oxygen_thief wrote: »

Enemoriana wrote: »

Discrimination would be if only that chat would be available. Just have one more option - isn't a problem.

it will be a problem it will discriminate other players italians for example. game have chat zones for officially localized versions only.
you know when you are in a small company and you need to socialize with people in it but they deliberately use language you dont understand whereas they can speak yours then it can be rude. when you are on a street crowded by thousands of random people from all over the world which are chatting with each other while passing by you cant expect they will speak english only because you can occasionally hear their words. you cant tell them to go away because you cant understand their languages and it makes you anxious otherwise you are rude, dangerous to society and should be isolated.

Nah, the situation is more like a drunk company is yelling on the street and all other people just want them to be quieter.

Everytime someone talks rus in the zone chat I wish I had rainbow costume

Enemoriana wrote: »

Russian-speaking segment (this temporarily contains not only Russia itself) is just biggest one.

ftfy

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I dont mind it. Not native russian speaker, cant understand a word, but I know how to read, so it's fun for me just to read the words even not knowing what they mean. In general, russian people are very kind, if u do stupid mistakes they forgive you and help u to move fowards. Im playing in PC eu myself, I see russian speakers, but they dont bother me, it's not like its constant (<50% of chat), so to sort this issue for you. You can Disable chat , turn on guild chat only, disable zonechat, there's loads of settings you can use. I bet most people dont mind if there's in chat german, french, russian or any other language, it's not like it's manditory for you to read everything, you can just have a quick look and do your thing, chat doesnt require you to scroll up and down to read. if it does, make it bigger

adree wrote: »

New Bethesda studio has been opened few weeks ago in Moscow and also there's a russian community manager for teso, at least thats how it was anounced in some videos. So prepare yourself Mother Russia is coming.

Rip EU server. ☠️

Enemoriana wrote: »

pzschrek wrote: »

Enemoriana wrote: »

Russian-speaking segment (this temporarily contains not only Russia itself) is just biggest one.

ftfy

Eh, what?
It was like this long before and will be long after. It's a bit like english for smaller area: language most common and understandable.

It's shrinking. Young generations in post Soviet countries use it less and less.

@Enemoriana
We'll see the dynamics in the future. Mentioned Ukraine, for example, is going to introduce more hours of English classes is schools while Russian was removed from almost all schools. Yes, kids will still learn it from parents (well, why not to know an additional language), but better knowledge of English will allow them to communicate more with English speaking communities and feel themselves more confident in English versions of games.

I was born in Eastern Europe and Russian is one of my native languages, but when choosing between between Eng and Ru version of MMO, I will never choose the second one. Partially this is due to the quality of translation and the voice acting (when Eng is original, Ru often sounds and looks meh. It just can't capture all sublties).
Single player games can be a different story tho.

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

@Enemoriana
We'll see the dynamics in the future. Mentioned Ukraine, for example, is going to introduce more hours of English classes is schools while Russian was removed from almost all schools. Yes, kids will still learn it from parents (well, why not to know an additional language), but better knowledge of English will allow them to communicate more with English speaking communities and feel themselves more confident in English versions of games.

I was born in Eastern Europe and Russian is one of my native languages, but when choosing between between Eng and Ru version of MMO, I will never choose the second one. Partially this is due to the quality of translation and the voice acting (when Eng is original, Ru often sounds and looks meh. It just can't capture all sublties).
Single player games can be a different story tho.

Even russian players sometimes prefer original sound
(And that's one more reason I'm against idea of russian localization of ESO many other russian players want - it would be terrible!)
Still, too much people don't know english good enough to play games in original language. More hours in schools is good, really good (I fully support idea of everybody knowing english), but...
For most people school english wouldn't be enough. Even doing good on lessons doesn't mean you'll be able to play.
We have english in schools too. Still a lot of people can't use it normally. Half of my friends studied english in school and can't enjoy or even play ESO in original. Other half mostly need english for work. As for me - I studied it from first grade and had a lot hours of it a week for 9 years with a good teachers (later I changed school from language to physics and math and there was less hours). In school always had 4 in five-point system (with 5 best). But I never was really interested. It was still hard for me to start play ESO, and even now it is hard to write in english (and I have terrible amount of mistakes). And I didn't manage to play "Alice Madness returns" in english, by the way. ESO is much easier! (Also I studied german and french, for 5 and 2 years. I can only read very simple text in first and will recognize some words in second)
And I don't believe that all ukrainian teachers of english are better, than ours. It'll be the same: people who is intrested in languages or need it, will know it good, but majority will know not much more than "London is the capital of Great Britain".
So yes, one day there will be more english using people then using russian, but it will take a lot of time...

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

Rip EU server. ☠️

Oh, come on, this forum buries servers every patch. I see often a German language in Auridon /zone, but all is ok: nobody crying, all playing as before. Also I see a lot of abusive language and flood in English, but again all people are satisfied.

Enemoriana wrote: »

For most people school english wouldn't be enough. Even doing good on lessons doesn't mean you'll be able to play.

Agree. More hours isn't high quality. To understand language you need to live with it. We learning simple British English when Internet very often is using an American English. Education preparing you for tourism level, you will never understand a literature language which is used in games, movies. Personally for me English sounds emotionless and I'd like to read/hear my native language than something that could means everything. Judging people who don't understand high level language they don't use in real life is stupid.

lnsane wrote: »

Anyone playing this game has at least a basic understanding of either English, German or French, since those are the only flavours this game comes in.

Not really. We have RuESO - unofficial text localization. It isn't finished (about 60%, mostly AD remains), but still. So some russian players that use it doesn't really have even "basic understanding" of any other languages.

maboleth wrote: »

Balticthunder wrote: »

Most of EU and USA people are so naive towards russians - majority of them still live in soviet mindsets. They are not going to use russian chat, simple as that. For them we are still enemies, damn capitalists and they love every minute if they can do something to anoy us. Their society is build on principle that the cool guys are those, who can make others life miserable, you can get all the respect for doing such things. Thats why they love putin so much lol.

Some russian players here already stated that they dont want to see more of their natives here and it's because of what I said above.
Sorry, but it is still about politics for them than happy and healthy international gaming.

Sorry, it's YOU to whom this is politics and YOU stuck in the Cold War, soviet mindset, thinking to know Russians from the trash mass media, but actually having no clue. Citing one Russian guy shaming of his natives is by no means a set standard or hallmark. Again, that is so typical of Slavs to go against each other. I have never seen Germans, Brits or French being ashamed of what they are and how they write. Nor did I see threads here about Germans storming the zone chat (it happened so many times - zone, BGs, Cyrodiil). It's all about Cyrillic alphabet and Russians - 1000% politics, 0% tolerance or "happy healthy international gaming", as far as this thread goes. Luckily, in RL, it's much better.

It is undenyable that there is a large amount of russian players that gain their joy from griefing (and most of the time those people are pretty honest about that). I played many smaller indie MMOs and multiplayer roguelikes where the word 'russian' was interchangeable to raider, griefer, hacker, exploiter and so on. On the forums of those games you find russians boasting about how they griefed noobs. In global chat the openly admit that they derive joy from those actions. I actually once seen developers considering IP banning all russians because of the continued damage that those players did to his game.

Now, you might think I say that all russians are bad. Well, no. I just think that their bad players are the generally the most honest ones.

lnsane wrote: »

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I wouldn't buy a Russian game, because it's useless to me. Same goes for them the other way around. Anyone playing this game has at least a basic understanding of either English, German or French, since those are the only flavours this game comes in.

what makes you think so? what do mean by basic level? is it cefr a1 or something else? you dont need any language skills to buy a game and press a play button in the steam store because it has a localized ui. anyway other languages are not forbidden by rules thus you can think whatever you want about russians and other nationalities.

oxygen_thief wrote: »

lnsane wrote: »

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I wouldn't buy a Russian game, because it's useless to me. Same goes for them the other way around. Anyone playing this game has at least a basic understanding of either English, German or French, since those are the only flavours this game comes in.

what makes you think so? what do mean by basic level? is it cefr a1 or something else? you dont need any language skills to buy a game and press a play button in the steam store because it has a localized ui. anyway other languages are not forbidden by rules thus you can think whatever you want about russians and other nationalities.

By needing a basic understanding of one of the supported languages I meant being able to follow the quest- and story-lines, (which are only offered in one of the supported languages) to fully enjoy the game's experience. The story is the beating heart of this - and any - TES game. (Which, as another kind player already pointed out, is not even applicable here with the existence of RuESO) You're absolutely right in that you don't need to be able to speak any language if all you're looking for is smashing buttons - though I find that a silly reason to buy a story-heavy RPG.

Also, I'm not asking for anything to be forbidden - on the contrary. So please don't assume I have a problem with Russians or other nationalities, you'll only make a fool of yourself.

Enemoriana wrote: »

Also it's much easier to find russian localization of games than, for example, ukrainian.

There is no profit to make localisations for Ukrainians. It's because developers see that Ukraine will soon be wiped out from the world map. Guess by whom?

"Add russian zone chat"

omg yes please do that