ravenarc wrote: »

The problem with mounts is that they all feel the same and even worst, over the course of year, the mount prices are getting even more and more ridiculous but at the same time decrease on its quality. e.g. The reskinned mount we have now.

But what if; We are able to customize our mounts to our liking and at the same time ZOS can rework the mount monetization? But how will it work? It will have the same mechanics on how character outfitting works so instead of fixed mount appearance we will have a customizable skin, accessory/armor, VFX, & Voice FX which are sold separately through crown store.

• Replacing reskinned mount as Skins only for a justified price.
  Don't we hate these overpriced reskinned mounts that feels like we're buying another set of mount just for a reskin? Instead of buying it at full price why not reduce the price for a reasonable amount? I think this way, you'll earn more and not to mention a reason to sell another outfitting slot for mounts. Yet better, more micro-transactions! Everybody benefits!
  
  
• Able to use/transfer the Speed, stamina, & bags accessories to any mount of the same category. e.g. Horse stamina armor is only usable by another horse.
  This is the proposed replacement along with the Skins only over the overpriced mount reskins so instead of selling us mounts with fixed appearance, sell them separately.

Possible additional customization:

• War Paints
• Accessory Dyeing
• VFX
• Voice FX

Allowing us to personalize our mounts is a good idea. So I support your OP. It's going to be lame when I finally get my Indrik mount and everyone else and their mother is going to be riding around on the exact same thing. So more variety is needed.

I'd also like to see mounted combat in the landscape areas. Kind of annoying having to jump on and off your mount every time you see a node or a monster.

idk wrote: »

This is very vague and could mean a few things, easily.

I am going to assume OP means to say they want to share their horse traits across characters and just did not word it as intended.

See, Zos sells horse training in the crown store so they do not have an incentive to add something like this. Of course they could do something where they sell in the crown store the means to transfer some horse stats. Maybe half the regular crown store pricing.

Of course, more could be like me and not buy those mounts and such and save a good amount of cash. Plan ahead for a new character, roll it and start training the mount ahead of time. Pretty simple solutions that work well.

Just the appearance not the stats.

Mounts get appearance upgrade through Speed, Stamina, & Bags at rank 20. Having the ability to fit this accessories in other mounts is a great upgrade on customization.

Acrolas wrote: »

The Ebon Spider is the same price and quality as the Chroma-Blue Spider released in August/September 2017.

https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/chroma-blue-dwarven-spider-mount
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/ebon-steel-dwarven-spider

The issue is that the discount is negligible; there's no real opinion change between a 3600 crown mount and a 4000 crown mount. If you buy it at 3600 you would likely buy it at 4000. If you weren't going to buy it at 4000, a 400 crown discount isn't going to change your mind.

You can't successfully offer a deal to an unconvinced buyer because it's not going to be perceived as a deal. That's the issue they need to work through.

Not overhauling the entire mount system where a 4,000 Spider mount becomes a 4,000 Spider skin on a 3,000 Spider mount you had to purchase to unlock the skinning system on that mount model. Skins aren't going to make the system any less expensive. Just more complicated.

But more customization.

See how successful outfitting was? Back then, everything was black & white where everyone is running the same looking set just to get BIS. This also makes micro-transaction more tolerable because we'll have more freedom instead of buying a forced bundle and throwing the rest to trash just because we only like one item but can't purchase it without going through the bundled paywall.

ravenarc wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

The Ebon Spider is the same price and quality as the Chroma-Blue Spider released in August/September 2017.

https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/chroma-blue-dwarven-spider-mount
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/ebon-steel-dwarven-spider

The issue is that the discount is negligible; there's no real opinion change between a 3600 crown mount and a 4000 crown mount. If you buy it at 3600 you would likely buy it at 4000. If you weren't going to buy it at 4000, a 400 crown discount isn't going to change your mind.

You can't successfully offer a deal to an unconvinced buyer because it's not going to be perceived as a deal. That's the issue they need to work through.

Not overhauling the entire mount system where a 4,000 Spider mount becomes a 4,000 Spider skin on a 3,000 Spider mount you had to purchase to unlock the skinning system on that mount model. Skins aren't going to make the system any less expensive. Just more complicated.

But more customization.

See how successful outfitting was? Back then, everything was black & white where everyone is running the same looking set just to get BIS. This also makes micro-transaction more tolerable because we'll have more freedom instead of buying a forced bundle and throwing the rest to trash just because we only like one item but can't purchase it without going through the bundled paywall.

Taking the new dwarven spider mount as an example, what would happen now under your system? I'm guessing it would be released as a skin rather than a new mount. So if you hadn't already bought one of the other spider mounts you wouldn't be able to get it?

There's ways around it. They could sell the basic spider mount alongside it. But then you'd be paying double for that one new mount you wanted when you didn't want the original one enough to buy it in the first place. Maybe they could do a pack of both at a discount but it would still be considerably more than a single mount.

Another alternative is for it to be available as either a mount or a skin but that kind of defeats the purpose of skins and even that is problematic. Do they sell them for the same price? If so, what's the benefit of the skin? Or they could make the skin cheaper. So you can get exactly the same mount cheaper than me just because you've already bought one similar.

Another big problem with this is that they have just introduced a system that will effectively reskin mounts with the Indrik mount. They've set the benchmark for how anything like that in the future will work and that will be as a permanent change to an existing mount, removing the original. Not many people will be willing to lose a mount that they've paid for just for the sake of the illusion of customization.

And it would be an illusion - it doesn't really matter if you have two mounts or one mount and one skin, the end result is identical.

ZOS really needs to work on their pricing and quality standards. The items are way overpriced for simple work. Take a look at Riot Games and how they handle LoL, who make a fortune in micro-transactions. The art of micro-transactions is far more complex than ZOS currently thinks---well not really, just sell stuff that people want and have a quality standard for certain price points.

For example: Riot Games provide quality items in their store for a fair price. $10 CAD is 980 RP + 40 bonus RP. For 975 RP a Canadian player can purchase one champion or one 975 RP skin. That one champion provides an entirely new gameplay experience, voice lines, animations, and a new character model for the price of $10. The 975 RP skin usually contains a new visual look combined with new animations for the price of $10. They have a standard of high quality and usually refuse to sell any item on the store that falls below that standard. Their philosophy is simply sell cool stuff people want to buy and it works.

All the while the items in the Crown store with a price of $10 is not cool. For $9.99 CAD which translates to 750 Crowns I can get a goat or a pig as a non-combat pet that has a few animations and no interactive game-play experience like ''petting'' or ''playing'' (foreign words I know). Or if I really feel like splurging I can pay $18.99 for 1500 crowns to get a coral mud-crab that costs 1200 crowns. $18.99 is the main price point for any player to get their money's worth with new DLC packs that add new quests, dungeons, and a new area to explore, or any of the other crown store items under 1500 crowns.

In order for a player to experience a visually impressive and new gameplay experience in ESO they need to pay twice the amount of what league of legend players pay to improve their enjoyment for the game. So yeah, in order for ZOS to justify their inflated prices they really need to establish a standard of quality that rivals their competitors. They can do that by actually giving more with the item that they sell on the crown store.

For example if I buy a mount, it has to be a new skin with a few customization options to fit the player's style. If I buy a pet, it has to provide an interactive pet/owner bonding experience. If I buy a motif pack it needs to come with the 160 CP sets already made to compliment the motif and style materials. If I buy a furniture pack the furniture set needs to come with the furniture recipes. Just like OP, I just want my money's worth for when I decide to buy crown store items. Right now, I do not get my money's worth but I do enjoy the furnishing packs and I wish they would have more thematic packs in the future like a bakery pack or blacksmith pack or whatever.

lillybit wrote: »

ravenarc wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

The Ebon Spider is the same price and quality as the Chroma-Blue Spider released in August/September 2017.

https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/chroma-blue-dwarven-spider-mount
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/ebon-steel-dwarven-spider

The issue is that the discount is negligible; there's no real opinion change between a 3600 crown mount and a 4000 crown mount. If you buy it at 3600 you would likely buy it at 4000. If you weren't going to buy it at 4000, a 400 crown discount isn't going to change your mind.

You can't successfully offer a deal to an unconvinced buyer because it's not going to be perceived as a deal. That's the issue they need to work through.

Not overhauling the entire mount system where a 4,000 Spider mount becomes a 4,000 Spider skin on a 3,000 Spider mount you had to purchase to unlock the skinning system on that mount model. Skins aren't going to make the system any less expensive. Just more complicated.

But more customization.

See how successful outfitting was? Back then, everything was black & white where everyone is running the same looking set just to get BIS. This also makes micro-transaction more tolerable because we'll have more freedom instead of buying a forced bundle and throwing the rest to trash just because we only like one item but can't purchase it without going through the bundled paywall.

Taking the new dwarven spider mount as an example, what would happen now under your system? I'm guessing it would be released as a skin rather than a new mount. So if you hadn't already bought one of the other spider mounts you wouldn't be able to get it?

There's ways around it. They could sell the basic spider mount alongside it. But then you'd be paying double for that one new mount you wanted when you didn't want the original one enough to buy it in the first place. Maybe they could do a pack of both at a discount but it would still be considerably more than a single mount.

Another alternative is for it to be available as either a mount or a skin but that kind of defeats the purpose of skins and even that is problematic. Do they sell them for the same price? If so, what's the benefit of the skin? Or they could make the skin cheaper. So you can get exactly the same mount cheaper than me just because you've already bought one similar.

Another big problem with this is that they have just introduced a system that will effectively reskin mounts with the Indrik mount. They've set the benchmark for how anything like that in the future will work and that will be as a permanent change to an existing mount, removing the original. Not many people will be willing to lose a mount that they've paid for just for the sake of the illusion of customization.

And it would be an illusion - it doesn't really matter if you have two mounts or one mount and one skin, the end result is identical.

The new Dwarven mount is just an example because it's the newest, you'll find plenty if we dig deeper. Also take note that this is just a suggestion, ZOS can alter it as they see fit as long as they stick in the mount outfitting concept.

As for the pricing, it will be cheaper on the long run depending if you want to buy the whole set. The basic mount depending on type should be around 1800-2500 but let's appease the general public by making mounts purchasable by gold eh? Then skins around 750(obvious reskins) up to 9000(radiant apex). Additionally, there's also the new set of accessories to be sold that is either the same as the mount's theme released that day or mount motif as @Synthwavius suggested.

Overall, the cost of the new mount in theory when bundled would be; 5000 crowns. Again, this is just a suggestion, a theory to be succinct.

• The Dwarven Mount - 2500 for the sake of a new exotic mount type and animation
• Skin - 750 (obvious reskin) then additional 1250 for glow VFX & other minor VFXs = 2000
• Accessory - 500 (Upgraded appearance of the new mount is meh.)

It is more expensive than the original price assuming that it is 4000 but in your next buy, instead of throwing another 4000 crowns for a new skin you'll just spend 750-9000 crowns instead. In the end, we did not just get a new set of awesome features but a justifiable price too and not to mention, you'll be proud of your mount for the first time because it creates the bond of illusion.

So if ZOS wants us to dish 9000 crowns just for mounts that lacks identity and barely distinctive from each other, they need to exert effort in their reskins rather than baiting players via "limited time" and the new insult of a "discounted mount price" they've been pushing.

Everybody benefits eh?