Would you like to have a class change token available, now that we're getting yet another new class?
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Tirps✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Yes please, I don't mind grinding all class skills and char to max level but things like: Horse training, undaunted grind, psijic grind, alliance war rank grind and etc are just too much..cp1k+ ( ´•౪•`)1 -
Hotdog_23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Personally I want 4 character slots for every class so we can have 1 Stam 1mag and 1 tank and 1 healer. Give me that and I don't need class change tokens.0 -
Luigi_Vampa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
This.If a single character is so important to you, why would you want to change something so fundamental as its class?
Class change tokens would simply result in competitive areas like PvP zones and trials being filled with the FOTM templates that would change with every update, all the more so as ZOS would see the business sense in making just enough changes in skill balancing etc each update to prompt another wave of class change token purchases.
Rather than dumb the game down even further with mass harmonisation of characters and with no decision ever taken in the game being unable to be reversed so no decision ever requires thought or responsibility, I'd far rather have very expensive crown store tokens enabling players who have completed everything in the game on at least one character to be able to create an instant maxed character. That way it would meet the demands of the few without impacting on everyone else.
You don't get to claim that "one special character" and in the same breath, rip their entire history out from under them.
Make a new alt(s), level them once, have everything you need. It's too much of a fundamental change for previous achievements to automatically apply.
How is class change a fundamental change? We can change race, but learning a new skill set is too much? Have you never changed careers? I have. I didn't used to be a carpenter, but now I am. Such a shocking and fundamental change!PC/EU DC1 -
MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.If for no other reason than that I don't want to face the nightmare of maxxing out another mount, I want this. A class change token would/should ONLY change your class and NOT remove your skyshards, quests completed, and other skill lines. If it were JUST a matter of leveling up a new character I wouldn't mind. It's the daunting idea of having to redo mount training and skill lines that really turns me off the idea of a new class I have to start from scratch when I have a whole stable of maxxed Sorcs, at least one of which I'd GLADLY switch over!PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
Merlin13KAGL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, do not add the class change token.Its supposed to be a game and it is getting so that the grind is no longer fun...
Leveling can take a week or so if you grind it right but that is no fun.
Doing any story lines to level just gives useless reward's and takes so long.
I have eight (8) characters. I am sick of doing the Main Story line, Alliance Quests, Mages, Fighters, Undaunted Guild leveling, horse training, etc...
Let me have a token for class change.
This, from a business standpoint, is likely one of the reasons they won't be offering one any time soon.Yes please, I don't mind grinding all class skills and char to max level but things like: Horse training, undaunted grind, psijic grind, alliance war rank grind and etc are just too much..
There would be far more money to be made from Character Slot, Guild Line tokens, Mount training lessons, skillpoint accelerators/tokens, insta-level 50 tokens.
Once they start adding stuff, why would they sell one token, when, instead, they could sell 5 or 6?
Lol, how is a full career change not a fundamental change?Luigi_Vampa wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
This.If a single character is so important to you, why would you want to change something so fundamental as its class?
Class change tokens would simply result in competitive areas like PvP zones and trials being filled with the FOTM templates that would change with every update, all the more so as ZOS would see the business sense in making just enough changes in skill balancing etc each update to prompt another wave of class change token purchases.
Rather than dumb the game down even further with mass harmonisation of characters and with no decision ever taken in the game being unable to be reversed so no decision ever requires thought or responsibility, I'd far rather have very expensive crown store tokens enabling players who have completed everything in the game on at least one character to be able to create an instant maxed character. That way it would meet the demands of the few without impacting on everyone else.
You don't get to claim that "one special character" and in the same breath, rip their entire history out from under them.
Make a new alt(s), level them once, have everything you need. It's too much of a fundamental change for previous achievements to automatically apply.
How is class change a fundamental change? We can change race, but learning a new skill set is too much? Have you never changed careers? I have. I didn't used to be a carpenter, but now I am. Such a shocking and fundamental change!
Did you go up to the local courthouse, pay a one-time fee, and instantly become a master of your new trade, complete with the equivalent of all your previous trades' accomplishments, or did it actually take time?
For the career analogy:If you previously were one of the top 10 Chefs in the world (insert achievement here), it does not automatically translate to instantly becoming one of the top 10 Carpenters in the world.
This applies to any achievement beyond the basic ones, not just leaderboard, world first type stuff. Does it mean you cannot ever achieve the comparable thing with your new career (class)? Of course not. Is it automatic and guarnateed?
Absolutely not.
Racial's offer minor differences (something promised to be leveled out in the near future), so aesthetics aside, Racials are not generally going to be the difference between clearing content and not clearing content, only the relative ease with which the clear happens.
For the achievement argument, they need to add an account wide summary UI, but the individual achievements should remain tied to the original (class included) characters.
Being able to tank vMoL does not automatically mean being able to DPS vSCP, which does not automatically mean being able to heal vBRP, which does not automatically mean I can GrandOverlord 1vX, simply because I've purchase a token in the crown store.
Either wipe the achievements for the character (PvP rank, clears, all of the non-basic stuff), or make an alt and use other accelerator tokens (guild rep, skillpoints, mount training, insta50).
The achievements and time played are the argument for the tokens. Ironically, they are also the argument against.
They should be earned, by the character, in the status and setup they currently have.
So if you want to pick how you start again, I'm fine with that, but start again you should.
Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
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Stibbons✭✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.With token i could change my magden to something usefull.0 -
lokulin✭✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Yes, but if they make achievements account wide rather than character bound then I'd happily forgo it. Of course ZOS can't make any money out of account wide achievements so I doubt that will ever happen.I've hidden your signature.1 -
lokulin✭✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
For the achievement argument, they need to add an account wide summary UI, but the individual achievements should remain tied to the original (class included) characters.
You can already switch between stamina, magicka and health based builds as well as switch race. My argonian stam sorc build has tanked most content but has never cleared vMA, however it is the same character that I got flawless on while it was a high elf mag sorc. In the end it is the player that got the achievement not the character. Achievements and titles should be account bound and available on all characters. Skins, costumes, pets, mounts, housing and outfit styles already are so it would just bring it inline with the rest of the game. ZOS won't do it tho because they'll make more money selling class change tokens once player numbers start dropping off.I've hidden your signature.4 -
Easily_Lost✭✭✭✭✭No, do not add the class change token.I would not buy one ( That's what was asked with the poll question ).
But if people would buy a Class Change token that's fine with me.PC - NA - AD
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Luigi_Vampa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »Its supposed to be a game and it is getting so that the grind is no longer fun...
Leveling can take a week or so if you grind it right but that is no fun.
Doing any story lines to level just gives useless reward's and takes so long.
I have eight (8) characters. I am sick of doing the Main Story line, Alliance Quests, Mages, Fighters, Undaunted Guild leveling, horse training, etc...
Let me have a token for class change.
This, from a business standpoint, is likely one of the reasons they won't be offering one any time soon.Yes please, I don't mind grinding all class skills and char to max level but things like: Horse training, undaunted grind, psijic grind, alliance war rank grind and etc are just too much..
There would be far more money to be made from Character Slot, Guild Line tokens, Mount training lessons, skillpoint accelerators/tokens, insta-level 50 tokens.
Once they start adding stuff, why would they sell one token, when, instead, they could sell 5 or 6?
Lol, how is a full career change not a fundamental change?Luigi_Vampa wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
This.If a single character is so important to you, why would you want to change something so fundamental as its class?
Class change tokens would simply result in competitive areas like PvP zones and trials being filled with the FOTM templates that would change with every update, all the more so as ZOS would see the business sense in making just enough changes in skill balancing etc each update to prompt another wave of class change token purchases.
Rather than dumb the game down even further with mass harmonisation of characters and with no decision ever taken in the game being unable to be reversed so no decision ever requires thought or responsibility, I'd far rather have very expensive crown store tokens enabling players who have completed everything in the game on at least one character to be able to create an instant maxed character. That way it would meet the demands of the few without impacting on everyone else.
You don't get to claim that "one special character" and in the same breath, rip their entire history out from under them.
Make a new alt(s), level them once, have everything you need. It's too much of a fundamental change for previous achievements to automatically apply.
How is class change a fundamental change? We can change race, but learning a new skill set is too much? Have you never changed careers? I have. I didn't used to be a carpenter, but now I am. Such a shocking and fundamental change!
Did you go up to the local courthouse, pay a one-time fee, and instantly become a master of your new trade, complete with the equivalent of all your previous trades' accomplishments, or did it actually take time?
For the career analogy:If you previously were one of the top 10 Chefs in the world (insert achievement here), it does not automatically translate to instantly becoming one of the top 10 Carpenters in the world.
This applies to any achievement beyond the basic ones, not just leaderboard, world first type stuff. Does it mean you cannot ever achieve the comparable thing with your new career (class)? Of course not. Is it automatic and guarnateed?
Absolutely not.
Racial's offer minor differences (something promised to be leveled out in the near future), so aesthetics aside, Racials are not generally going to be the difference between clearing content and not clearing content, only the relative ease with which the clear happens.
For the achievement argument, they need to add an account wide summary UI, but the individual achievements should remain tied to the original (class included) characters.
Being able to tank vMoL does not automatically mean being able to DPS vSCP, which does not automatically mean being able to heal vBRP, which does not automatically mean I can GrandOverlord 1vX, simply because I've purchase a token in the crown store.
Either wipe the achievements for the character (PvP rank, clears, all of the non-basic stuff), or make an alt and use other accelerator tokens (guild rep, skillpoints, mount training, insta50).
The achievements and time played are the argument for the tokens. Ironically, they are also the argument against.
They should be earned, by the character, in the status and setup they currently have.
So if you want to pick how you start again, I'm fine with that, but start again you should.
No I didn't become a master in my new trade. I also didn't lose all of my accomplishments from before, so why should I in the game when I change class? Sure start me at level 1 in each of the class skill lines. But I should keep my knowledge of the weapon skills, skill points and achievements and horse training. I didn't somehow forget how to ride a horse because I changed my career.PC/EU DC4 -
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✭✭Yes, but only IF...Only if it was priced reasonably. But I doubt it would be considering how much they want for a simple name change."I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
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Thorstienn✭✭✭No, do not add the class change token.Just make more things like guild lines and achievements account bound. Fixes pretty much all the issues people usually have with "new class".
Class change will just be used every update for ppl to change to the FotM.
Besides, I want a NEW character to be my necro, not to get rid of someone I'm attached to .0 -
Defilted✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, do not add the class change token.I will just use the 3 to 5 hours needed and level another toon. I like my other 10 characters and I am not replacing one for a new class.XBOX NA
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DjMuscleboy02✭✭✭✭✭I think the whole point of a new class is creating it and learning it as you level up. But I wouldn't be against changing other classes. Or better yet just make things like Mage's Guild require all base game area books and be account wide or something.Brodor - PC NA - ESO's only pure bodybuilding guild
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✭Yes, add the class change token.Even if I werent to personally use it, why not? More options are better.0 -
Luigi_Vampa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, add the class change token.I will just use the 3 to 5 hours needed and level another toon. I like my other 10 characters and I am not replacing one for a new class.
You can do 1 - 50, lorebooks, skyshards, all current achievements, max crafting and research, learn all motifs, max mount, PvP rank in 3 - 5 hours? Amazing.
No one cares about the leveling. It is trivial. People care about their achievements and main character. I play one character because I have a full time job and a family to take care of. I don't have the time to achieve a ton of stuff on alts. I'd like to play other classes while still working toward my main achievements. Why can my main character change his race but not class?Edited by Luigi_Vampa on January 8, 2019 2:01PMPC/EU DC6 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Luigi_Vampa wrote: »I will just use the 3 to 5 hours needed and level another toon. I like my other 10 characters and I am not replacing one for a new class.
You can do 1 - 50, lorebooks, skyshards, all current achievements, max crafting and research, learn all motifs, max mount, PvP rank in 3 - 5 hours? Amazing.
No one cares about the leveling. It is trivial. People care about their achievements and main character. I play one character because I have a full time job and a family to take care of. I don't have the time to achieve a ton of stuff on alts. I'd like to play other classes while still working toward my main achievements. Why can my main character change his race but not class?
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Ragnork✭✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.I do not understand how I can change my looks (appearance change token 1000 crowns) my race (I can change race!! for 3000 crowns) and my name (for 2500 crowns) BUT I can not change my job (aka class).
Edited by Ragnork on January 8, 2019 2:22PM6 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.I do not understand how I can change my looks (appearance change token 1000 crowns) my race (I change race!! for 3000 crowns) and my name (for 2500 crowns) BUT I can not change my job (aka class).
Just as I don't understand some people being 100% okay with race change, but having a bazillion arguments about the impossibility of a class change.
Edited by Nyladreas on January 8, 2019 2:12PM4 -
fojo82✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Of course. When a game adds a new class 5 years into the game we should definitely have a class token. Nobody wants to go through all the stuff again if we don't have to.1
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Juponen✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.I have had an ersatz necromancer complete with a zombie mount for a long time so yes, I would love to make him a necromancer officially.
Besides I have used up all 15 char slots already.0 -
proteinexe✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Yes because I am emotionally attached to my main and all my other characters are just for writs and event quests because I am not attached to them. I am immersed in the journey my main went through after all this time. I tried making a new character my main once, but I found that doing everything I already did again was too tedious to be bothered with. If there was class change token I would've bought it. It's not that I hate the class I main, I just want to try something new without investing hundreds of hours again. And for those who main a class that gets changed in an unfavorable way this would be a great option.
And for those who like starting over on a new character, there's nothing stopping anybody from doing that even if there's a class change token. Just don't buy it since it's an option.
Really good point.
My main has so many countless hours on. The hours where I discovered how the gae works, grinded dungeons at level 30 for Plague Doctor to stop me dying, running around on my white horse and just really enjoying the game.
Since now Im maxed out, ive never really had that again, and I wish I could play my main..
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✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.proteinexe wrote: »Yes because I am emotionally attached to my main and all my other characters are just for writs and event quests because I am not attached to them. I am immersed in the journey my main went through after all this time. I tried making a new character my main once, but I found that doing everything I already did again was too tedious to be bothered with. If there was class change token I would've bought it. It's not that I hate the class I main, I just want to try something new without investing hundreds of hours again. And for those who main a class that gets changed in an unfavorable way this would be a great option.
And for those who like starting over on a new character, there's nothing stopping anybody from doing that even if there's a class change token. Just don't buy it since it's an option.
Really good point.
My main has so many countless hours on. The hours where I discovered how the gae works, grinded dungeons at level 30 for Plague Doctor to stop me dying, running around on my white horse and just really enjoying the game.
Since now Im maxed out, ive never really had that again, and I wish I could play my main..
Welkynar's point speaks my heart. I've been wanting to change for so long and tried many times without success. I just want to be able to enjoy the game my way again
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TheDarkShadow✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, add the class change token.It take 3 months logging daily to max out riding skills. It take quite lots of money, or time, to max out all crafting. It take time, very boring time, to level mage guild, fighter guild, Psijic... ect... It's not easy to delete a character thinking about all of that, even its just a mule you left gathering dust. So yes pls, class change token.2 -
AlboMalefica✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Yeah I don’t see why not, although I personally wouldn’t use it.
I see the appeal, especially when your main class gets nerfed and you want to still get group content achievements on it without being shamed lol1 -
Oathunbound✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.I don't see a problem with it. The only problem i see is if they can even make it so you can class change. I know one can get rid of vampire skill tree and add werewolf, then get rid of werewolf and go back to vampire on a whim but i don't know if they can make it so our base 3 trees would be swapped to the class we choose.
Also i know people are saying that from a $ point of view they wont do it because they can make more from all the other things people would buy to get a new class going (char slot or 2, mount trainings, ect.) but i think if they did add it it would make them more money overall in the long run as people would get bored of their class and want to change things up and buy a token to do so (theoretically that is) Once some one buy a char slot and mount training that's it, they wont need to get either of those again ever if they don't delete that alt. But a class change token can be used over and over meaning more opportunities to make cash overtime other then a 1 time bloat of cash people throw at the game to get their new char ahead of the grind once.
then again i have 0 knowledge of marketing or long term profit projections for a MMO video game so i could be totally wrong.1 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.Oathunbound wrote: »I don't see a problem with it. The only problem i see is if they can even make it so you can class change. I know one can get rid of vampire skill tree and add werewolf, then get rid of werewolf and go back to vampire on a whim but i don't know if they can make it so our base 3 trees would be swapped to the class we choose.
Also i know people are saying that from a $ point of view they wont do it because they can make more from all the other things people would buy to get a new class going (char slot or 2, mount trainings, ect.) but i think if they did add it it would make them more money overall in the long run as people would get bored of their class and want to change things up and buy a token to do so (theoretically that is) Once some one buy a char slot and mount training that's it, they wont need to get either of those again ever if they don't delete that alt. But a class change token can be used over and over meaning more opportunities to make cash overtime other then a 1 time bloat of cash people throw at the game to get their new char ahead of the grind once.
then again i have 0 knowledge of marketing or long term profit projections for a MMO video game so i could be totally wrong.
Thanks for so many sound positive arguments. ZOS has to see all we have to say, if we are to keep even a slight hope.0 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.AlboMalefica wrote: »Yeah I don’t see why not, although I personally wouldn’t use it.
I see the appeal, especially when your main class gets nerfed and you want to still get group content achievements on it without being shamed lol
I just want my character to be a shadow knight I picked NB as it was the closest thing to necro (( 0 -
Komputerheld✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.I would gladly turn my Magden into MagNecro and be happy not to do all the skyshards and undauted things over and over again0 -
MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, add the class change token.I would be very happy with a class change token that made you level the skills FOR THAT NEW CLASS. And, of course, you lose the skills of your old class. You still get refunded the skill points you put into that old class so they are available AS YOU LEVEL UP the new skills for the new class.
Mount training, achievements, all other skill lines and quests completed that you had with the old class REMAIN and do not have to be done again.
I'm pretty sure THAT is what people are asking for.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!1