HobosEverywear wrote: »

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

This thread made it to Fredas.

Fredas?

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Sorry, looks like Morndas as of today.

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

It's enough to get the job done. I.M.O. no one needs to be asking anyone what their DPS is. Do we start every run with asking every single player what their gear load out is and what their Stats are and what Abilities they have slotted? Do we ask them what Skins they have earned and to prove it? It's a game. The lower DPS players have to learn some how and they won't learn if never given the chance to run tougher dungeons.

Anybody asking for a resume in a PUG almost always has a shorter, less impressive resume than you do. That's a big difference from saying you're wearing alkosh and want many synergies. Anytime I'm asked for gear/numbers (it's been a while, thanks to MA staff, skins and titles) my response is usually: "What part of the content are you having difficulty with?"

They know they can't carry others, and this makes them worry that if I can't carry my own, we're all doomed. People like that either evolve to become better, more relaxed, and gain confidence; or they continue to try editing PUGs with vote kick until they get the confidence they think they need for success.

After we beat content in a PUG, sometimes you hear stuff like:
"I never beat this before, thanks you guys. That's why you had to tell me hard mode mechanics lol."
"I was afraid if I admitted I've never beaten this you would kick me."
"I wanted to ask about that, but was afraid you'd just kick me for not knowing."

So, if the advice of this post is "Don't lie about your DPS" - My advice is to stay away from people who are afraid you will tip the scales toward failure. Do you want to join a group with this little confidence in itself? Anybody doing serious content that has dps/gear requirements doesn't need to explain why - people at that level already understand what is required of them.

mana sorc (no pets) , 351 CP, 31k dps, kill me pls

SugaComa wrote: »

No such thing as real or fake DPS

Just the competence in which they do it when in the roll of a damage dealer

You can't fake DPS ... Even healers and tanks do DPS.

yes, but its an perspective, but if you do 5K dps you don't belong in an vet dungeon, that is unless you are tank or healer and has to focus on healing.

mairwen85 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

@kylewwefan

I agree 100% that the most overlooked dmg atm is AoE. I get that my sorc doesn't pull the same St damage as a stamblade. I also feel for most content is isn't necessary either. I see my job as the trash patrol, crowd control, melt everything that moves so others can do their job without having to care about it; where I can supplement ST, I will, but there are other classes better suited to that. There is a lot of snobbery, and pressure to perform which is simply not necessary - - this is exactly what leads to the lying about dps numbers. 'OK, so your stamblade does 50-60k? Cool, that boss is going down fast, let me melt everything else to make sure you can focus on that'. The way I see it, everyone in the group can be useful,given they know how their class excels, and its limitations. When I play healer, it pisses me off when sorcs go balls to the wall ST with the nb, and the playing field is left teaming with trash...

Trash is going to burn just from AoE DoTs.

That's why ST is all that matters. If you're actively focusing on AoE, particularly on a boss fight, then you're doing it wrong.

If there is trash running around not dead then that's your tank's fault, plain and simple.

This thread is really opening my eyes to some people's playstyles...

Given the number of fake tanks, you've got to adapt.

That "adapting" would be to bring the trash to the boss yourself or to single target it down, depending on how many mobs there are.

I see no reason to actively use AoE in any situation with all the passive AoE DoTs DPS have access to.

Spamming AoE is expensive. It's a waste of time and resources when the trash could just be burned passively. Adapt the right way, and if you still fail then educate your tank or "tank"

mairwen85 wrote: »

@valrien Nobody mentioned spamming anything. Why would anyone spam an 8 or 10 second skill?

I can drop Dots and pul trash into them, or knock back mobs into them... Provide off balance and other crowd control affects. Why would you instantly assume spamming?

Strategically, we're talking about luring and management of adds, or roaming mobs. In the absence of a true tank, sorcs can be quite useful in that way.

Nvm, guess I better go L2P. Thanks for the insight.

Spamming as in...AoE? There's really no other way to "focus" on AoE since DoTs are just a part of your rotation, so focusing on AoE would be Steel Tornado/Impulse.

Anyways, now that semantics are out of the way...crowd control isnt really worth much since the mobs become immune and die quickly anyways. Most of the time you want to reserve that CC immunity for...you guessed it, a pull effect like Silver Leash or Chains.

Realistically, you do need to learn to play. You think you're helping in these situations, but you're really not because you would still be more useful just by doing more DPS

Yeah i guess they were hoping for a carry. Its annoying.

NO 60K DEEPS NO TALK

Look i would love to read the whole thing but its basically a toxic flame dump at this point, so I will give you some facts.

I am no where near the max dps yet my best is 54k self buff on a stamblade with close to bis gear on a 6 mil dummy. (humble brag yes i know)

However to my point, I wanted to see what it would take to train someone that has never played the game at all. No bad habits no previous exp just a fresh start.

So i found a "victim" my own flesh in the form of my 12 year old daughter. I started to teach her to weave light attacks she practiced that for 20 mins then i slowly started to add stuff.

So first la into surprise attack over and over til she had it. Then i added rending slashes and when she had that trap and then relentless focus. mind you the kids was now sitting stable at 33k dps not even using the bow bar.

Then I added the relentless proc into the mix along with potion now sitting at 39k and we have 2 hours into training.

Now we added bow bar since its a fixed rotation endeless , caltrops, posion injection and swap. This made her 45k stable. still no ult still no execute.

to do add ult and execute phase will be surprised if she does not sit above 50k

I will update next weekend when we have time to do more but you see where this is going right you need to do basics then build on it. Do the work stop saying you cant and ffs start with basics no matter how boring it is.

Gear used vs dps yields. la ratio .8 to .85
veli, ay daggers and jewelery (bt), relq body, vma bow. 45k no ult/execute.
Alternative setup veli hundings daggers jewelery (bt and purple), releq body vma bow 43k no ult/execute.
alterntive setup 2 veli, hundings dagger jewelery (bt and purple), releq body and a ruby ash bow 39k no ult/execute.

Yes gear matters BUT is clearly dwarfed by basic understanding of the game.

Pls note this is not a post to shame you or make you feel bad but rethink saying that you cant.

I respect saying you wont cause you wanna play the way you want to but then dont complain about stuff like this, and stay away from dungeons and trials where you cannot go with the dps you have you made a choice now live with it.

nothing wrong with being casual at all!!!

in conclusion do what you want just dont bring that *** near me