Daimmyo wrote: »

Redguard Stamina DK

I can say that I am skilled up now with regards to the skills - having about 370 CP.

Working my way through crafting so I can complete my first armor sets - starting with Hunding/Night Mother - still have few pieces to wrap up - so it's still far from complete.

Playing with 2HSword and Bow, I tend to use meta, but adjusting slightly to my own needs. Never did dungeons so far - tried few times and saw it wasn't going alright.

At those days I was having something like 5k single target DPS.

Nowadays, I am averaging around 10-12k, when I dish out good rotation I can reach 15-16k.

I'm always watching single target DPS as my measure, AoE tends to be about 25-30k on average.

This is just raw progress with the environment, never playing with dummy - looking fwd to fully craft and upgrade my stuff.

I'm not sure if what I do is alright, not sure how would I do in dungeons - my idea is to do it all by myself and go as far as I can on my own.

I really don't have time to explain myself to anyone, I love ESO because of it's casual/semi-casual questing approach and going forward to some more harder content. I do wish there would be a bit more challenging stuff in the regular questing world and delves.

Soloing bosses is still a good challenge.

Ask a guildie to craft it for you, bring the mats and you are good to go.

I started dungeoning solo and for me this approach was fine. I PUG now, because I don't want to spend so much time in this type of content, but for getting into it I actually appriciated the possibility to play around and try different things... and leave at any time if things don't work out the way i want or I get bored. If you start with the easier (non-DLC) dungeons the time you need for the first clear is ok, too (mostly less then 1 hour)... and 300 CP are enough to get through spindleclutch and alike.
As a rule of thumb just have a good look at how comfortable you are with the first group of mobs... if you have a hard time killing those, the rest of the dungeon will probably be to hard for you now.

have fun.

Aisle9 wrote: »

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Elsterchen wrote: »

BretonMage wrote: »

Dear ZOS, may we please have a solo mode for dungeons?

^no one forces you to enter dungeons with 3 others... most of them can be soloed (i.e. don't have mechanics that require 2 ppl standing on plates or bosses that one-hit or perma-stun/grab/disable you).

Have fun.

on topic:
The thing I notice is that some players really know what they are doing and play "intelligent"... and i fell thats more important then some number generated with a non fighting, non moving target dummy.
This defintion holds true for all roles ... i notice a good healer just like a good tank or dps, and most of the time its not The Number that links to my impression.

However I am not taking part in progress endgame ... so maybe the ppl I usually play with are just ... more creative.

I agree a dead DPS is no DPS, mechanics are a big part, but there is a bar you should meet before entering certain content. Which is the purpose of this post. If you are not there, do not claim that your are.

You're missing the point everyone is making.

With the exception of very few pieces of content (e.g. vMoL HM to skip lunar phase), if your personal DPS is "good" you don't need other people, dps, so if your group's DPS is low, just carry them.

I can understand the argument for "They didn't bash the minotaur", but that has nothing to do with DPS. Most 4men content you can solo anyways, so extra DPS, any amount of extra DPS, can only be good. If you can't solo, then you should first consider fixing your shortcomings, then look at other's.

If your problem is that the the whole raid had low dps, then you should find yourself another raid, cause if you're running with 8 potatoes it's your fault, not the 8 potatoes'.

_________________________

You're missing the point of the entire post.

Lastly and why this thread was created, for those of you that do not know what your REAL DPS is do everyone else a favor and be honest. Either you have tested or you haven't. Skilled players will know once you begin the content whether your DPS is really where you claim it is or if you have just created a fake number to prevent your self from being removed from the group initially.

It doesn't matter what your DPS is, what matter is if your honest about what it is or if you generate a fake number.

Skilled players don't care because they can solo most 4men content anyways.

You have an issue => You're not a skilled player.

Face reality, don't find solace in a delusion, that's how you grow.

Unless your problem is with people lying about their skills to be accepted by their peers, in which case I suggest a mirror.

Hope this helps.
Have a nice day.

Or........... your group is trying do something casually and or smoothly and don't have time to carry people.

That I genuinely don't understand.

40k group dps is more than enough to do most 4men content casually/smoothly, and it's also what a medium/average "skilled" dps can pull with a basic rotation on their own. If you have 2 skilled players (you mentioned group, so I'm assuming at least 1 more person), that's 80k. 2 more people, pulling, I don't know, 5k each (what a tank pulls), that's 90k group dps.

Most "skilled" dps, at the moment, average on 50k, with stamina builds more on the 54-56k and magicka on the 49-50k, without resorting to cheese on dummy parses, self buffed.

I'm sorry, I don't get your point...

The point is:

"Lastly and why this thread was created, for those of you that do not know what your REAL DPS is do everyone else a favor and be honest. Either you have tested or you haven't. Skilled players will know once you begin the content whether your DPS is really where you claim it is or if you have just created a fake number to prevent your self from being removed from the group initially."

To clarify if your hitting xx,xxxx don't generate a higher number and claim to be hitting something you're not. Idk how that's hard to understand.

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Elsterchen wrote: »

BretonMage wrote: »

Dear ZOS, may we please have a solo mode for dungeons?

^no one forces you to enter dungeons with 3 others... most of them can be soloed (i.e. don't have mechanics that require 2 ppl standing on plates or bosses that one-hit or perma-stun/grab/disable you).

Have fun.

on topic:
The thing I notice is that some players really know what they are doing and play "intelligent"... and i fell thats more important then some number generated with a non fighting, non moving target dummy.
This defintion holds true for all roles ... i notice a good healer just like a good tank or dps, and most of the time its not The Number that links to my impression.

However I am not taking part in progress endgame ... so maybe the ppl I usually play with are just ... more creative.

I agree a dead DPS is no DPS, mechanics are a big part, but there is a bar you should meet before entering certain content. Which is the purpose of this post. If you are not there, do not claim that your are.

You're missing the point everyone is making.

With the exception of very few pieces of content (e.g. vMoL HM to skip lunar phase), if your personal DPS is "good" you don't need other people, dps, so if your group's DPS is low, just carry them.

I can understand the argument for "They didn't bash the minotaur", but that has nothing to do with DPS. Most 4men content you can solo anyways, so extra DPS, any amount of extra DPS, can only be good. If you can't solo, then you should first consider fixing your shortcomings, then look at other's.

If your problem is that the the whole raid had low dps, then you should find yourself another raid, cause if you're running with 8 potatoes it's your fault, not the 8 potatoes'.

_________________________

You're missing the point of the entire post.

Lastly and why this thread was created, for those of you that do not know what your REAL DPS is do everyone else a favor and be honest. Either you have tested or you haven't. Skilled players will know once you begin the content whether your DPS is really where you claim it is or if you have just created a fake number to prevent your self from being removed from the group initially.

It doesn't matter what your DPS is, what matter is if your honest about what it is or if you generate a fake number.

Skilled players don't care because they can solo most 4men content anyways.

You have an issue => You're not a skilled player.

Face reality, don't find solace in a delusion, that's how you grow.

Unless your problem is with people lying about their skills to be accepted by their peers, in which case I suggest a mirror.

Hope this helps.
Have a nice day.

Or........... your group is trying do something casually and or smoothly and don't have time to carry people.

That I genuinely don't understand.

40k group dps is more than enough to do most 4men content casually/smoothly, and it's also what a medium/average "skilled" dps can pull with a basic rotation on their own. If you have 2 skilled players (you mentioned group, so I'm assuming at least 1 more person), that's 80k. 2 more people, pulling, I don't know, 5k each (what a tank pulls), that's 90k group dps.

Most "skilled" dps, at the moment, average on 50k, with stamina builds more on the 54-56k and magicka on the 49-50k, without resorting to cheese on dummy parses, self buffed.

I'm sorry, I don't get your point...

The point is:

"Lastly and why this thread was created, for those of you that do not know what your REAL DPS is do everyone else a favor and be honest. Either you have tested or you haven't. Skilled players will know once you begin the content whether your DPS is really where you claim it is or if you have just created a fake number to prevent your self from being removed from the group initially."

To clarify if your hitting xx,xxxx don't generate a higher number and claim to be hitting something you're not. Idk how that's hard to understand.

You know, if people say they can't understand what the problem is, and you keep repeating the exact same sentence, there's a good chance that's the reason why they can't understand it.

Ok, so, help me out here, you made this post to complain about people lying about their actual numbers to be accepted by their peers, or out of fear of being kicked from the group ?

Is that the issue ?

Sparr0w wrote: »

BretonMage wrote: »

Dear ZOS, may we please have a solo mode for dungeons?

There is, it's called Vet

That is then you are unlucky, for normal doing +50% of dps while keeping all alive and tanking boss is Tuesday.
For me 20k on dummy is limit for vet dungeons, not dlc I would probably never take an DD into an newer vet dlc.

molecule wrote: »

Do you announce yours at the start OP, so everyone can check yours or are you above this ?

Why stop at DPS though ?

You should as the Tank what they are wearing, their Health and Resistances

You should ask the Healer the same sort of questions

Only then will you have perfected, being an arse

Ummmm, yes, you should. Why wouldn't you want to know what your support team is wearing before jumping in? I main a healer, and most of our initial conversation is "Who's wearing what and should we change out to better support DPS specs/who's slotting ele drain or PotL/ who is going to support tanks vs dps/is tank wearing Alkosh, need to slot more synergies/who is a bit squishy, need to make sure you stay close to and in front of me/etc". That's what a good team does, every time. That's not being an arse, it's being effective and making sure you start off on the right foot, vs just running in blind like a crazy person with no preparation.

If I join a random group as a DPS, whether through dungeon finder or zone chat, and someone asks me my DPS, I will probably leave the group instead of responding.

That is not because I am incompetent in the role, but because if someone is going to be that picky about who they run with, they should not be picking up group members from random. I suspect that if the run doesn't go well you will possibly be accused of lying about your DPS anyway.

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Elsterchen wrote: »

BretonMage wrote: »

Dear ZOS, may we please have a solo mode for dungeons?

^no one forces you to enter dungeons with 3 others... most of them can be soloed (i.e. don't have mechanics that require 2 ppl standing on plates or bosses that one-hit or perma-stun/grab/disable you).

Have fun.

on topic:
The thing I notice is that some players really know what they are doing and play "intelligent"... and i fell thats more important then some number generated with a non fighting, non moving target dummy.
This defintion holds true for all roles ... i notice a good healer just like a good tank or dps, and most of the time its not The Number that links to my impression.

However I am not taking part in progress endgame ... so maybe the ppl I usually play with are just ... more creative.

I agree a dead DPS is no DPS, mechanics are a big part, but there is a bar you should meet before entering certain content. Which is the purpose of this post. If you are not there, do not claim that your are.

You're missing the point everyone is making.

With the exception of very few pieces of content (e.g. vMoL HM to skip lunar phase), if your personal DPS is "good" you don't need other people, dps, so if your group's DPS is low, just carry them.

I can understand the argument for "They didn't bash the minotaur", but that has nothing to do with DPS. Most 4men content you can solo anyways, so extra DPS, any amount of extra DPS, can only be good. If you can't solo, then you should first consider fixing your shortcomings, then look at other's.

If your problem is that the the whole raid had low dps, then you should find yourself another raid, cause if you're running with 8 potatoes it's your fault, not the 8 potatoes'.

_________________________

You're missing the point of the entire post.

Lastly and why this thread was created, for those of you that do not know what your REAL DPS is do everyone else a favor and be honest. Either you have tested or you haven't. Skilled players will know once you begin the content whether your DPS is really where you claim it is or if you have just created a fake number to prevent your self from being removed from the group initially.

It doesn't matter what your DPS is, what matter is if your honest about what it is or if you generate a fake number.

Skilled players don't care because they can solo most 4men content anyways.

You have an issue => You're not a skilled player.

Face reality, don't find solace in a delusion, that's how you grow.

Unless your problem is with people lying about their skills to be accepted by their peers, in which case I suggest a mirror.

Hope this helps.
Have a nice day.

Or........... your group is trying do something casually and or smoothly and don't have time to carry people.

That I genuinely don't understand.

40k group dps is more than enough to do most 4men content casually/smoothly, and it's also what a medium/average "skilled" dps can pull with a basic rotation on their own. If you have 2 skilled players (you mentioned group, so I'm assuming at least 1 more person), that's 80k. 2 more people, pulling, I don't know, 5k each (what a tank pulls), that's 90k group dps.

Most "skilled" dps, at the moment, average on 50k, with stamina builds more on the 54-56k and magicka on the 49-50k, without resorting to cheese on dummy parses, self buffed.

I'm sorry, I don't get your point...

The point is:

"Lastly and why this thread was created, for those of you that do not know what your REAL DPS is do everyone else a favor and be honest. Either you have tested or you haven't. Skilled players will know once you begin the content whether your DPS is really where you claim it is or if you have just created a fake number to prevent your self from being removed from the group initially."

To clarify if your hitting xx,xxxx don't generate a higher number and claim to be hitting something you're not. Idk how that's hard to understand.

You know, if people say they can't understand what the problem is, and you keep repeating the exact same sentence, there's a good chance that's the reason why they can't understand it.

Ok, so, help me out here, you made this post to complain about people lying about their actual numbers to be accepted by their peers, or out of fear of being kicked from the group ?

Is that the issue ?

I made this post because most groups doing certain content require you to meet a certain threshold, and there are many people who claim to be there and are not.

Does that clarify the same thing I've been saying or are you still stuck trying to find a way to ignorantly disagree?

Ah, you're one of those people.

Kk, understood, have fun

You're probably better off premading with people you know, but that's just my opinion.

Aisle9 wrote: »

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Elsterchen wrote: »

BretonMage wrote: »

Dear ZOS, may we please have a solo mode for dungeons?

^no one forces you to enter dungeons with 3 others... most of them can be soloed (i.e. don't have mechanics that require 2 ppl standing on plates or bosses that one-hit or perma-stun/grab/disable you).

Have fun.

on topic:
The thing I notice is that some players really know what they are doing and play "intelligent"... and i fell thats more important then some number generated with a non fighting, non moving target dummy.
This defintion holds true for all roles ... i notice a good healer just like a good tank or dps, and most of the time its not The Number that links to my impression.

However I am not taking part in progress endgame ... so maybe the ppl I usually play with are just ... more creative.

I agree a dead DPS is no DPS, mechanics are a big part, but there is a bar you should meet before entering certain content. Which is the purpose of this post. If you are not there, do not claim that your are.

You're missing the point everyone is making.

With the exception of very few pieces of content (e.g. vMoL HM to skip lunar phase), if your personal DPS is "good" you don't need other people, dps, so if your group's DPS is low, just carry them.

I can understand the argument for "They didn't bash the minotaur", but that has nothing to do with DPS. Most 4men content you can solo anyways, so extra DPS, any amount of extra DPS, can only be good. If you can't solo, then you should first consider fixing your shortcomings, then look at other's.

If your problem is that the the whole raid had low dps, then you should find yourself another raid, cause if you're running with 8 potatoes it's your fault, not the 8 potatoes'.

_________________________

You're missing the point of the entire post.

Lastly and why this thread was created, for those of you that do not know what your REAL DPS is do everyone else a favor and be honest. Either you have tested or you haven't. Skilled players will know once you begin the content whether your DPS is really where you claim it is or if you have just created a fake number to prevent your self from being removed from the group initially.

It doesn't matter what your DPS is, what matter is if your honest about what it is or if you generate a fake number.

Skilled players don't care because they can solo most 4men content anyways.

You have an issue => You're not a skilled player.

Face reality, don't find solace in a delusion, that's how you grow.

Unless your problem is with people lying about their skills to be accepted by their peers, in which case I suggest a mirror.

Hope this helps.
Have a nice day.

Or........... your group is trying do something casually and or smoothly and don't have time to carry people.

That I genuinely don't understand.

40k group dps is more than enough to do most 4men content casually/smoothly, and it's also what a medium/average "skilled" dps can pull with a basic rotation on their own. If you have 2 skilled players (you mentioned group, so I'm assuming at least 1 more person), that's 80k. 2 more people, pulling, I don't know, 5k each (what a tank pulls), that's 90k group dps.

Most "skilled" dps, at the moment, average on 50k, with stamina builds more on the 54-56k and magicka on the 49-50k, without resorting to cheese on dummy parses, self buffed.

I'm sorry, I don't get your point...

The point is:

"Lastly and why this thread was created, for those of you that do not know what your REAL DPS is do everyone else a favor and be honest. Either you have tested or you haven't. Skilled players will know once you begin the content whether your DPS is really where you claim it is or if you have just created a fake number to prevent your self from being removed from the group initially."

To clarify if your hitting xx,xxxx don't generate a higher number and claim to be hitting something you're not. Idk how that's hard to understand.

You know, if people say they can't understand what the problem is, and you keep repeating the exact same sentence, there's a good chance that's the reason why they can't understand it.

Ok, so, help me out here, you made this post to complain about people lying about their actual numbers to be accepted by their peers, or out of fear of being kicked from the group ?

Is that the issue ?

I made this post because most groups doing certain content require you to meet a certain threshold, and there are many people who claim to be there and are not.

Does that clarify the same thing I've been saying or are you still stuck trying to find a way to ignorantly disagree?

Ah, you're one of those people.

Kk, understood, have fun

You're probably better off premading with people you know, but that's just my opinion.

You must be one of those players who will sit in a dungeon for 4 hours with an inadequate group and then still not complete just to call it a day.

Endless Hail -(bar swap) LA | REPEAT |

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

In the context of this forum lately, "real" and "fake" dps have taken a possibly different meaning than what you're using. Most of the back and forth here may be semantics.

AFAIK, OP means that a person should know their actual dummy tested dps vs their perceived/estimated "numbers on screen" dps. When people use skills for a dummy test that they never use in content, that's often referred to as "cheesing" or inflating the numbers. The problem is, (I speak for Consoles) that a person can have pals help them cheese a dps test so they can screenshot a real, but inflated number. Your group won't know for sure unless you hit a DPS check of some sort - by then it's probably too late anyway.

You can ask DDs to answer honestly about their number, but even asking already sets the stage for judgement. We only need that kind of judgement to complete some content under certain circumstances. People who are misinformed aren't malicious, it's the people who choose to hate them for not knowing instead of offering help that are toxic.

On the other hand, nobody is obligated to become mentor to the PUG or fix it, just follow the campsite rule: Try to leave it in the same or better condition than the way you found it. Offering help may lead to DPS and gear critiques, but offering critiques first does not often lead to help. If they have no hope, just leave. Scolding them for lying is probably a waste of your time.


edit: Aisle9 beat me to the semantics bit half an hour ago

The problem is that you have no way of knowing on console.

You would just be making a whole lot of assumptions.

first assumption is that your numbers in the dungeon are the same you have on the dummy.

second assumption is that if the time to kill is higher than what you think it is, it's someone else's fault.

third assumption is that nobody in your group is lying, but the pug is.

fourth assumption is that said boss should die in said time if the group dps is tot, but no way of knowing buffs and debuffs uptime, so no way of knowing if the fault is actually with the dps or with someone else, no way of knowing if you're overpenetrating or if penetration is too low, if you were just unlucky with the crits, or whatever other reason.

Granted, you can use Occam's Razor, and if you usually have a certain TTK, and then you haven't, it's probably the variable's fault, but you've no way of knowing for certain.

On consoles there's no damage meter, so you have absolutely no idea what your actual dps is on that particular boss, or even on average, just a vague idea of what it should be, given the TTK, and what you parse on a dummy.

The OP's argument could work on PC where we have FTC, LUI, CombatMetrics, so we can just check the actual numbers for that particular boss, but on consoles ..?

DPS can vary enormously from boss to boss, some have invulnerable phases, some you can just stack and burn, so the best you can ask is the person's dps on a dummy, which everybody knows is not indicative of ***, other than the fact that they can keep up a rotation.

Endgame guilds usually ask for parses on a 6mil because they are more interested in knowing if the person can sustain the rotation longer than 1 minute, or they will run out of resources before execute.

Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

HobosEverywear wrote: »

Elsterchen wrote: »

BretonMage wrote: »

Dear ZOS, may we please have a solo mode for dungeons?

^no one forces you to enter dungeons with 3 others... most of them can be soloed (i.e. don't have mechanics that require 2 ppl standing on plates or bosses that one-hit or perma-stun/grab/disable you).

Have fun.

on topic:
The thing I notice is that some players really know what they are doing and play "intelligent"... and i fell thats more important then some number generated with a non fighting, non moving target dummy.
This defintion holds true for all roles ... i notice a good healer just like a good tank or dps, and most of the time its not The Number that links to my impression.

However I am not taking part in progress endgame ... so maybe the ppl I usually play with are just ... more creative.

I agree a dead DPS is no DPS, mechanics are a big part, but there is a bar you should meet before entering certain content. Which is the purpose of this post. If you are not there, do not claim that your are.

You're missing the point everyone is making.

With the exception of very few pieces of content (e.g. vMoL HM to skip lunar phase), if your personal DPS is "good" you don't need other people, dps, so if your group's DPS is low, just carry them.

I can understand the argument for "They didn't bash the minotaur", but that has nothing to do with DPS. Most 4men content you can solo anyways, so extra DPS, any amount of extra DPS, can only be good. If you can't solo, then you should first consider fixing your shortcomings, then look at other's.

If your problem is that the the whole raid had low dps, then you should find yourself another raid, cause if you're running with 8 potatoes it's your fault, not the 8 potatoes'.

_________________________

You're missing the point of the entire post.

Lastly and why this thread was created, for those of you that do not know what your REAL DPS is do everyone else a favor and be honest. Either you have tested or you haven't. Skilled players will know once you begin the content whether your DPS is really where you claim it is or if you have just created a fake number to prevent your self from being removed from the group initially.

It doesn't matter what your DPS is, what matter is if your honest about what it is or if you generate a fake number.

Skilled players don't care because they can solo most 4men content anyways.

You have an issue => You're not a skilled player.

Face reality, don't find solace in a delusion, that's how you grow.

Unless your problem is with people lying about their skills to be accepted by their peers, in which case I suggest a mirror.

Hope this helps.
Have a nice day.

Or........... your group is trying do something casually and or smoothly and don't have time to carry people.

That I genuinely don't understand.

40k group dps is more than enough to do most 4men content casually/smoothly, and it's also what a medium/average "skilled" dps can pull with a basic rotation on their own. If you have 2 skilled players (you mentioned group, so I'm assuming at least 1 more person), that's 80k. 2 more people, pulling, I don't know, 5k each (what a tank pulls), that's 90k group dps.

Most "skilled" dps, at the moment, average on 50k, with stamina builds more on the 54-56k and magicka on the 49-50k, without resorting to cheese on dummy parses, self buffed.

I'm sorry, I don't get your point...

The point is:

"Lastly and why this thread was created, for those of you that do not know what your REAL DPS is do everyone else a favor and be honest. Either you have tested or you haven't. Skilled players will know once you begin the content whether your DPS is really where you claim it is or if you have just created a fake number to prevent your self from being removed from the group initially."

To clarify if your hitting xx,xxxx don't generate a higher number and claim to be hitting something you're not. Idk how that's hard to understand.

You know, if people say they can't understand what the problem is, and you keep repeating the exact same sentence, there's a good chance that's the reason why they can't understand it.

Ok, so, help me out here, you made this post to complain about people lying about their actual numbers to be accepted by their peers, or out of fear of being kicked from the group ?

Is that the issue ?

I made this post because most groups doing certain content require you to meet a certain threshold, and there are many people who claim to be there and are not.

Does that clarify the same thing I've been saying or are you still stuck trying to find a way to ignorantly disagree?

Ah, you're one of those people.

Kk, understood, have fun

You're probably better off premading with people you know, but that's just my opinion.

You must be one of those players who will sit in a dungeon for 4 hours with an inadequate group and then still not complete just to call it a day.

No, I usually just carry them, since, as stated multiple times, I can solo most of them anyways.

If the content requires experience, I know better than pugging and just premade with friends.

@HobosEverywear I think we're missing a bit of context here. What situation were you in that you had to ask for people what their dps is? Were you organizing a trial run, a dungeon run? Were you just pugging a dungeon?

I've only found DPS queries to be relevant in a handful of situations:

No death speed runs
Hard mode vet trials
Score runs
vMOL, vAS, vHOF, and vCR
Maybe, and this is a strong maybe, nCR+2 and +3, and a handful of vet DLC dungeons. But mechanics are infinitely more important

Other times, its unnecessary. I main a stam DK that hits 32K. I have no problem if someone wants a higher DPS if they are doing a score run. But its absolutely ridiculous when doorknobs start demanding DPS checks or proof for things like vHRC, then scoffing at anything below 45K. And like others have said, those players are usually the dead stamblades blaming the tank, the healer, the other DPS, or the sun that was in their eyes.

@Ryzakier you've brought up a good point. I tested on a 6 mil before Murkmire and was repeatedly hitting 32-33K. Two weeks ago, one of my guilds tells me that I can retest if I want to on a 3 mil if I want to up my DPS rank (I know, sounds ***, but its actually a pretty low-key guild). Between that and internet issues in my neighborhood that week, I couldn't hit above 30K on the dummy. Same house, same dummies, I was baffled.

I don't know know if it was the update, my internet, or that the dummy I was hitting was too close to another dummy (so my AOEs hit both) but I could not replicate 32K. But then I headed into the trio of vet dailies, everything was fine. Did vAA HM and everything was fine. Went back to the 6 mil, 32K.

Obviously, I'm not saying a 45K will drop to a 30K overnight, but to act like some of these dummy parses are infallible is a bit much

HobosEverywear wrote: »

temjiu wrote: »

First off, the title itself is simply silly.

there is no such thing as fake DPS. there is only DPS, and it is either enough, or not enough. if someone is only doing 15k, is that 15k fake? of course not. It may not be enough for that content, but its not fake. And what if it is enough for that content? does the Fake suddenly become not fake? not a very good way of putting things, to be sure.

And who sets the bar for "real" DPS (or what should be classified as enough DPS). is it the player that spends hours on a dummy until he hits some crazy number once and then shouts it out in the forums to increase his perceived epeen? or is it the player who does his "share" of the DPS, while actually staying alive and helping the group accomplish said dungeon? and what is that threshold that earmarks "enough"?

Latios hit it on the head. DPS numbers are only relevant when everyone isn't doing their job, and if someone is over-performing then it matters even less. This thread only serves as a jumping board for the emotionally immature who need some kind of validation in a digital world.

Don't get me wrong, I feel your frustration when you are in a dungeon where the people who queue for DPS slots just suck. I'm not a very good player, so when I pull higher numbers on my healer then the DPS do, and they're standing back spamming heavy attacks with a resto staff, I want to pull my hair out.

But this thread won't solve that. It will only set some stupid and unrealistic bar for damage that simply isn't necessary. So the real question is: if both DD were simply doing their job (doing damage and not dying), what would the REAL threshold need to be for the dungeon to go smoothly? I can tell you from experience that it's not 50k, or even 40k. so anything above that is simply measuring fish tales.

It's not about damage. it's about people not being stupid. and you can't measure that with a damage meter.

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ReRead OP:

"Lastly and why this thread was created, for those of you that do not know what your REAL DPS is do everyone else a favor and be honest. Either you have tested or you haven't. Skilled players will know once you begin the content whether your DPS is really where you claim it is or if you have just created a fake number to prevent your self from being removed from the group initially."

One can infer that the "fake number" is higher than their actual DPS test: "Real DPS" as to not be kicked from a group.

I reread your OP. I see what you mean about "fake numbers", though that wasn't expressed in the OP, so thanks for the clarification. However, how is asking people in the forums, most of which probably actually care about their skill and performance in the game, going to help with the people who simply don't know how, or don't care? the people who don't care are the ones that will most likely lie.

outside of the concept of "fake DPS" (which probably would have been better said "lying about DPS") my points still stand. people posting numbers in this thread is nothing more then epeen stroking. And if your trying to set a threshold for DPS, getting max numbers from people is again irrelevant. The game's current status is OVERKILL. anyone who follows a build like Alcast's and has semi-decent gear will do enough DPS unless they are simply bad. If you can get 2 DPS that can squeeze out 20-25k and not die you can do almost all the 4 man content in this game. seriously.

The ones that do less then that aren't reading this thread, which means this thread doesn't help. Or are you honestly asking people what the threshold is for content? your post doesn't come across that way. It comes across as, "show me your leet numbers! and vid or it didn't happen".

EDIT: I should probably say that at the end, you and I both probably agree. people who do bad DPS (like real bad) can be frustrating, and people who lie about it to get into "whatever" are not deserving of much respect. But I think we digress on where we have the right to say were good they're bad (outside of lying, that's simply bad bad). if they can meet the threshold, and we don't die, and the group goes smoothly, I could care less if it takes a few minutes longer to get a run done.