Do you think argonians are going to get changes next patch?

ESO_Nightingale · November 2018

Specifically, do you think they will look at resourceful?

Alpheu5 · November 2018

I'd be surprised if they didn't.

brandonv516 · November 2018

Yeah 3% max magicka is definitely a joke, they need to look at that.

Ohtimbar · November 2018

I expect anything good to be killed at any time. We can't have people enjoying themselves. Just wouldn't be prudent.

mb10 · November 2018

They shouldnt be.

The other races just need buffs, the Argonian passives make sense lore wise. Genetically they are incredible and their racial passives show it.

Argonians should really just be the bar for everyone else imo no need to bring them down

rabidmyers · November 2018

idc if they do get nerfed, i play them simply cuz i enjoy the race, not for passives lol

zyk · November 2018

mb10 wrote: »

They shouldnt be.

The other races just need buffs, the Argonian passives make sense lore wise. Genetically they are incredible and their racial passives show it.

Argonians should really just be the bar for everyone else imo no need to bring them down

If 1/10 races is OP, the correct approach is to adjust the OP race, not buff the 9 others. The 'buff everything else' approach to game balance is nonsensical and only results in a faster rate of power creep.

mb10 · November 2018

zyk wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

They shouldnt be.

The other races just need buffs, the Argonian passives make sense lore wise. Genetically they are incredible and their racial passives show it.

Argonians should really just be the bar for everyone else imo no need to bring them down

If 1/10 races is OP, the correct approach is to adjust the OP race, not buff the 9 others. The 'buff everything else' approach to game balance is nonsensical and only results in a faster rate of power creep.

Yeah... IF the other 9 are weak... which they’re not.

High elf
Orc
Wood elf
Dark elf
Breton
Reguard

Are all very good at what they specialise in.

Nord needs love
Khajiit needs *change* to make them more unique and not so limited to the Stam nightblsde class

dodgehopper_ESO · November 2018

zyk wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

They shouldnt be.

The other races just need buffs, the Argonian passives make sense lore wise. Genetically they are incredible and their racial passives show it.

Argonians should really just be the bar for everyone else imo no need to bring them down

If 1/10 races is OP, the correct approach is to adjust the OP race, not buff the 9 others. The 'buff everything else' approach to game balance is nonsensical and only results in a faster rate of power creep.

Argonian is fine as it is. Any changes should be made to possibly improve a couple of other races. Argonian was a horrible race for a long time. It still requires item consumption which was not my suggestion but its what they chose. I personally would have given Argonians high regeneration across the board. They only need to buff a couple of other races and not nerf Argonian. If they nerf argonian I want to see Altmers have their Max magicka nerfed and Redguards have their Max stamina nerfed. Damage dealers need to stop ruining the game for tanks.

karekiz · November 2018

Inc lizard nerf

We MUST remove sustain!

zyk · November 2018

I'm not arguing that Argonians are or are not OP. I'm just being critical of the notion that exists that a game should/can be balanced by buffing everything else to match what may be OP.

Aliyavana · November 2018

their racials should be removed because they are not a real race. they should also take bonus damage from dunmer.

itscompton · November 2018

Aliyavana wrote: »

their racials should be removed because they are not a real race. they should also take bonus damage from dunmer.

Nah, they should have a passive called "rage of oppression" that lets them inflict extra damage TO Dunmer.

OneKhajiitCrimeWave · November 2018

ZOS will most likely (hopefully)give with one hand and take some with the other.

I think they will increase the max magicka Argonians receive to 5 or 6 percent, increased from 3 percent and then reduce the resourceful passive by about 800-1000.

Mayrael · November 2018

1. If Argonians resourceful gets nerfed so the Redguards adrenaline rush should be.
2. While you're so concerned about races balance and want "adjustments" you better prepare those race change tickets for yourself. This is what ZOS wants, they will never balance races, they will just shift meta from one race to another in the name of the holy balance so we all will be forced to buy those darn tickets.

ZOS proven many times they are unable or unwilling to do things right, they leave more things broken than fixed with each patch.

When players are afraid of next update and they are most excited because of bugs fixing from previous updates, something is seriously bad.

templesus · November 2018

Anyone who thinks argonian shouldn’t be nerfed probably plays as an argonian.

#1 race for Healers. #1 race for Tanks. Most common race in PvP. The race is overperforming.

Sheezabeast · November 2018

If they gut my Argonian Magplar PVE healer....I'm going to be very unhappy if Altmer aren't brought in line with other classes.

Vildebill · November 2018

Remember when Argonian was the biggest trash race and the only reason running it was some niche tank build or just lore reasons? People do seem to have short memory.

Sure, it wouldn't hurt too bad if they removed like 1000 resources from resourceful gain, but increase the max magicka then. Don't just gut the class. It's not like other classes are much worse, look at Redguard and Altmer for example.

Buff the weak races instead like Breton and make them more on par with Argonian.

Sharee · November 2018

I really don't get this rage about argonians. They have worse regen of their primary stat (magicka or stamina) than some other races, and they have to continually pay (consume potions) to even get any benefit at all, whereas other races get their regen bonus for free.

4260 stamina when i drink a potion on my argonian, thats the equivalent of 189 stam regen if i gulp potions on cooldown.

On my redguard NB, i get 792 stamina after a melee attack(so free) every 5 seconds, thats the equivalent of 317 stam regen. Then, i get a 9% stamina regen bonus on top of that.

The only thing an argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen(since he gets magicka as well). But if a stamina toon is out of stamina, its dead.

Crixus8000 · November 2018

Probably. Anything just decent in this game get's destroyed. Argonains are a good race, not op, but solid so yes they will be smashed by the nerf hammer, just like everything else. People complain too much.

Kurat · November 2018

There will be no buffing, dont get excited there. ZOS has their way of balancing. It means most races get nerfed and maybe some like Nords, Orcs buffed slightly. Read their U21 post.

Vapirko · November 2018

Whatever they do they better give us free race changes. Also I don’t think argonians should be nerfed. They’re fine.

rabidmyers · November 2018

Vapirko wrote: »

Whatever they do they better give us free race changes. Also I don’t think argonians should be nerfed. They’re fine.

ye they fine and sexy, also free race change tokens should be in order

firedrgn · November 2018

We are all going to be running around with identical blobs for characters before this is over.

dodgehopper_ESO · November 2018

Mayrael wrote: »

1. If Argonians resourceful gets nerfed so the Redguards adrenaline rush should be.
2. While you're so concerned about races balance and want "adjustments" you better prepare those race change tickets for yourself. This is what ZOS wants, they will never balance races, they will just shift meta from one race to another in the name of the holy balance so we all will be forced to buy those darn tickets.

ZOS proven many times they are unable or unwilling to do things right, they leave more things broken than fixed with each patch.

When players are afraid of next update and they are most excited because of bugs fixing from previous updates, something is seriously bad.

The problem is that some players hate 'tanky' races. Those players need to go straight to oblivion and stay there.

Feanor · November 2018

Sharee wrote: »

I really don't get this rage about argonians. They have worse regen of their primary stat (magicka or stamina) than some other races, and they have to continually pay (consume potions) to even get any benefit at all, whereas other races get their regen bonus for free.

4260 stamina when i drink a potion on my argonian, thats the equivalent of 189 stam regen if i gulp potions on cooldown.

On my redguard NB, i get 792 stamina after a melee attack(so free) every 5 seconds, thats the equivalent of 317 stam regen. Then, i get a 9% stamina regen bonus on top of that.

The only thing an argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen(since he gets magicka as well). But if a stamina toon is out of stamina, its dead.

The theoretical stat pool per second Regen is meaningless in PvP. It’s what you can actually do with that renewed pool in a reasonable time frame. Argonian excels because a natural action - consuming a potion, which you would do anyway - comes with a bonus attached that either allows you to survive or to finish your opponent in a tight spot. Also, you can simply chug cheap dropped potions.

Now, for PvE, I can buy the argument of per second Regen because of the nature of rotations. You have windows of 8 seconds or more where you do something. And that’s a time frame where you can actually accumulate meaningful resources again.

I’d expect a slight nerf to the lizards. And Nords need some good stuff, Khajiit and Imperial could see buffs as well.

John_Falstaff · November 2018

@Sharee , I'm not supporting any nerfs, but from how I understand it, that argonian passive is valuable because it gives resources much easier than Adrenaline Rush (which is also powerful for stamina, no wonder redguars are meta too). Plus potion cooldown reduction glyphs further empower that passive, and tanks can drink potions while blocking and having effectively zero regen otherwise.

ESO_Nightingale · November 2018

mb10 wrote: »

They shouldnt be.

The other races just need buffs, the Argonian passives make sense lore wise. Genetically they are incredible and their racial passives show it.

Argonians should really just be the bar for everyone else imo no need to bring them down

I agree here. Buff races!

ESO_Nightingale · November 2018

mb10 wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

They shouldnt be.

The other races just need buffs, the Argonian passives make sense lore wise. Genetically they are incredible and their racial passives show it.

Argonians should really just be the bar for everyone else imo no need to bring them down

If 1/10 races is OP, the correct approach is to adjust the OP race, not buff the 9 others. The 'buff everything else' approach to game balance is nonsensical and only results in a faster rate of power creep.

Yeah... IF the other 9 are weak... which they’re not.

High elf
Orc
Wood elf
Dark elf
Breton
Reguard

Are all very good at what they specialise in.

Nord needs love
Khajiit needs *change* to make them more unique and not so limited to the Stam nightblsde class

They need to add spell crit to it as well. IMO.

ESO_Nightingale · November 2018

Sharee wrote: »

I really don't get this rage about argonians. They have worse regen of their primary stat (magicka or stamina) than some other races, and they have to continually pay (consume potions) to even get any benefit at all, whereas other races get their regen bonus for free.

4260 stamina when i drink a potion on my argonian, thats the equivalent of 189 stam regen if i gulp potions on cooldown.

On my redguard NB, i get 792 stamina after a melee attack(so free) every 5 seconds, thats the equivalent of 317 stam regen. Then, i get a 9% stamina regen bonus on top of that.

The only thing an argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen(since he gets magicka as well). But if a stamina toon is out of stamina, its dead.

I dont hate argonians but a lot of people think they are op.

ESO_Nightingale · November 2018

Sheezabeast wrote: »

If they gut my Argonian Magplar PVE healer....I'm going to be very unhappy if Altmer aren't brought in line with other classes.

Isnt dunmer used more than altmer because most players like that 3% more fire damage along with larger stamina pools? I use altmer purely for the 2% more frost damage than dunmer. Otherwise i would be a dunmer.