride a horse because I changed my career.
There's considerably distance between knowledge of how to craft basic styles, ride a horse, or make a pie and the ability to clear content above normal on a completely different class with completely different nuances.Either wipe the achievements for the character (PvP rank, clears, all of the non-basic stuff), or make an alt and use other accelerator tokens (guild rep, skillpoints, mount training, insta50).
By all means, keep the things common to all characters after a bit of time. The other stuff, since it does not differentiate, should still be reset.
If the new character/class combo is truly effective and capable, it should be a fairly minor thing to recreate the achievements, PvP ranks (and the time required) being the clear exception.
It's why they should just add account wide summary, with some expanded detail (including date and class at the time of an achieve). It would cover both worlds, and people could keep their main their main, if that's what they truly wanted to do.
The character and class (career) specific achievements should be separated (tied to the original class/character that achieved). The account wide summary would then be representative of the player, as a whole.
It's not even about RP. I was using the OP's own terminology. There's either player determined impotrance in the history, or there's not. It shouldn't be a pick and choose kind of thing. You shouldn't get to have it both ways.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
This.If a single character is so important to you, why would you want to change something so fundamental as its class?
Class change tokens would simply result in competitive areas like PvP zones and trials being filled with the FOTM templates that would change with every update, all the more so as ZOS would see the business sense in making just enough changes in skill balancing etc each update to prompt another wave of class change token purchases.
Rather than dumb the game down even further with mass harmonisation of characters and with no decision ever taken in the game being unable to be reversed so no decision ever requires thought or responsibility, I'd far rather have very expensive crown store tokens enabling players who have completed everything in the game on at least one character to be able to create an instant maxed character. That way it would meet the demands of the few without impacting on everyone else.
You don't get to claim that "one special character" and in the same breath, rip their entire history out from under them.
Make a new alt(s), level them once, have everything you need. It's too much of a fundamental change for previous achievements to automatically apply.
Some people don't like to RP, but have crafting and /played on their main.
Not everyone is a roleplayer. I'd honestly quit if everyone was
It is ultimately the player, but using completely different toolsets.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
For the achievement argument, they need to add an account wide summary UI, but the individual achievements should remain tied to the original (class included) characters.
You can already switch between stamina, magicka and health based builds as well as switch race. My argonian stam sorc build has tanked most content but has never cleared vMA, however it is the same character that I got flawless on while it was a high elf mag sorc. In the end it is the player that got the achievement not the character. Achievements and titles should be account bound and available on all characters. Skins, costumes, pets, mounts, housing and outfit styles already are so it would just bring it inline with the rest of the game. ZOS won't do it tho because they'll make more money selling class change tokens once player numbers start dropping off.
If it were truly as simple and even as it's being made out to be, there would not need to be specific races/builds/classes to achieve specific things within the game. Clearly that is not the case. There would be no issue of balance, because it would all hinge on the player underneath.
Per your example, the name is the same, but the underlying character is fundamentally quite different (if it was not, then why the need for the change in the first place?) Switching from Mag to Stam is a shift of skills and morphs. Switching Race changes some passive benefits.
Changing to a completely different class involves quite another tier of change.
Achievements and titles should be visible via the account summary. The individual achievements and titles should remain attached to the character and the class at the time.
If it were truly as easy as 'It's the player that gets the achievement," then it would be equally easy and viable to tank/heal/dps on any build, any race, any class. Everyone knows it's not.
What is really the difference between clearing hard content on different classes or different specs?
If I was a mag Sorc and got flawless, should I lose flawless when I switch to a Stam Sorc? I've never completed flawless as a Sorc tank should I have to do that too?
What about different patches? After my character has been nerfed into the ground should I have to get my achievements back? My character isn't as strong as he used to be.
I view them as the same thing. They aren't really the "same" character I got the achievement on. So many things have changed with game balance and I've swapped from mag to Stam to tank so many times.
But really here is the crux of my issue. Why does it matter? Achievements are a personal thing. Who the hell cares about other people's achievements? That guy with flawless could have had his friend log in and run it for him. A good amount of people with vet trial achievements paid to be carried. PvP rank is indicative of time played not skill.
I want a class change because I want to keep the things I worked for. I don't give a *** about anyone else's titles or achievements. I play one character. I want to do everything on that character. I'm tired of my class and want to change. Why should I not be able to? Or why should I have to lose so much progress to do so?PC/EU DC5 -
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✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.As nice as it would be, it's a bad idea. You need time to learn the class.
This is the worst counter argument i could think of.
You think people are learning something grinding skyreach or dolmens? Besides, in this game you have 5 active abilities. Stop acting like it has a big learning curve...
Um, yeah, you need to optimize your skill point allocation because you don't have a ton of them to just shell out everywhere? That takes some basic research at a minimum.
Also, with all the QQ about people doing low DPS and such, there is obviously some learning curve. Or don't people QQ and I'm just imagining things?
There's not really any learning curve. Just lots of new players and the game doing a real *** job at explaining anything. Once you master one class in PvE it's not hard at all to switch. And again, we all already have PvE alts... So wat de hell kinda argument is that even lol.
PvP though that does have a steep learning curve.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.As nice as it would be, it's a bad idea. You need time to learn the class.
This is the worst counter argument i could think of.
You think people are learning something grinding skyreach or dolmens? Besides, in this game you have 5 active abilities. Stop acting like it has a big learning curve...
Um, yeah, you need to optimize your skill point allocation because you don't have a ton of them to just shell out everywhere? That takes some basic research at a minimum.
Also, with all the QQ about people doing low DPS and such, there is obviously some learning curve. Or don't people QQ and I'm just imagining things?
There's not really any learning curve. Just lots of new players and the game doing a real *** job at explaining anything. Once you master one class in PvE it's not hard at all to switch. And again, we all already have PvE alts... So wat de hell kinda argument is that even lol.
PvP though that does have a steep learning curve.
Eh.... I have a learning curve issue with CP....0 -
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Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Sylvermynx wrote: »As nice as it would be, it's a bad idea. You need time to learn the class.
This is the worst counter argument i could think of.
You think people are learning something grinding skyreach or dolmens? Besides, in this game you have 5 active abilities. Stop acting like it has a big learning curve...
Um, yeah, you need to optimize your skill point allocation because you don't have a ton of them to just shell out everywhere? That takes some basic research at a minimum.
Also, with all the QQ about people doing low DPS and such, there is obviously some learning curve. Or don't people QQ and I'm just imagining things?
There's not really any learning curve. Just lots of new players and the game doing a real *** job at explaining anything. Once you master one class in PvE it's not hard at all to switch. And again, we all already have PvE alts... So wat de hell kinda argument is that even lol.
PvP though that does have a steep learning curve.
Eh.... I have a learning curve issue with CP....
Uhhhhh? I don't think I understand that.Edited by Nyladreas on January 9, 2019 2:24AM0 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Sylvermynx wrote: »As nice as it would be, it's a bad idea. You need time to learn the class.
This is the worst counter argument i could think of.
You think people are learning something grinding skyreach or dolmens? Besides, in this game you have 5 active abilities. Stop acting like it has a big learning curve...
Um, yeah, you need to optimize your skill point allocation because you don't have a ton of them to just shell out everywhere? That takes some basic research at a minimum.
Also, with all the QQ about people doing low DPS and such, there is obviously some learning curve. Or don't people QQ and I'm just imagining things?
There's not really any learning curve. Just lots of new players and the game doing a real *** job at explaining anything. Once you master one class in PvE it's not hard at all to switch. And again, we all already have PvE alts... So wat de hell kinda argument is that even lol.
PvP though that does have a steep learning curve.
Eh.... I have a learning curve issue with CP....
Uhhhhh? I don't think I understand that.
I - don't have a clue what to do with it. My main is a tankden. I don't like either stam or mag for her - because neither one works for someone with lag like mine.
So. I have NO CLUE.0 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Sylvermynx wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »As nice as it would be, it's a bad idea. You need time to learn the class.
This is the worst counter argument i could think of.
You think people are learning something grinding skyreach or dolmens? Besides, in this game you have 5 active abilities. Stop acting like it has a big learning curve...
Um, yeah, you need to optimize your skill point allocation because you don't have a ton of them to just shell out everywhere? That takes some basic research at a minimum.
Also, with all the QQ about people doing low DPS and such, there is obviously some learning curve. Or don't people QQ and I'm just imagining things?
There's not really any learning curve. Just lots of new players and the game doing a real *** job at explaining anything. Once you master one class in PvE it's not hard at all to switch. And again, we all already have PvE alts... So wat de hell kinda argument is that even lol.
PvP though that does have a steep learning curve.
Eh.... I have a learning curve issue with CP....
Uhhhhh? I don't think I understand that.
I - don't have a clue what to do with it. My main is a tankden. I don't like either stam or mag for her - because neither one works for someone with lag like mine.
So. I have NO CLUE.
Unfurtunately I don't know what to tell you there if it stems from lagging
@Sylvermynx I do know a friend who has an amazing tankden and plays from Australia with high latency. I might be able to ask if I see him online.
The point more or less still stands though
the skill of the player is the last thing I'd worry about. 0 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Sylvermynx wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »As nice as it would be, it's a bad idea. You need time to learn the class.
This is the worst counter argument i could think of.
You think people are learning something grinding skyreach or dolmens? Besides, in this game you have 5 active abilities. Stop acting like it has a big learning curve...
Um, yeah, you need to optimize your skill point allocation because you don't have a ton of them to just shell out everywhere? That takes some basic research at a minimum.
Also, with all the QQ about people doing low DPS and such, there is obviously some learning curve. Or don't people QQ and I'm just imagining things?
There's not really any learning curve. Just lots of new players and the game doing a real *** job at explaining anything. Once you master one class in PvE it's not hard at all to switch. And again, we all already have PvE alts... So wat de hell kinda argument is that even lol.
PvP though that does have a steep learning curve.
Eh.... I have a learning curve issue with CP....
Uhhhhh? I don't think I understand that.
I - don't have a clue what to do with it. My main is a tankden. I don't like either stam or mag for her - because neither one works for someone with lag like mine.
So. I have NO CLUE.
Unfurtunately I don't know what to tell you there if it stems from lagging@Sylvermynx I do know a friend who has an amazing tankden and plays from Australia with high latency. I might be able to ask if I see him online.
The point more or less still stands though the skill of the player is the last thing I'd worry about.
Hey, if you could hook me up with him, that might help. I'm so lost. Seriously.0 -
Ravena✭✭✭✭A Necromancer class?
They should be joining up with Manninmarco not killing him, then!2 -
MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Sylvermynx wrote: »
Nothing is that black and white in Tamriel. And that's the beauty of it.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!1 -
rafaelcsmaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, add the class change token.I find it funny that most of the zos staff keeps silent about this matter, like its some kind of taboo or somethingEdited by rafaelcsmaia on January 9, 2019 12:56PM0 -
Ravena✭✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »
Nothing is that black and white in Tamriel. And that's the beauty of it.
What will seem weird are the NPC reactions to necromancers in-game. Imagine if it's a player's first time playing ESO and they pay attention to the storyline. They will be confused at the apparent hipocrisy.
There are plenty of cases they act completely disgusted at the thought of necromancy...yet now they will be fighting alongside a necromancer! Unless they really do record a few extra lines for the Necros, it's gonna be weird.0 -
RaddlemanNumber7✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.I see a lot of prejudice and stereotyping being directed at Necromancers here. Being a Necromancer does not mean you are a bad person. A character is not defined by their Class alone.
All our characters are instances of The Vestige. There is only one thing that defines The Vestige, and that is their victimhood at the hands of Mannimarco and Molag Bal.
Many people are also forgetting that, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
It is known that many Necromancers get their power from the Soul Cairn and the Ideal Masters. When Mannimarco causes the Soul Tear one of the things that it does is divert soul-trapped souls away from the Soul Cairn and into the clutches of Molag Bal. The Ideal Masters, and their acolytes are therefore natural enemies of Molag Bal.
It is also quite easy to imagine that a Necromancer Vestige might be a former member of the Worm Cult. The members of groups like the Worm Cult are the ones who are at most danger of falling victim to that group. Doctrinal disputes and internal power struggles within such groups are commonplace, and they do not end well for the losers. A Worm Cult member, who themselves fell victim to the Worm Cult, could easily be a natural ally of the cult's many enemies.
Edit spellingEdited by RaddlemanNumber7 on January 9, 2019 5:07PMPC EU3 -
Cillion3117✭✭✭✭✭No, do not add the class change token.I'm more interested in a race change token for each character after they change the racial passives.0 -
rexagamemnon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, add the class change token.Sure, and a alliance change token provided that it can only be consumed once a year during a certain time frame0 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: »I see a lot of prejudice and stereotyping being directed at Necromancers here. Being a Necromancer does not mean you are a bad person. A character is not defined by their Class alone.
All our characters are instances of The Vestige. There is only one thing that defines The Vestige, and that is their victimhood at the hands of Mannimarco and Molag Bal.
Many people are also forgetting that, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
It is known that many Necromancers get their power from the Soul Cairn and the Ideal Masters. When Mannimarco causes the Soul Tear one of the things that it does is divert soul-trapped souls away from the Soul Cairn and into the clutches of Molag Bal. The Ideal Masters, and their acolytes are therefore natural enemies of Molag Bal.
It is also quite easy to imagine that a Necromancer Vestige might be a former member of the Worm Cult. The members of groups like the Worm Cult are the ones who are at most danger of falling victim to that group. Doctrinal disputes and internal power struggles within such groups are commonplace, and they do not end well for the users. A Worm Cult member, who themselves fell victim to the Worm Cult, could easily be a natural ally of the cult's many enemies.
I was just about to write a new topic explaining how Necromancers don't have to be bad at all. Take a look at Diablo for example. The lore behind the Necromancers. Nicely written.1 -
Oberstein✭✭✭Already got it during sale.History, like a human being, is thirsty when it wakes from its slumber…History wants to drink up an enormous amount of blood. And even if history has tired of drinking blood, that’s only in regards to the amount. But what about quality? The larger the sacrifice is, the more delighted the cruel gods will be.0
