Do you think argonians are going to get changes next patch?

Vapirko

firedrgn wrote: »

We are all going to be running around with identical blobs for characters before this is over.

Well I’m not entirely against some ability to pick and choose. Let’s say for example each class still retains their first passive which is just kind of silly/unique/means nothing for endgame, and then for example, let’s say orcs keep their speed passive as unique but you can choose if you want higher Stam or regen instead of increased melee damage or something. That’s how I envision it. But honestly it’s already pretty homogizned in terms of BiS races for certain roles so they can’t make that worse. This way you’ll proably see more races around and could lead to some interesting combos.

ezio45

there nerfing it into the ground, same with highelfs, dark elfs, redguard

MartiniDaniels

Majority of content is already too easy and can be completed by anybody with minimal effort, why you need to buff all races when you can cut one? anyway, from devs words it will be major overhaul of races system, not small adjustments

Beardimus

firedrgn wrote: »

We are all going to be running around with identical blobs for characters before this is over.

With the huge surge towards argonians that already happened after they got buffed last year...lizard blobs

WuffyCerulei

I'm honestly hoping they'll let us choose a particular resource for that passive and have the amount boosted while we gain none of the other 2. That's just me, but they may have something else in mind.

Sharee

Feanor wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

I really don't get this rage about argonians. They have worse regen of their primary stat (magicka or stamina) than some other races, and they have to continually pay (consume potions) to even get any benefit at all, whereas other races get their regen bonus for free.

4260 stamina when i drink a potion on my argonian, thats the equivalent of 189 stam regen if i gulp potions on cooldown.

On my redguard NB, i get 792 stamina after a melee attack(so free) every 5 seconds, thats the equivalent of 317 stam regen. Then, i get a 9% stamina regen bonus on top of that.

The only thing an argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen(since he gets magicka as well). But if a stamina toon is out of stamina, its dead.

The theoretical stat pool per second Regen is meaningless in PvP. It’s what you can actually do with that renewed pool in a reasonable time frame. Argonian excels because a natural action - consuming a potion, which you would do anyway - comes with a bonus attached that either allows you to survive or to finish your opponent in a tight spot. Also, you can simply chug cheap dropped potions.

I understand what you are saying. When you are in a tight spot, then an argonian has an easier time recovering than a redguard, because he gets a large chunk of resources all at once.

Keep in mind however that this is a scenario that is biased towards the argonian. It ignores the fact that the redguard might not be put in that tight spot in the firstplace, thanks to his own racial.

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@Sharee , I'm not supporting any nerfs, but from how I understand it, that argonian passive is valuable because it gives resources much easier than Adrenaline Rush (which is also powerful for stamina, no wonder redguars are meta too). Plus potion cooldown reduction glyphs further empower that passive, and tanks can drink potions while blocking and having effectively zero regen otherwise.

Potion cooldown reductions are not free however. They come at the cost of giving up other bonuses you might want on that jewelry. Thus it is not fair to say "argonians have it better because of pot CD reduction" because then you are comparing one race's racial to another race's racial plus a jewelry bonus. Of course the latter will be better( but it comes at a cost).

Kurat

Leave poor lizards alone. They dont need nerfing.

Tommy_The_Gun

templesus wrote: »

Anyone who thinks argonian shouldn’t be nerfed probably plays as an argonian.

#1 race for Healers. #1 race for Tanks. Most common race in PvP. The race is overperforming.

If you have played on max leveled argonian character at least once you would know that their "Resourceful" passive is not as strong as people say (ok don't get me wrong - it is a strong passive... But it is not as strong as people say it is). People simply tend to overrate things - especially if they don't play much using specific race / class and once they read passive description on some eso wiki they are like.. IT IS SUPER OP ! ! !

It is even hard to call it a passive as it is not a "passive" passive. Instead it is a proc - passive and sure - you get "burst" recovery but in order for this to work in pvp you need 3x infused jewelry with potion cooldown. In other words - you have to build for it and make sacrefices for it to be strong. And btw. - you can achive similar result with any race if you use tri-stat pots & 3x infused jewelry with potion cooldown enchant.

I would also like to point out that relying solely on "Recorcfull" pssive is a double headed axe and you will often end up in a situation when you are low on stamia, your potions are on cooldown and you are getting stunned & die.
Races that have constant "passive" bonus to recovery don't have that problem.
The only reason people pick argonian as a tank or for pvp is you get slighly more stamina while blocking and weapon disease enchant can't proc minor defile on you (just like bosmer, argonians have disease resistance bonus).

As for the "bis" healers it is debatable. Altmer & breton seems to be better choices as they have 10% bonus to max magicka vs argonian 5% healing done.

As someone who played this game since 2014 I can tell you this: Argonian resourcefull is not op or anything when you take into account that argonias have no % bonus to recovery. This passive has a potenial to be strong when you use 3x infused jewelry with potion cooldown enchant.
If something needs to be looked into next update it is the infused jewelry or potion cooldown enchants - not argonian passive.

John_Falstaff

@Sharee , I'm rather comparing both races' racial bonuses with jewelry bonus, taken together. And granted, on, say, PvE DD the sacrifices would be noticeable, but now much it is, to trade triune/swift/healthy for infused plus CD reduction for a tank? A tank has certain reserve of survivability, and many don't find it disagreeable to run Alkosh with useless 2-4pc bonuses for 5pc bonus (which, again, is useless for tanks themselves). If a tank trades 3k health for ability to permablock (because of large resource return from potions), is it a large sacrifice? I don't think it is.

Again, I'm not supporting the nerf, just sharing my view on why this passive is more powerful than you describe.

Biro123

Sharee wrote: »

I really don't get this rage about argonians. They have worse regen of their primary stat (magicka or stamina) than some other races, and they have to continually pay (consume potions) to even get any benefit at all, whereas other races get their regen bonus for free.

4260 stamina when i drink a potion on my argonian, thats the equivalent of 189 stam regen if i gulp potions on cooldown.

On my redguard NB, i get 792 stamina after a melee attack(so free) every 5 seconds, thats the equivalent of 317 stam regen. Then, i get a 9% stamina regen bonus on top of that.

The only thing an argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen(since he gets magicka as well). But if a stamina toon is out of stamina, its dead.

However, you can build to reduce the pot cooldown by pretty-much half, turning that 189 into 378 - ON EVERY STAT. (while also benefiting directly from the extra pot benefits.. If you're chugging tri-pots on a reduced cd too, you honestly need no other sustain).. Not to mention that this doesn't require you to stay in melee and be constantly attacking.
The heals and health bonuses are pretty sweet too for PVP. Argonian is like heavy armour but better.

UndeniablyAVG

Sharee wrote: »

I really don't get this rage about argonians. They have worse regen of their primary stat (magicka or stamina) than some other races, and they have to continually pay (consume potions) to even get any benefit at all, whereas other races get their regen bonus for free.

4260 stamina when i drink a potion on my argonian, thats the equivalent of 189 stam regen if i gulp potions on cooldown.

On my redguard NB, i get 792 stamina after a melee attack(so free) every 5 seconds, thats the equivalent of 317 stam regen. Then, i get a 9% stamina regen bonus on top of that.

The only thing an argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen(since he gets magicka as well). But if a stamina toon is out of stamina, its dead.

I wish that ZOS and other players complaining would look at the figures like this before destroying the race completely.

Kurat

If Argonians are so op then why not play as them yourself. Why call nerfs.
They may be the best tanks but people wanna use them for other roles also. They are about the same with Bretons and Altmers when it comes to healing. And let's not even mention dps. If pots are being nerfed then they should get some regen or cost reduction passives or max resource. But then they would be like everyone else, there would be no diversity. Do you want races to be just cosmetic feature.

Royaji

Sharee wrote: »

I really don't get this rage about argonians. They have worse regen of their primary stat (magicka or stamina) than some other races, and they have to continually pay (consume potions) to even get any benefit at all, whereas other races get their regen bonus for free.

4260 stamina when i drink a potion on my argonian, thats the equivalent of 189 stam regen if i gulp potions on cooldown.

On my redguard NB, i get 792 stamina after a melee attack(so free) every 5 seconds, thats the equivalent of 317 stam regen. Then, i get a 9% stamina regen bonus on top of that.

The only thing an argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen(since he gets magicka as well). But if a stamina toon is out of stamina, its dead.

Are we going to conveniently ignore that it is 189 stamina, 189 magicka and 189 health regen?

Typos

Girl_Number8

I wouldn't be surprised if someone from zos helps with these heated threads xD. "If we get them upset 'cha ching' for the crown store. And this will keep them from talking about the servers that we could of fixed a looooong time ago, let's toast!!"

Sharee

Royaji wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

I really don't get this rage about argonians. They have worse regen of their primary stat (magicka or stamina) than some other races, and they have to continually pay (consume potions) to even get any benefit at all, whereas other races get their regen bonus for free.

4260 stamina when i drink a potion on my argonian, thats the equivalent of 189 stam regen if i gulp potions on cooldown.

On my redguard NB, i get 792 stamina after a melee attack(so free) every 5 seconds, thats the equivalent of 317 stam regen. Then, i get a 9% stamina regen bonus on top of that.

The only thing an argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen(since he gets magicka as well). But if a stamina toon is out of stamina, its dead.

Are we going to conveniently ignore that it is 189 stamina, 189 magicka and 189 health regen?

Please read the post you are quoting before replying.

They have worse regen of their primary stat

argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen

Sharee

Biro123 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

I really don't get this rage about argonians. They have worse regen of their primary stat (magicka or stamina) than some other races, and they have to continually pay (consume potions) to even get any benefit at all, whereas other races get their regen bonus for free.

4260 stamina when i drink a potion on my argonian, thats the equivalent of 189 stam regen if i gulp potions on cooldown.

On my redguard NB, i get 792 stamina after a melee attack(so free) every 5 seconds, thats the equivalent of 317 stam regen. Then, i get a 9% stamina regen bonus on top of that.

The only thing an argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen(since he gets magicka as well). But if a stamina toon is out of stamina, its dead.

However, you can build to reduce the pot cooldown by pretty-much half, turning that 189 into 378 - ON EVERY STAT.

Sure. But if a redguard sacrifices all his jewelry slots for regen in the same manner, he will get 3x270=810 stam regen, which will immediately be boosted by 9%(racial) to 883 stamina regen, in addition to his 317 regen from adrenaline, for a total of ~1200 extra stam regen.

On a stamina toon, would you rather have 378 regen on every stat, or a 1200 regen on the stat that is most important to you? I know what i'd choose.

Royaji

Sharee wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

I really don't get this rage about argonians. They have worse regen of their primary stat (magicka or stamina) than some other races, and they have to continually pay (consume potions) to even get any benefit at all, whereas other races get their regen bonus for free.

4260 stamina when i drink a potion on my argonian, thats the equivalent of 189 stam regen if i gulp potions on cooldown.

On my redguard NB, i get 792 stamina after a melee attack(so free) every 5 seconds, thats the equivalent of 317 stam regen. Then, i get a 9% stamina regen bonus on top of that.

The only thing an argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen(since he gets magicka as well). But if a stamina toon is out of stamina, its dead.

Are we going to conveniently ignore that it is 189 stamina, 189 magicka and 189 health regen?

Please read the post you are quoting before replying.

They have worse regen of their primary stat

argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen

This is not an insignificant detail you can say "the only thing" about. The way Argonians get their regen - a big chunk immediately - and the fact that it is combined with a decent amount of health and secondary resource makes Resourceful a very strong passive that gives a significant advantage and ability to reset fights. In post-Morrowind sustain deprived world this passive is not balanced.

And comparing to Redguard is a bit tricky too since they are also known overperfomers in regards to sustain. I do expect to see nerfs to both Adrenaline Rush and Resourceful.

Kadoin

Biro123 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

I really don't get this rage about argonians. They have worse regen of their primary stat (magicka or stamina) than some other races, and they have to continually pay (consume potions) to even get any benefit at all, whereas other races get their regen bonus for free.

4260 stamina when i drink a potion on my argonian, thats the equivalent of 189 stam regen if i gulp potions on cooldown.

On my redguard NB, i get 792 stamina after a melee attack(so free) every 5 seconds, thats the equivalent of 317 stam regen. Then, i get a 9% stamina regen bonus on top of that.

The only thing an argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen(since he gets magicka as well). But if a stamina toon is out of stamina, its dead.

However, you can build to reduce the pot cooldown by pretty-much half, turning that 189 into 378 - ON EVERY STAT. (while also benefiting directly from the extra pot benefits.. If you're chugging tri-pots on a reduced cd too, you honestly need no other sustain).. Not to mention that this doesn't require you to stay in melee and be constantly attacking.
The heals and health bonuses are pretty sweet too for PVP. Argonian is like heavy armour but better.

People will keep pretending that is not the case. When something is growing in population in Cyrodil and BGs, it's OP almost every time. Most PvPers do anything to win after all, even turn into a horrifying scaled beast!

Sharee

Royaji wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

I really don't get this rage about argonians. They have worse regen of their primary stat (magicka or stamina) than some other races, and they have to continually pay (consume potions) to even get any benefit at all, whereas other races get their regen bonus for free.

4260 stamina when i drink a potion on my argonian, thats the equivalent of 189 stam regen if i gulp potions on cooldown.

On my redguard NB, i get 792 stamina after a melee attack(so free) every 5 seconds, thats the equivalent of 317 stam regen. Then, i get a 9% stamina regen bonus on top of that.

The only thing an argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen(since he gets magicka as well). But if a stamina toon is out of stamina, its dead.

Are we going to conveniently ignore that it is 189 stamina, 189 magicka and 189 health regen?

Please read the post you are quoting before replying.

They have worse regen of their primary stat

argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen

This is not an insignificant detail you can say "the only thing" about. The way Argonians get their regen - a big chunk immediately - and the fact that it is combined with a decent amount of health and secondary resource makes Resourceful a very strong passive that gives a significant advantage and ability to reset fights. In post-Morrowind sustain deprived world this passive is not balanced.

And comparing to Redguard is a bit tricky too since they are also known overperfomers in regards to sustain. I do expect to see nerfs to both Adrenaline Rush and Resourceful.

I never said its not strong, i said it is worse than redguard for the regen of your primary resource. Which it is. Which means being an argonian is a trade-off, as opposed to the holy grail of racials like some here would have people believe.

Royaji

Sharee wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

I really don't get this rage about argonians. They have worse regen of their primary stat (magicka or stamina) than some other races, and they have to continually pay (consume potions) to even get any benefit at all, whereas other races get their regen bonus for free.

4260 stamina when i drink a potion on my argonian, thats the equivalent of 189 stam regen if i gulp potions on cooldown.

On my redguard NB, i get 792 stamina after a melee attack(so free) every 5 seconds, thats the equivalent of 317 stam regen. Then, i get a 9% stamina regen bonus on top of that.

The only thing an argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen(since he gets magicka as well). But if a stamina toon is out of stamina, its dead.

Are we going to conveniently ignore that it is 189 stamina, 189 magicka and 189 health regen?

Please read the post you are quoting before replying.

They have worse regen of their primary stat

argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen

This is not an insignificant detail you can say "the only thing" about. The way Argonians get their regen - a big chunk immediately - and the fact that it is combined with a decent amount of health and secondary resource makes Resourceful a very strong passive that gives a significant advantage and ability to reset fights. In post-Morrowind sustain deprived world this passive is not balanced.

And comparing to Redguard is a bit tricky too since they are also known overperfomers in regards to sustain. I do expect to see nerfs to both Adrenaline Rush and Resourceful.

I never said its not strong, i said it is worse than redguard for the regen of your primary resource. Which it is. Which means being an argonian is a trade-off, as opposed to the holy grail of racials like some here would have people believe.

And no one said that Argonians are the holy grail of primary resource sustain. It's their overall strength - burst sustain, triple regen, ability to get sustain from non-sustain potions that makes them BiS tanks, healers and a great PvP choice for non-gank builds.

OneKhajiitCrimeWave

Kadoin wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

I really don't get this rage about argonians. They have worse regen of their primary stat (magicka or stamina) than some other races, and they have to continually pay (consume potions) to even get any benefit at all, whereas other races get their regen bonus for free.

4260 stamina when i drink a potion on my argonian, thats the equivalent of 189 stam regen if i gulp potions on cooldown.

On my redguard NB, i get 792 stamina after a melee attack(so free) every 5 seconds, thats the equivalent of 317 stam regen. Then, i get a 9% stamina regen bonus on top of that.

The only thing an argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen(since he gets magicka as well). But if a stamina toon is out of stamina, its dead.

However, you can build to reduce the pot cooldown by pretty-much half, turning that 189 into 378 - ON EVERY STAT. (while also benefiting directly from the extra pot benefits.. If you're chugging tri-pots on a reduced cd too, you honestly need no other sustain).. Not to mention that this doesn't require you to stay in melee and be constantly attacking.
The heals and health bonuses are pretty sweet too for PVP. Argonian is like heavy armour but better.

People will keep pretending that is not the case. When something is growing in population in Cyrodil and BGs, it's OP almost every time. Most PvPers do anything to win after all, even turn into a horrifying scaled beast!

This. Everyone wants that little edge in PvP to tip things more in their favour. There is no arguing that fact of life.

I don't think the hit on the Lizard folk is going to be huge. It shouldn't be a "sky is falling" scenario if done right (praying for precision balancing as needed)

There was something in the wording of the announcement that had me intrigued and hopeful (probably reading too much in to it), and that was the note that the races should be viable in all roles (can't remember the exact quote on it).

Now, for that to happen then racial passives need to diversify. Can a Khajiit Templar heal a dungeon currently? Yeah but passively it gets literally zero assistance (unless being a vigor healer). I'm hoping that the plan is to be able to pick from opposing passive trees so that they branch towards mag and stam for races to give options.

Sharee

Royaji wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

I really don't get this rage about argonians. They have worse regen of their primary stat (magicka or stamina) than some other races, and they have to continually pay (consume potions) to even get any benefit at all, whereas other races get their regen bonus for free.

4260 stamina when i drink a potion on my argonian, thats the equivalent of 189 stam regen if i gulp potions on cooldown.

On my redguard NB, i get 792 stamina after a melee attack(so free) every 5 seconds, thats the equivalent of 317 stam regen. Then, i get a 9% stamina regen bonus on top of that.

The only thing an argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen(since he gets magicka as well). But if a stamina toon is out of stamina, its dead.

Are we going to conveniently ignore that it is 189 stamina, 189 magicka and 189 health regen?

Please read the post you are quoting before replying.

They have worse regen of their primary stat

argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen

This is not an insignificant detail you can say "the only thing" about. The way Argonians get their regen - a big chunk immediately - and the fact that it is combined with a decent amount of health and secondary resource makes Resourceful a very strong passive that gives a significant advantage and ability to reset fights. In post-Morrowind sustain deprived world this passive is not balanced.

And comparing to Redguard is a bit tricky too since they are also known overperfomers in regards to sustain. I do expect to see nerfs to both Adrenaline Rush and Resourceful.

I never said its not strong, i said it is worse than redguard for the regen of your primary resource. Which it is. Which means being an argonian is a trade-off, as opposed to the holy grail of racials like some here would have people believe.

And no one said that Argonians are the holy grail of primary resource sustain. It's their overall strength - burst sustain, triple regen, ability to get sustain from non-sustain potions that makes them BiS tanks, healers and a great PvP choice for non-gank builds.

As you say, they are great for some roles, not so great for others. Thats balance.

Exodium

Argonian needs a nerf. The class is being abused in pvp by stamdks, stamplars, stamdens and stamblades even though its got more magicka oriented bonuses.

Why is that? Because the resourceful passive carries. Who needs to run any other race when you have a tri-pot built into your passives. Damage will come from other sources (broken sets and the huge cp pool now available). Argonian just makes you immortal while dishing out ridiculous damage. There is no drawback besides looking like a *** gremlin.

dodgehopper_ESO

Royaji wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

I really don't get this rage about argonians. They have worse regen of their primary stat (magicka or stamina) than some other races, and they have to continually pay (consume potions) to even get any benefit at all, whereas other races get their regen bonus for free.

4260 stamina when i drink a potion on my argonian, thats the equivalent of 189 stam regen if i gulp potions on cooldown.

On my redguard NB, i get 792 stamina after a melee attack(so free) every 5 seconds, thats the equivalent of 317 stam regen. Then, i get a 9% stamina regen bonus on top of that.

The only thing an argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen(since he gets magicka as well). But if a stamina toon is out of stamina, its dead.

Are we going to conveniently ignore that it is 189 stamina, 189 magicka and 189 health regen?

Please read the post you are quoting before replying.

They have worse regen of their primary stat

argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen

This is not an insignificant detail you can say "the only thing" about. The way Argonians get their regen - a big chunk immediately - and the fact that it is combined with a decent amount of health and secondary resource makes Resourceful a very strong passive that gives a significant advantage and ability to reset fights. In post-Morrowind sustain deprived world this passive is not balanced.

And comparing to Redguard is a bit tricky too since they are also known overperfomers in regards to sustain. I do expect to see nerfs to both Adrenaline Rush and Resourceful.

This is true of Dunmers, Altmers, and Bretons. While you're at it they should nerf Bosmer and Khajiit stealth and crit bonuses because they overperform for stealthing. Orcs are brutal deadly tanks. Maybe they need to be nerfed as well. You people are smoking skooma if you think Argonians need a nerf.

EDIT: I'd also like to say that if you want other Tank races to perform better that is a reasonable request. Argonian would need a total rework which frankly I'm pretty damn tired of having to completely rebuild my Argonian because they can't get their *** together and make the race cohesive. This race has changed too many damn times.

ESO_Nightingale

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

I really don't get this rage about argonians. They have worse regen of their primary stat (magicka or stamina) than some other races, and they have to continually pay (consume potions) to even get any benefit at all, whereas other races get their regen bonus for free.

4260 stamina when i drink a potion on my argonian, thats the equivalent of 189 stam regen if i gulp potions on cooldown.

On my redguard NB, i get 792 stamina after a melee attack(so free) every 5 seconds, thats the equivalent of 317 stam regen. Then, i get a 9% stamina regen bonus on top of that.

The only thing an argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen(since he gets magicka as well). But if a stamina toon is out of stamina, its dead.

Are we going to conveniently ignore that it is 189 stamina, 189 magicka and 189 health regen?

Please read the post you are quoting before replying.

They have worse regen of their primary stat

argonian is better at is the secondary-stat regen

This is not an insignificant detail you can say "the only thing" about. The way Argonians get their regen - a big chunk immediately - and the fact that it is combined with a decent amount of health and secondary resource makes Resourceful a very strong passive that gives a significant advantage and ability to reset fights. In post-Morrowind sustain deprived world this passive is not balanced.

And comparing to Redguard is a bit tricky too since they are also known overperfomers in regards to sustain. I do expect to see nerfs to both Adrenaline Rush and Resourceful.

This is true of Dunmers, Altmers, and Bretons. While you're at it they should nerf Bosmer and Khajiit stealth and crit bonuses because they overperform for stealthing. Orcs are brutal deadly tanks. Maybe they need to be nerfed as well. You people are smoking skooma if you think Argonians need a nerf.

I want a race that gives spell crit like Khajiit's neat weapon crit. Edit: damn that was a hella messed up sentence. i gotta go to bed.

Minyassa

The only thing they need to change about Argonians is some appearance options at character creation because we need chameleon faces and iridescent skins.

dodgehopper_ESO

Minyassa wrote: »

The only thing they need to change about Argonians is some appearance options at character creation because we need chameleon faces and iridescent skins.

I would love to see them give us the Naga fish-head as well =D

HappyLittleTree

rabidrufus64 wrote: »

idc if they do get nerfed, i play them simply cuz i enjoy the race, not for passives lol

Yeah same for me, i started playing them when their biggest benefit was the faster swim speed xD

Azurya

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Specifically, do you think they will look at resourceful?

yeah NERF them!!!
It is about time,
nobody played them for years until someone read the text to the racials
until then we played them because they swim so fast, what wasn´t such an advantage while questing in alikr-desert.............

but yeah nerf them,
and maybe all those other racial passives which huges amounts of regenration, to much health, magicka or stamina base,
aso, if we start looking a bit more it is ridicolous what many races have

NERF THEM ALL, NO MORE PASSIVES ANYMORE
after that
NERF ALL SKILLS, WAY TO OP, NERF IT ALL
after that
NERF ALL FOOD, DRINKS, POTIONS, POISONS, WAY TO OP
after that
NERF ALL GLYPHS, WAY TO OP
after that
NERF ALL STUFF FROM ARENAS, vMA, DSA, AS, BRP, WAY TO OP
after that
NERF ALL ARMOUR AND WEAPONS, WAY TO OP

but....
no need to go that far,
the game will die earlier.

this is all so ridiculous,
I ask myself, if you really think an argonian is OP, because of the pots,
why don´t you have yourself an argonian????

John_Falstaff

@Azurya , too loud. Again, I'm not proponent of any nerfs (I like buffs much more). But I think that the answer to last question - why don't you have yourself an argonian? - is quite obvious. It is: because I associate myself with nord / breton / orc / dunmer / altmer / bosmer / khajiit, underline the appropriate. That simplest answer - that they might be just staying true to themselves - somehow didn't happen with you.