These posts are always amusing. If you think it is so easy, go play one. All you have to do to beat a DK is literally be on guard until they run out of resources or moderately push them.
Also how, exactly, do you know the skill level of a player?
These posts are always amusing. If you think it is so easy, go play one. All you have to do to beat a DK is literally be on guard until they run out of resources or moderately push them.
Also how, exactly, do you know the skill level of a player?
I played a DK once, people in Cyrodiil RAN FROM ME
The Uninvited wrote: »These posts are always amusing. If you think it is so easy, go play one. All you have to do to beat a DK is literally be on guard until they run out of resources or moderately push them.
Also how, exactly, do you know the skill level of a player?
I played a DK once, people in Cyrodiil RAN FROM ME
Maybe your character was just too ugly?
Joy_Division wrote: »Is it 2014?
Priyasekarssk wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Is it 2014?
It is 2018 and DK is super overpowered near god set up. How about charging DK with Major defile , Major breach with cheap ulitmates with loads of CC and best CC in game with tankier set up with seventh legion & warrior furry with 4K+ weapon damage with near complete immune to range damage with wings and 15K+ vigor 30K resistance , 2K+ Crit resistance with infinite resource sustain with Argonian INFUSED/SWIFT.
5-10 competent DKS can rule entire map provided opponents have no DKs or NBs.
According to PROS and ZOs of the game Its not overpowered. Every noobs here got it. HAHAHAHA. ROFL. Its 2014 is it ?
Noobs everyone come here and learn the game. Its L2P isue. DK is not overpowered. Agreed.
Assuming the OP plays magsorc or magblade, your argument is basically sound, but let's provide some counterpoint nonetheless.Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »DK is a hard counter to basically two classes, mag sorc and mag nightblade. They are also one of the best 1v1 classes. While I don’t think they are OP across the boards, they are OP in certain situations. If I am on one of the above classes and I encounter a solo max level DK, I usually just go the other way because the most likely outcome is a perpetual stalemate.
I don't play magsorc. From an outsider's perspective it seems to me that DK wings were nerfed so much that there is only one important sorc skill that can still be reflected: Crystal Frags. So I don't get it. The archetypical sorc burst combo involves largely unreflectable skills: Curse, Mage's Fury, Force Shock, Rune Cage, Meteor. Now, granted, sorc may be hurting from the latest Rune Cage nerfs, and Reach / Clench is reflectable, but I don't know.
Let me interject with something here. I have a magblade friend who is good, and I mean really good. This is a while back, but he would kill me on any and all of my builds within 30 seconds. I am not kidding. That included my flappy DK and my 50K magicka shielding warden before the shield nerfs. Furthermore he did it the hard way. His build was purely ranged. He used Merciless Resolve. He was able to see the opening, CC me and burst me at the right moment. No cheese. No Zaan. No Soul Assault. This is what the game is balanced for and why, I believe, top level players will deny that wings are OP, and why magblades are / have been rated as strong duellers.
I am merely a decent PvPer. I can't play magblade to the same standard and, for me, what you say is true. I would not attack a flappy DK with a ranged magblade and, thus, I switched to a 2H / resto (sometimes 2H / destro) hybrid melee / ranged build long ago. I use Concealed Weapon, Lotus Fan, Incap, Caluurion, and Forward Momentum to counter DKs. The funny thing is that Caluurion is actually reflectable, but many DKs stop flapping their wings when you appear to attack them only with melee.
The Uninvited wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Is it 2014?
It is 2018 and DK is super overpowered near god set up. How about charging DK with Major defile , Major breach with cheap ulitmates with loads of CC and best CC in game with tankier set up with seventh legion & warrior furry with 4K+ weapon damage with near complete immune to range damage with wings and 15K+ vigor 30K resistance , 2K+ Crit resistance with infinite resource sustain with Argonian INFUSED/SWIFT.
5-10 competent DKS can rule entire map provided opponents have no DKs or NBs.
According to PROS and ZOs of the game Its not overpowered. Every noobs here got it. HAHAHAHA. ROFL. Its 2014 is it ?
Noobs everyone come here and learn the game. Its L2P isue. DK is not overpowered. Agreed.
The bolded part is NOT exclusive to DK's you know? Oh, and exactly which skills give DK Major defile (standard) and Major Breach (not on any DK skill as far as I know)?
One of them is an ultimate which is very hard to land and easily to get out of range and isn't cheap. 250 ulti for Standard... Now look at incap strike from Nightblade, 70 ulti cost, does stun + Major Defile + 20% more damage on all your skills for 6 seconds.
If you are a sorc struggling with DK, use a different ultimate. Storm atro is a strong counter to magDks in battlegrounds/no cp. They have to be in close range to hurt you, and storm atro drops a lot of pressure. Keep curse up, use streak, time their wings and then burst.
Priyasekarssk wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Is it 2014?
It is 2018 and DK is super overpowered near god set up. How about charging DK with Major defile , Major breach with cheap ulitmates with loads of CC and best CC in game with tankier set up with seventh legion & warrior furry with 4K+ weapon damage with near complete immune to range damage with wings and 15K+ vigor 30K resistance , 2K+ Crit resistance with infinite resource sustain with Argonian INFUSED/SWIFT.
5-10 competent DKS can rule entire map provided opponents have no DKs or NBs.
According to PROS and ZOs of the game Its not overpowered. Every noobs here got it. HAHAHAHA. ROFL. Its 2014 is it ?
Noobs everyone come here and learn the game. Its L2P isue. DK is not overpowered. Agreed.
MasterSpatula wrote: »Oh, is it DK's turn now?
cbritomiranda wrote: »I do not think that. stamina nightblades are also OP if played correctly, in PvE and PvP
DKs are powerful. The issue is the charge with cc, the burst is too much. Beyond that they aren't bad.
Charge - okay
Knockdown - okay
Charge and knockdown, adding defile while reducing all your mitigation in 2 GCDs - not balanced.
MasterSpatula wrote: »Oh, is it DK's turn now?
It's always DKs turn.
The fact that people are apparently complaining about the strengths of stamDKs and magDKs put together into one Voltron is pretty funny. Because I want to see the argonian swift build stamdk in fury and 7th legion that can also spam wings and bypass cc immunity.
AcadianPaladin wrote: »I'm surprised anyone is alive in Cyrodiil! One day it's NB with snipe. Then it was magsorcs with shields. Now, DK's. . . . Lol.
AcadianPaladin wrote: »I'm surprised anyone is alive in Cyrodiil! One day it's NB with snipe. Then it was magsorcs with shields. Now, DK's. . . . Lol.
Omg, don't forget the mother of all nerf class hysteria - the TEMPLARS. A Healer Class that actually...well...god damn healed people and an Execute that actually...well...executed ffs. No wonder the class was nerfed to oblivion for 3 years straight.
AcadianPaladin wrote: »I'm surprised anyone is alive in Cyrodiil! One day it's NB with snipe. Then it was magsorcs with shields. Now, DK's. . . . Lol.
Omg, don't forget the mother of all nerf class hysteria - the TEMPLARS. A Healer Class that actually...well...god damn healed people and an Execute that actually...well...executed ffs. No wonder the class was nerfed to oblivion for 3 years straight.
Templars with Jesus Beam were hilarious, but the mother of all nerf class hysteria was mag dk in 2014 with the oh so good times of being a vamp mag dk emp and slaughtering masses.
AcadianPaladin wrote: »I'm surprised anyone is alive in Cyrodiil! One day it's NB with snipe. Then it was magsorcs with shields. Now, DK's. . . . Lol.
Omg, don't forget the mother of all nerf class hysteria - the TEMPLARS. A Healer Class that actually...well...god damn healed people and an Execute that actually...well...executed ffs. No wonder the class was nerfed to oblivion for 3 years straight.
Templars with Jesus Beam were hilarious, but the mother of all nerf class hysteria was mag dk in 2014 with the oh so good times of being a vamp mag dk emp and slaughtering masses.
Oh ja! I forgot DKs + Swarm. D=
usmguy1234 wrote: »cbritomiranda wrote: »I do not think that. stamina nightblades are also OP if played correctly, in PvE and PvP
Has nothing to do with how it's played when you can fart and get every buff in the game. Name any other class that can be played like this without being min/ maxed:
https://youtu.be/NhIehgGboM4
And I agree that's awesome... That's what makes nightblade unique... but where is that uniqueness in other classes? Why is the uniqueness of other classes get stripped away and homogenized? These are the questions we should demand ZOS to answer because it's surely not in the name of balance.
usmguy1234 wrote: »cbritomiranda wrote: »I do not think that. stamina nightblades are also OP if played correctly, in PvE and PvP
Has nothing to do with how it's played when you can fart and get every buff in the game. Name any other class that can be played like this without being min/ maxed:
https://youtu.be/NhIehgGboM4
And I agree that's awesome... That's what makes nightblade unique... but where is that uniqueness in other classes? Why is the uniqueness of other classes get stripped away and homogenized? These are the questions we should demand ZOS to answer because it's surely not in the name of balance.
Priyasekarssk wrote: »The Uninvited wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Is it 2014?
It is 2018 and DK is super overpowered near god set up. How about charging DK with Major defile , Major breach with cheap ulitmates with loads of CC and best CC in game with tankier set up with seventh legion & warrior furry with 4K+ weapon damage with near complete immune to range damage with wings and 15K+ vigor 30K resistance , 2K+ Crit resistance with infinite resource sustain with Argonian INFUSED/SWIFT.
5-10 competent DKS can rule entire map provided opponents have no DKs or NBs.
According to PROS and ZOs of the game Its not overpowered. Every noobs here got it. HAHAHAHA. ROFL. Its 2014 is it ?
Noobs everyone come here and learn the game. Its L2P isue. DK is not overpowered. Agreed.
The bolded part is NOT exclusive to DK's you know? Oh, and exactly which skills give DK Major defile (standard) and Major Breach (not on any DK skill as far as I know)?
One of them is an ultimate which is very hard to land and easily to get out of range and isn't cheap. 250 ulti for Standard... Now look at incap strike from Nightblade, 70 ulti cost, does stun + Major Defile + 20% more damage on all your skills for 6 seconds.
Sorry it's major fracture . There is difference between NB and DK. DK is extremely tanky in heavy Armor. NB is squishy. Seventh legion with furry stacks so much weapon damage. DK mostly uses bash for defile with stun followed by fossilize. Everything follows is a death sentence. few might use lethal arrow in place of bash before charging. Just spam wings with block with vigor up. Once weapon damage reaches 4k+ annihilate everyone.Then come to forums and tell DK is not op.
Same can be done on stamden with out CC which give you a chance to escape. DK no chance. DK can regenerate while blocking same as warden , but in DK it's a passive. For warden it's a skill. No class can do it. . Other classes lose so many resources while blocking and no option to regenerate. Stamsorcs run around objects with Sprint. Now since swift nerf no one does now and made class inline. Why DK allowed to do it ? Why they are allowed to do so many damage in extremely tank set up?
Telling NB op doesn't change the fact DK is op. Who cares. Let's enjoy cheese.
Hard to take you seriously when you have no credibile justification. You don’t even specify mag or Stam. Do you even know the history of consistent nefrfs and senseless gutting of the dk class? You ever play one and see how “overpowered” they are? GTFOutta here.
lucky_Sage wrote: »@Izariel
magdk or stamdk?
what class are you,stam or mag?
dks are far from over preforming stamdks worst stam class yes they are tanky but every other stam class is better
magdk are far from over preforming they can be tanky but then they will have worst dmg if they have high dmg they can easily get 2 shot if they F-up one time unlike all other mag classes. yeah wings can hurt if your a pure range build but against more than one player they are sub-par compared to most other defenses and cost a lot of mag, and every class has atleast 2 abilities that cant be reflected . they also have worst sustain than all mag classes highest and highest avg cost to abilities.
no dk can sustain wings for extened period of time with ooming.
this is 100% L2P issue
usmguy1234 wrote: »cbritomiranda wrote: »I do not think that. stamina nightblades are also OP if played correctly, in PvE and PvP
Has nothing to do with how it's played when you can fart and get every buff in the game. Name any other class that can be played like this without being min/ maxed:
https://youtu.be/NhIehgGboM4
And I agree that's awesome... That's what makes nightblade unique... but where is that uniqueness in other classes? Why is the uniqueness of other classes get stripped away and homogenized? These are the questions we should demand ZOS to answer because it's surely not in the name of balance.
You do realize that buff bar also included the following (available to everyone):
Mundus stone
Food/drink buff
Continuous attacks
I think I even saw battle spirit...
& it looked as though there was 1-3 other things that weren’t even buffs such as racial passives maybe?
I’ve seen addons do stuff like that were they will show more things than what you really care about & players are just too lazy to change/configure it.
usmguy1234 wrote: »cbritomiranda wrote: »I do not think that. stamina nightblades are also OP if played correctly, in PvE and PvP
Has nothing to do with how it's played when you can fart and get every buff in the game. Name any other class that can be played like this without being min/ maxed:
https://youtu.be/NhIehgGboM4
And I agree that's awesome... That's what makes nightblade unique... but where is that uniqueness in other classes? Why is the uniqueness of other classes get stripped away and homogenized? These are the questions we should demand ZOS to answer because it's surely not in the name of balance.
Ever heard of standard of might?
Pretty sure you can keep a decent uptime with bloodspawn.
The problem here is that you don’t recognize those buffs matter very little. If they mattered, you would be using standard instead of leap, but you’re not.
Killing power, the ability to hit your target, especially with low chance of being dodged, is far greater than “buff potential”.
usmguy1234 wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »cbritomiranda wrote: »I do not think that. stamina nightblades are also OP if played correctly, in PvE and PvP
Has nothing to do with how it's played when you can fart and get every buff in the game. Name any other class that can be played like this without being min/ maxed:
https://youtu.be/NhIehgGboM4
And I agree that's awesome... That's what makes nightblade unique... but where is that uniqueness in other classes? Why is the uniqueness of other classes get stripped away and homogenized? These are the questions we should demand ZOS to answer because it's surely not in the name of balance.
Ever heard of standard of might?
Pretty sure you can keep a decent uptime with bloodspawn.
The problem here is that you don’t recognize those buffs matter very little. If they mattered, you would be using standard instead of leap, but you’re not.
Killing power, the ability to hit your target, especially with low chance of being dodged, is far greater than “buff potential”.
Nightblades can almost have guaranteed hits from stealth. They can initiate a fight as fast as they can leave it. These are very strong attributes that make nightblades very unique.I don't even know how to address your comment about buffs/ debuffs because it's absolutely wrong.