What would be worst Nerf in game? (Past and Future)

tactx · December 2018

Ever since I've played I've only seen heavy handed nerfs and nothing to increase the fun factor. It's still a fun game, but constantly gutting and removing gets old.

I was a new player (pve only), just golded some sets, took all my gold to do it. I could barely be competent with the shield. They wrecked it and life changed.

I switched to redguard stamsorc to keep same class since I never make alts. I got better at playing. Sustain f**n blows compared to... everything else, yet now they're going nerf racial sustain. So no clue what to do...

I feel like I chose the single worst class since much of the fun has been marred by looming nerfs and then the actual nerfs.

Beardimus · December 2018

Ultimate dropping to 1000

Killing MagDW patch after patch

Frag losing the stun

Recent ward changes

Probably MW sustain changes overall

Or them removing alliance lock campaign restrictions

TequilaFire · December 2018

1. Morrowind sustain over nerfed
2. Murkmire - speed and expedition over nerfed.
3. Whenever - removed my Templar's major mending.

Salvas_Aren · December 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

Worst future nerf: ZOS race changes.

No doubt it will be a nerf some way or some how

Have some faith.

Yeah. Bad faith. I believe in Zeni, they will mess it up.

Noisivid · December 2018

for me personally, I still think it was the removal of Soft Caps on attributes back in 1.6 (I think...)

it seemed to signal a change in zos' thinking about the game balance/structure and pushed even more players into going all magicka/stamina on their characters.

ok, maybe it wasn't a "nerf" technically speaking

Tasear · December 2018

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

Worst future nerf: ZOS race changes.

No doubt it will be a nerf some way or some how

Have some faith.

Yeah. Bad faith. I believe in Zeni, they will mess it up.

That's sad. I wonder how many people also feel this way.

Salvas_Aren · December 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

Worst future nerf: ZOS race changes.

No doubt it will be a nerf some way or some how

Have some faith.

Yeah. Bad faith. I believe in Zeni, they will mess it up.

That's sad. I wonder how many people also feel this way.

C'mon. They focus on the FO 76 mess now,. I seriously doubt they put any effort, brains or coin into ESO as long as they don't need to keep the crown store running.

They left it full of bugs which are 4 years old. They want to decide which combat design they would like for this game NOW. So - either they don't care about the game or they don't know it. The latter would be a direct consequence of the former, so - they DGAF.

Tasear · December 2018

tactx wrote: »

Ever since I've played I've only seen heavy handed nerfs and nothing to increase the fun factor. It's still a fun game, but constantly gutting and removing gets old.

I was a new player (pve only), just golded some sets, took all my gold to do it. I could barely be competent with the shield. They wrecked it and life changed.

I switched to redguard stamsorc to keep same class since I never make alts. I got better at playing. Sustain f**n blows compared to... everything else, yet now they're going nerf racial sustain. So no clue what to do...

I feel like I chose the single worst class since much of the fun has been marred by looming nerfs and then the actual nerfs.

That is my greatest worry that I here this kinda of statement so often from people.

" Afraid that fun is going to be taken away"

pattyLtd · December 2018

Future: I am worried about them reworking the champion system not because its perfect now but i just have no faith anymore.

Past: Morrowind changes were way to severe and made the game alot less enjoyable.
Whatever the vision of the combat team is that cant be what they were aiming for.

Salvas_Aren · December 2018

Maybe we're lucky and Zeni goes bankrupt before they can apply more nerfs?

Wait. This is an MMO, this doesn't make any sense.

Kitty_Quietly · December 2018

Lumenn wrote: »

Anything that prevents solo playing(either through healing nerf or damage) I already spent years playing EQ with that idiotic mentality that mmo means you must wait on guild members or plan for a group if you want to make ANY progress(esp as a melee character. Solo meant light blues or greens) rather than you all play in the same online world. I would just flat out quit if ESO forced grouping for every little thing and I had to wait or pre plan every single time I wanted to play.

Yeah, I agree with this being a worst case thing. What makes this game fun for me is the log in, do stuff, log out, all without having to worry about who is online. I am in guilds, communicate with some players, and have grouped occasionally, but I prefer the grouping be a choice (not required) for most content.

Seems good enough so far. I really can’t imagine them going too extreme on forcing us to group through intense adjustments. That would likely kill an entire play-style.

So yes, I agree that would be the worst nerf I could imagine.

Hayhurst · December 2018

Without a doubt it was the changes to sustain in Morrowind. Sustain was completely gutted across the board and the heavy attack meta just felt sluggish and slow. Combat hasn't really felt the same since.

More recently the changes to expedition and movement speed in Murkmire is up there.

Noisivid · December 2018

Sylvermynx wrote: »

idk wrote: »

For me it is not any single change it is what seems to be a lack of direction or vision for the game.

Rob Garret says they are working on figuring out what they want combat to look like in this game so hopefully they give that serious thought and finally develop a vision to work off which should lead to a more consistent direction instead of the scattershot approach Zos has been taking.

Oy.... shouldn't that have been solidly in place at release? Good lord....

When did Nick Konkle leave?

There were some changes in the Dev team personnel way back when (i don't remember exactly) and there dosen't seem to have been a coherent vision since then. The changes since then have been "scattershot" to put it nicely

and i'm trying really really hard to be nice

don't worry be happydon't worry be happydon't worry be happydon't worry be happydon't worry be happydon't worry be happy

(i'm just loling around really)

Shantu · December 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

Worst future nerf: ZOS race changes.

No doubt it will be a nerf some way or some how

Have some faith.

Yeah. Bad faith. I believe in Zeni, they will mess it up.

That's sad. I wonder how many people also feel this way.

You're kidding, right? It's hard to find anyone seriously into the combat system that isn't drowning in cynicism due to the affects of nerfs.

For me, the nerf to stamina and shields are still incomprehensible. This developer statement about the shield nerfs still gets under my skin:

"We want players to make interesting choices when making damage shield builds."

Players were already making "interesting choices" and enjoying the game play strong shields provided to some builds.You'd be hard-pressed to find ANYONE who considers that adjustments required for these shield builds "interesting".

Placing more emphasis on what developers find "interesting" and ignoring on what the majority of players are actually enjoying is what breeds the cynicism.

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LeagueTroll · December 2018

Banana wrote: »

Akamai introduction

Totally garbage akamai route me to netherland and i play on na.

Personofsecrets · December 2018

Stam regen while blocking.

radiostar · December 2018

Templar nerfs including blinding flashes removal and tri-focus taunt addition

NyassaV · December 2018

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Siphoning attacks nerf. That was such a class defining skill at the time. It also wasn't overpowered, magblades were incredibly squishy and didn't have easy access to burst like other classes.

Still I feel like Morrowind in general really messed up combat in eso.

The values were OP but values could've been adjusted

Mettaricana · December 2018

Remove all dmg shields.

Suddwrath · December 2018

Rather than having an issue with a specific nerf, my biggest problem is how ZOS has been using more of a sledgehammer approach when it comes to nerfing rather than carefully balancing the classes and skills.

Starlock · December 2018

I’m often worried that the developers will listen too much to competitive gamers - the foks who obsess about the minutia of combat mechanics and often make suggestions that are hostile to non-competitive gaming agendas. So far, the developers have routinely demonstrated they refuse to take things too far on that front, but I still worry. I worry about them making changes that completly ruin my characters identities by making dramatic changes to skills or gear.

As it stands, I already have to put up with stupid changes made for ‘combat balance’ purposes. Usually changes are good or negligable to me, but a few have just been blagrh. I miss the days when my artificer’s crossbow would knock down undead and daedra, exploding them into blue flames when it was a killshot. I miss class skills that boost your speed being useful for overland stuff - my warden racing across the landscape with blue, flapping wings. I miss overload having 1000 ultimate cap and hittiing like a truck.

Starlight_Knight · December 2018

1. Speeding up cliff racer so you cant use timed burst with force pulse and deep fissure.
2. Removing warden CC and 8 months later after we all QQ they tack it back into our toolkit where none will ever use it.
3. Nerfs to mobility enforcing the 5 mph speed limit across Tamriel

tamrielwinner · December 2018

Feric51 wrote: »

I think the operative word in the title is “would.” As in: has not happened yet.

Many of the nerfs listed above have actually happened.

hahahaahahaha

Tommy_The_Gun · December 2018

Tasear wrote: »

What is worst change you could think of that could happen or has happened?

I think it was Summerset (aka Sorcererset) - when they over-buffed sorcs... That is why we had so many sorc nerfs in Murkmire.

ezio45 · December 2018

MakeMeUhSamich wrote: »

Capping magic shields based on max health and gutting sustain.

Oh, wait...

i feel like you understand me on a spiritual lvl

ezio45 · December 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

Worst future nerf: ZOS race changes.

No doubt it will be a nerf some way or some how

Have some faith.

Yeah. Bad faith. I believe in Zeni, they will mess it up.

That's sad. I wonder how many people also feel this way.

me makes at least 2 lol

Tasear · December 2018

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Romo · December 2018

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Morrowind sustain. Game has never been the same again.

This...

KittyHazWares · December 2018

Morrowind sustain nerf.