Snipe From 40 Meters Shouldn't Stun

oXI_Viper_IXo · December 2018

Snipe isn't the real issue. The main problem is the lag/desync that makes 3 lethal arrows land at once and insta-gibs you before you even hear one land or have any chance to react.

Juhasow · December 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

stop trying to destroy snipe
stop trying to destroy our ranged playstyle every single day making request threads to destroy archer playstyle.
nothing wrong with what we have, its been here since 5+ years.
this is really childish and selfish.

Stop trying to keep broken things broken because You like it that way.

Juhasow · December 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

You cant take without giving. People cant stand Snipe but we also cant stand Fossilize and Jabs and yes, Dizzying Swing. You ever get one shot by a Dizzying Swing + Berserker Strike combo? Its never fun.

Are we playing the same game made by ZoS ?

Btw but when You give something without taking then it's totally fine it's only bad if it goes in opposite way ? Also wtf is that type of argumentation that " there are others things that are also broken" , what it brings to discussion about certain topic ?

Juhasow · December 2018

Stun from cloak can stay. They could just rework snipe totally to be instant cast ability which would also require lowering the cost and lowering the dmg so it would be pretty much similar to stamden cliff racer. Sustained DPS wouldnt change but easy burst potential would be no more. Defile should also see some rework either exchanging it to something else or lowering the duration down to max 2 seconds since currently it's spammable ability with major defile having same duration as other stamina abilities and sets with major defile - something I dont think developers had in mind when they were nerfing all defiles accros the board. In december class rep notes meeting there is mentioning about certain major buffs/debufs being way to easy to acces and lethal arrow major defile is definietly one of them.

jircris11 · December 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

stop trying to destroy snipe
stop trying to destroy our ranged playstyle every single day making request threads to destroy archer playstyle.
nothing wrong with what we have, its been here since 5+ years.
this is really childish and selfish.

People don't want to learn how to actually counter play and instead want things catered to them like this is Burger King ... Sorry but you can't have it your way. And I don't even use snipe, I simply learned the counter, audio queue and such.

Alpheu5 · December 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

You cant take without giving. People cant stand Snipe but we also cant stand Fossilize and Jabs and yes, Dizzying Swing. You ever get one shot by a Dizzying Swing + Berserker Strike combo? Its never fun.

omgiztim wrote: »

Totally agree. Of you nerf snipe, you need to nerf these too.

Fossilize had its range reduced to melee distance. Wrecking Blow used to do the stun and give empowered, so they separated the two effects and people valued the stun morph more. In another example, Frags lost its stun, followed by a damage nerf that got reverted when a minimum travel time was introduced.

D0PAMINE · December 2018

@Aliyavana is actually quite good in PvP. He's a pretty well rounded decent person. He's understandibly pissed at dying to something stupid easy to do. I personally think snipe is fine, but multiple players spamming it is just no fun and any stun in this game is annoying reguardless of the source.

With that said, @Aliyavana I know for a fact that if a group keeps trying that trick on you, you'll catch on quick, find them and melt them. I've seen you play.

Royaji · December 2018

[snip]

First, Snipe does not stun from cloak. And it does not have a CC component at all. Any skill stuns from stealth. This stun is a basic game mechanic and it can't be spammed. I thought all leet 1vXers should know it? The bonus damage from stealth was removed long ago, remove the stun and there will be no benefit to opening from stealth whatsoever .

Second, to everyone who proposes to swap Rapid Fire and Snipe: how often do you use Rapid Strikes? Never? Well, yeah, cause it's garbage. Only Ballista is a viable morph of Rapid Fire too. Bow is already the weakest weapon available so taking the only thing it kinda has going for it (as an actual front bar) and replacing it with a garbage skill is a low blow. At least let's talk about a full kit rework (and can bow have the same base damage as melee weapons too?)

[snip] If you want fair fights why don't you duel or organize tournaments?

We all do not like to be on the receiving end of a gank. Same as those "scrubs" do not like being on the receiving end of your next 1vX montage. I personally find HealPlars and Perma-Snare-Mag(Annoy)Dens annoying. Does not mean they should be removed from the game though.

P.S.: fix the actual bug with health desync and make sound a bit more reliable. Snipe by itself is fine.

[Edit for baiting.]

omgiztim · December 2018

Royaji wrote: »

[snip]

First, Snipe does not stun from cloak. And it does not have a CC component at all. Any skill stuns from stealth. This stun is a basic game mechanic and it can't be spammed. I thought all leet 1vXers should know it? The bonus damage from stealth was removed long ago, remove the stun and there will be no benefit to opening from stealth whatsoever .

Second, to everyone who proposes to swap Rapid Fire and Snipe: how often do you use Rapid Strikes? Never? Well, yeah, cause it's garbage. Only Ballista is a viable morph of Rapid Fire too. Bow is already the weakest weapon available so taking the only thing it kinda has going for it (as an actual front bar) and replacing it with a garbage skill is a low blow. At least let's talk about a full kit rework (and can bow have the same base damage as melee weapons too?)

[snip] If you want fair fights why don't you duel or organize tournaments?

We all do not like to be on the receiving end of a gank. Same as those "scrubs" do not like being on the receiving end of your next 1vX montage. I personally find HealPlars and Perma-Snare-Mag(Annoy)Dens annoying. Does not mean they should be removed from the game though.

P.S.: fix the actual bug with health desync and make sound a bit more reliable. Snipe by itself is fine.

[Edit for baiting.]

Agree

Gnozo · December 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

stop trying to destroy snipe
stop trying to destroy our ranged playstyle every single day making request threads to destroy archer playstyle.
nothing wrong with what we have, its been here since 5+ years.
this is really childish and selfish.

Lol, same goes for shields and you are one of the biggest Defender about shieldbreaker that i have ever seen. "Shields are op, sorc can tank 20+ ppl"

Snipe from stealth is just broken. Snipe gets queued and 3 sniped hit you all at once or the CC from the first snipe is unbreakable and you eat the next one without being able to do anything.

Snipers hitting you from 40+ meter range doing 10k + hits on you and insta cloak away so you can never catch them.

Thats just coward playstyle without honor while abusing buggy snipe from stealth.

Kidgangster101 · December 2018

Royaji wrote: »

Oh, it's our weekly "nerf snipe" thread! Let's all present the exact same arguments once again!

First, Snipe does not stun from cloak. And it does not have a CC component at all. Any skill stuns from stealth. This stun is a basic game mechanic and it can't be spammed. I thought all leet 1vXers should know it? The bonus damage from stealth was removed long ago, remove the stun and there will be no benefit to opening from stealth whatsoever .

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/343580/passive-master-assassin-how-does-it-work

I thought you said it doesn't stun? Lol any move that takes zero skill to use and if it fails you just cloak and run or try again should be removed or nerfed. I know your salty right now because you prob gank all the time but reality of this game is it's nothing but buggy.

So in lag you can't Dodge, if they spam from max distance you run out of stamina dodging before they run out of stamina sniping. If your magic user it's even sooner this happens. Dizzy swing can be blocked soooooooooo easy to stop those spammers because you see them.

Battlegrounds is filled with so many ganking night blades it's not just cyrodil lol.

So don't speak unless you actually know what your saying because night blades cheese their passive with snipe to stun and kill you while getting a damage bonus.

So let me ask you this, if all cast moves forced you out of stealth when casting so you can't abuse that passive would you still run it? Guarantee not because it is less damage and people can see you casting it giving them time to get to you lol. But as it is now nope not at all pew pew pew spam

Feanor · December 2018

I think we should have just audio cues for every high damaging ability. No more bright visuals, no more snail pace projectiles. Coupled with the stellar performance the game engine shows in Cyrodiil that’s a foolproof way for maximum counterplay for everyone.

omgiztim · December 2018

I would still use it as an opener as my nightblade archer is not a gank build. Also stealth is only good for the first shot. You are out of stealth after that and you are not one shotting anyone other than a lowbie scrub.

Spamming snipe is also far too slow to be effective. Any good player can easily counter a spammer. True archer needs to have far more skill to be effective against equal opponents.

Tryxus · December 2018

Snipe: Plant a masterfully aimed arrow in an enemy's vital spot, dealing x Physical Damage.
Casting again within 4 seconds reduces the damage by 75%.

Tadah!

Karmanorway · December 2018

Just Block or dodge when u hear the snipe, then run to to Archer asap and take him down in 2 hits. Easy peazy, just like what u would do against Steel tornado spammer,

Gnozo · December 2018

Karmanorway wrote: »

Just Block or dodge when u hear the snipe, then run to to Archer asap and take him down in 2 hits. Easy peazy, just like what u would do against Steel tornado spammer,

Cause you gonna hear the snipe while fighting someone melee.

And with 40+ meter range and 99% of snipers being NB he is gone before i even closed the gap by 10 Meter.

Good advise

xxthir13enxx · December 2018

Personally, I’d like to see all skills get a 3shot rule that after 3 repeated shots of the same skill they no longer function.
Firing off a spammable 3 times in a row is plenty...time to choose a new button.

Kidgangster101 · December 2018

omgiztim wrote: »

I would still use it as an opener as my nightblade archer is not a gank build. Also stealth is only good for the first shot. You are out of stealth after that and you are not one shotting anyone other than a lowbie scrub.

Spamming snipe is also far too slow to be effective. Any good player can easily counter a spammer. True archer needs to have far more skill to be effective against equal opponents.

Nb gank does this

Stealth to snipe to cloak to snipe to cloak to snipe bam donzo lol

Wanna know how you know the ones that abuse this? Look at the ones defending it and saying it is balanced lol

I get bow needs to be fixed but if people don't want bow nerfed then night blades should be fixed because you don't see any other class able to abuse it other than the initial hit. Night blades can use it over and over due to them going back into stealth all the time.

Wanna know how you know your not a good ganker? If you can't finish someone off that doesn't know your there from 40 meters away as a night blade

TequilaFire · December 2018

The same handful of people that can't defend against ranged attacks making their daily nerf thread.
They talk about melee skill but don't stand their ground and fight, instead they run away and use LOS when pressured face to face.
Nerf stealth, there will always be trapping poisons to add stun to bows.

dazee · December 2018

Removing ALL CC would be even more stupid than allowing people to snipe from double the range they do now AND stun. CC is a playstyle many people love, removing it makes the game that much more boring.

Wildberryjack · December 2018

omgiztim wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

You cant take without giving. People cant stand Snipe but we also cant stand Fossilize and Jabs and yes, Dizzying Swing. You ever get one shot by a Dizzying Swing + Berserker Strike combo? Its never fun.

Totally agree. Of you nerf snipe, you need to nerf these too.

I don't even PvP and I see the issue with this statement. So should they nerf EVERY ability that someone finds hard to counter? Because that is clearly where this is going. L2PvP better instead maybe? Just a thought.

JobooAGS · December 2018

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Oh, it's our weekly "nerf snipe" thread! Let's all present the exact same arguments once again!

First, Snipe does not stun from cloak. And it does not have a CC component at all. Any skill stuns from stealth. This stun is a basic game mechanic and it can't be spammed. I thought all leet 1vXers should know it? The bonus damage from stealth was removed long ago, remove the stun and there will be no benefit to opening from stealth whatsoever .

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/343580/passive-master-assassin-how-does-it-work

I thought you said it doesn't stun? Lol any move that takes zero skill to use and if it fails you just cloak and run or try again should be removed or nerfed. I know your salty right now because you prob gank all the time but reality of this game is it's nothing but buggy.

So in lag you can't Dodge, if they spam from max distance you run out of stamina dodging before they run out of stamina sniping. If your magic user it's even sooner this happens. Dizzy swing can be blocked soooooooooo easy to stop those spammers because you see them.

Battlegrounds is filled with so many ganking night blades it's not just cyrodil lol.

So don't speak unless you actually know what your saying because night blades cheese their passive with snipe to stun and kill you while getting a damage bonus.

So let me ask you this, if all cast moves forced you out of stealth when casting so you can't abuse that passive would you still run it? Guarantee not because it is less damage and people can see you casting it giving them time to get to you lol. But as it is now nope not at all pew pew pew spam

Stealth =/= invis/cloak

omgiztim · December 2018

Wildberryjack wrote: »

omgiztim wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

You cant take without giving. People cant stand Snipe but we also cant stand Fossilize and Jabs and yes, Dizzying Swing. You ever get one shot by a Dizzying Swing + Berserker Strike combo? Its never fun.

Totally agree. Of you nerf snipe, you need to nerf these too.

I don't even PvP and I see the issue with this statement. So should they nerf EVERY ability that someone finds hard to counter? Because that is clearly where this is going. L2PvP better instead maybe? Just a thought.

That was my point. The two sides are balanced. If you affect one side now, you must adjust the otherside or you are off balance again. There are counters to each side of the game play. It is a L2P issue now.

Aebaradath · December 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

stop trying to destroy snipe
stop trying to destroy our ranged playstyle every single day making request threads to destroy archer playstyle.
nothing wrong with what we have, its been here since 5+ years.
this is really childish and selfish.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We get it, you zergling. You like to spam Snipe over and over while you hide behind a zerg and want to keep all the broken things that work in your personal favor.

Karmanorway · December 2018

Gnozo wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Just Block or dodge when u hear the snipe, then run to to Archer asap and take him down in 2 hits. Easy peazy, just like what u would do against Steel tornado spammer,

Cause you gonna hear the snipe while fighting someone melee.

And with 40+ meter range and 99% of snipers being NB he is gone before i even closed the gap by 10 Meter.

Good advise

ever heard about detect pots? Inner Light? Major expedition? Sry but if u cant handle snipers thats a l2p issue, and its not often they are 40 meters away .. its pretty rare actually

EDIT: I run full melee builds btw, and i dont struggle With snipers

Jhalin · December 2018

Tryxus wrote: »

Snipe: Plant a masterfully aimed arrow in an enemy's vital spot, dealing x Physical Damage.
Casting again within 4 seconds reduces the damage by 75%.

Tadah!

Honestly, something like that wouldn’t be the worst idea

Have it scale down based on missing health, so it remains effective as an openner and less useful as a spammable skill

100% damage at 100% enemy health, 33% damage at 50% player health

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · December 2018

Aliyavana wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

@Aliyavana if you die to a sniper then you should try PvE since Pvp its clearly not for you.

A sniper as in one? No. Various zergling spamming snipe comfortably behind a zerg and other annoyances? Sure, everyone dies then.

Im sure i could melt you in (no cp) pvp however and if you think pvp isnt for me and i end up melting you then that would mean it would be even less for you

That’s literally all the ranged attacks in the game if you can cast it at range Zerglings will cast it from behind a wall of players.

evoniee · December 2018

KEEP NERFING STAMINA RAGNGED WHILE MAGICKA RANGED IS FAR MORE SUPERIOR HAHAHAH

Gilvoth · December 2018

evoniee wrote: »

KEEP NERFING STAMINA RAGNGED WHILE MAGICKA RANGED IS FAR MORE SUPERIOR HAHAHAH

that is their plan, has been that way for years.

Chicharron · December 2018

Today in battlegrounds some of the opposite team killed us with snipe again and again, in fact we lost and very fast, my team were complaining and crying.

Is part of the game, you can not always win, if you're going to behave like a spoiled child every time you lose. why you do pvp? (i'm generalizing is not against OP)

Today is snipe. what will be tomorrow? nerf light attack?