Skyshards account bound

Valrien · November 2018

TheTombstone wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Noctus wrote: »

the only people who not want that skyshards are beeing accountwide are people that allready done this like 10 times and dont want other people to have it easier...

I have done it like fifteen times, and it was super easy for me... so I am not quite sure what you were thinking here...

Of course, I -do- pick up the skyshards en passant while doing the questing with my alts, so there is that, compared to doping all the familliar quests for the dozenth time, takeing three steps to the side to grab that skyshard too is nothing.

Account wide stuff is something I myself would bebefit from, a great deal.
I still will keep arguing against any more account wide stuff then we already have, because I believe it would be deterimental to the game to make things too easy - seeing ones effort gaining one some rewards is one of the reasons such games work for more then a playthrough after all!

sulima wrote: »

If others had an option to have it account bound to explore new content, all while the option to explore skyshards remained would that be ok???

Yeah, suuuuure.
How about the game gives everyone everything right at start, so there is nothing left to work for? I mean, they still could if they like, yes?
What will happen?
Considering historical precedent, the majority will stop working for anything, loose interest and go for a game where they -can- have their effort rewarded over those who do not spend any effort.
And ESO gets shut down.

I mean, the whole "gimme" argument here is started from exactly the wrong direction.

People keep arguing how getting the shyshards and accompaning skill points on their alts for no extra effort would benefit -them-!

How would it benfit ZOS?
It would not.
So its not gonna happen.

In exactly the same way account-wide riding is not gonna happen, and account wide level 50 is not gonna happen, and account wide quest completion is not gonna happen, and account wide crafting research is not gonna happen, and account wide alliance ranks are not gonna happen, and account wide achievements are not gonna happen...

But...
...there is something that might benefit ZOS in this regard... If people feel strongly enough about avoiding the so-called "skyshard grind" to -PAY- for it... just like some pay for riding lessons... well, that is something that ZOS might someday decide to do, put an "convenience item" for regional shyshard collection in the crown store.

IF they thought the people who loudly whine against having to actually make an effort to gain those skyshards would be willing to put their money where their mouth is, instead of just crying on the forums, that is.

How about it?
Who of the ones who whine loudly would be willing to -pay- for it, hmmm?
I am guessing... not many.
I am guessing... if they feel the effort to grab them in-game is too much already, they certainly would not want to spend actual money.
I am guessing... they just want free handouts.
...and that is why I for one will keep calling them the "gimme crowd" and have a very low opinion of their "give me stuff I am too lazy to spend minor effort on because otherwise I'll cry and whine!" mentality...

I for one, am not apart of the "gimmie" crowd. I just want the game to be less tedious. I don't want to play Old Content when you spend money on playing new content. People would pay for sky shards. But that would be P2W. And again, YOU WOULD NOT BE GIVEN THEM. YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET THEM ALL FIRST. That is not, "Gimmie this for free" That is, "I have done this once before, so don't make me do the same exact *** thing again and again"

It really would not be P2W as Skyshards confer no innate advantage. Only convenience

tmbrinks · November 2018

The person who has been badgering and belittling every single post he doesn't completely agree with calling out somebody else on their tone... that's rich.

Not P2W? 143 extra skill points (whenever you get them, where at level 3, or level 50, just so I don't get jumped on again because that was suggested by one person) isn't P2W?

People bring up the convenience of horse training and buying it from the crown store, to justify buying skyshards. The horse is convenience, you can hold more gear, travel faster and longer (alternatively you could store items in banks, or chests, or just take longer to get to where you're going) It's equivalent of buying a Roomba to do your vacuuming, it simply saves you time and effort . Skyshards give you more skill points, which allows your character to have more passives, more skills both of which means more damage - that is what P2W is, you have made your character MORE POWERFUL. It's like going to college, you pay for a degree, which earns you (potentially) more money, you're "stronger". (The real world is certainly P2W) These are not equal in any way, shape or form. I, in all honesty, do not get how people think that they are.

You have 3 people who are loudly for the skyshards being account bound. Sure, there have been others who've said one or two lines in support, but there are only 3 of you making a big deal. There are also lots of people who are against it, and the response from the 3 are the same, repeated statements, or just a flat out "You're Wrong!" I was sincerely hoping when I saw this post make the 2nd page it was going to die, because it's a dead-end argument. Every few months it comes up, and the same things are said. For one, it would unbalance the game even more than it already is. and two, ZoS is never gonna do it, it makes you play the game more, which, for those of us who understand what an MMO actually is, is perfectly fine, it's a couple of hours of character development. I think those who don't like it, are used to single player games. ESO is one of the least "grindy" MMOs, it is extremely "Casual" friendly, you really don't have to spend a lot of time to level up a character to be able to do 95% of the content in the game, 1-Tamriel made sure of that.

Merlin13KAGL · November 2018

Again, you're doing it wrong.

You can get 104 usable skillpoints without ever touching a single shard, never running a single Vet instance, and never setting foot in DLC anything.

You have to do other things to ready your character anyway. Do the things previously mentioned at the same time, and you're there.

There is zero need for insta-ready characters. It's been dumbed down enough already. Furthermore, the 104 mark is probably for full effectiveness. Losing a % here or there hardly prevents you from engaging in 90+% of available content.

Plenty have done it 15 or more times, myself included. If you're opting to make it harder on yourself by collecting hidden things 1/3rd at a time, instead of using the faster methods for full points, it's on you.

Edziu · November 2018

@tmbrinks

you say we are only 3 people who ladly are for accounwide skyshards but there are more people for it but not that "loudly" as we
same is with defending to not make even option for accountwide skyshards, I can see 304 of you really loudly defensing it

about buying shars via cronw stor I have seen it as last of suggestions only single suggestion for this which ofc is going to be p2w if in crown store and thats why we mainly suggest to make it normal unlockable and after you hit max lvl on your char.

why at max lvl if at all making it? thats because as someone who have played this game for longer or more efficient you will not see any difference in his experience of playing, of his skill level but in many could be signifciant boredom after gathering again shards as this gathering is giving to us no any new experience, its like running simulator for us especially as most have jsut created these alts so even mount not feed

and if you would to give these shards at max lvled char to someone who know this game this will just help him with his new char and make playing more enjoyable because he now can go for his content with frends without being forced to waste his next hours of playing solo with running simulator

and this game is casual friendly but more for easy content (its really to easy, not looking at newest trials and dlc dungs) but in mechanic...well I have seen more easier games in just mechanics what is going to be more for pleasure for playing than p2w

POps75p · November 2018

Tandor wrote: »

POps75p wrote: »

Cillion3117 wrote: »

That takes away the fun of discovery.

tell me what you discover on your 15th toon?

Plenty of stuff in my case (I have 29 characters). There is now so much content in the game that I haven't done a lot of the zones more than the odd time, and where one has been previously covered it will very likely have been done a year or two ago so it will be pretty fresh. Different characters do different things. This is really only a problem for those who want a quick way for alts to get to endgame, and so they level from 1-50 at a dolmen and then complain about having to get all the skyshards too, and frankly I don't have any sympathy with that approach - I'd far rather they could buy an expensive "complete build token" in the Crown Store rather than ruin the game for those who want to play the game fully with all their characters who they regard as "equal individuals" rather than "a main plus alts".

I like the token idea, but it should also come as a result of at least one of your toons doing every shard and quest in the game. my #1 toon as done every single one in every zone, plus ass of the daily's at least once. once you done them all than they should be complete (skyshards) complete for everyone along with related skill points

tmbrinks · November 2018

Edziu wrote: »

@tmbrinks

you say we are only 3 people who ladly are for accounwide skyshards but there are more people for it but not that "loudly" as we
same is with defending to not make even option for accountwide skyshards, I can see 304 of you really loudly defensing it

about buying shars via cronw stor I have seen it as last of suggestions only single suggestion for this which ofc is going to be p2w if in crown store and thats why we mainly suggest to make it normal unlockable and after you hit max lvl on your char.

why at max lvl if at all making it? thats because as someone who have played this game for longer or more efficient you will not see any difference in his experience of playing, of his skill level but in many could be signifciant boredom after gathering again shards as this gathering is giving to us no any new experience, its like running simulator for us especially as most have jsut created these alts so even mount not feed

and if you would to give these shards at max lvled char to someone who know this game this will just help him with his new char and make playing more enjoyable because he now can go for his content with frends without being forced to waste his next hours of playing solo with running simulator

and this game is casual friendly but more for easy content (its really to easy, not looking at newest trials and dlc dungs) but in mechanic...well I have seen more easier games in just mechanics what is going to be more for pleasure for playing than p2w

I will be completely honest. I have no clue what you are trying to say here.

You keep saying a "toggleable" option. There is nothing like that, in any game.

Exactly my point, there are "304" (your words) people defending AGAINST account bound skyshards.

The rest, I can't even decipher your argument. I'm not trying to be a jerk at all about that. I legitimately do not understand what you are trying to say.

For being casual friendly, that has only happened since 1-Tamriel, before that it was difficult, before battle leveling, and the account bound skyshards would only make it worse (easier)

idk · November 2018

Dreyloch wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Skyshards will never and of course should never be account bound, unlocked so new characters have all those SPs.

I realize it is easy to overlook but it is absurd to think a new character should start off loaded with skill points but when one looks at PvP it is clear it would be unbalanced and unfair in the below lvl 50 campaign.

So that is the reason they will never be unlocked for the account and no one has offered a logical reason that they should be.

So you asked me to read this and I say, really don't care. You can go to the MAIN campaign at level 10. Unless your someone that's absolutely new to the game, no one goes to under 50 anymore on alts. I know I sure don't. If you think that's going to put off new troops for your faction, then guess what? They probably don't have the constitution for it in the first place!

PvP takes a very hardy soul to keep getting up and coming back when your knocked down repeatedly. Skill points or not.

It really does not matter if you care about it or not. Even in the unlikely even you are correct that no one goes to the under 50 that does not matter either. However, it does seem a little naive to think no one goes to the level 50 campaign anymore unless they are new to the game.

What matters is Zos understands it must keep these things as balanced as possible and these are just some of the reasons Zos will not be making sky shards and all the other things requested in this thread account bound.

TheShadowScout · November 2018

Valrien wrote: »

First off, the ad hominem attacks weaken your argument, not strengthen it.

Funny you should say that...

Valrien wrote: »

Btw work on your tone. Your post conveys too much of an "I am so right lol" mentality for someone so wrong.

...seeing how unlike you I for one did not attack anyone in particular, just stated my personal feelings for those asking for unearned "free stuff".

And yeah, I am allowed to have my opinion. Just like other people are allowed to disagree with my opinion.

Valrien wrote: »

Second off, I want to address your opening statement. You say Skyshards are incredibly east to the point where you've already done it 15 times...but then you also say they require effort and that those efforts should be rewarded. So which is it, are they insignificantly easy or do they require effort? You're being contradictory

Not so.
Small effort is still effort, right?
For me the effort is small, since its easy to do when you do all the questing anyhow. Which I do. On each alt. Even tho it does get tedious.
For those who already consider playing the darn game by doing the questing too much of an effort... well, going through all the regions -just- for the skyshards is quite a bit worse on the effort/benefit scale then doing it en passant while questing, so...

But either way, it -should- require doing to be done.
And since this is a MMORPG, and the skyshard collection is part of the character progression, well... it should require doing on each character to be done on that character. Just like levels. Or guild progression. Or riding training. or crafting research. Or character achievements.

Valrien wrote: »

Third, improving the game benefits ZOS. Nothing more, nothing less. Regardless of whether this change would be free or paid for, it would benefit ZOS. Not everything has to have a price tag to be of benefit to a company.

That is a statement without any grounding. Two statements actually, one the implication that such a change would actually be an improvement (which many here disagree with), for another that spending resources on "free improvements" would somehow automatically benefit ZOS.

First, the question if this would be an improvement is what divides the people here, so while you may certainly believe so, others disagree. So please keep this as -your opinion- and refrain from acting like it was established fact.

Second, yes, improvements -could- benefit ZOS - IF they make people spend more money on playing the game.
Because that is what ZOS is after... not making a perfect game, but making the profits they need to keep their company up and running. And making a decent game is just the way they are going about earning those profits.
Thus they will make improvements that make -playing- the game more enjoyable... and they will make improvements that will make people spending money more likely... they will even make things that let people bypass parts of the game for spending money... but they would be somewhat unlikely to make "improvements" that allow people to bypass playing the game without spending money. It is not in their interest to do so after all.

Valrien wrote: »

Lastly, many people actually would be willing to pay for this if ZOS wasn't the company selling it. The Crown Store is overpriced and disingenuous. More likely than not, I would be paying 10 dollars per zone of Skyshards per character just like riding lessons (btw, riding lessons are about 10 bucks for 1/18 of your horse. Just let that sink in. You need just under 200 dollars to get a useable horse. If that doesn't scream mobile gatcha game I don't know what does). See my Crown Store thread for my opinion on the ZOS Crown Store. If the price was reasonable and it was truly unlocked for my account I would have no problems paying...

So, you are saying... what exactly?
That you want it all for cheap? Nice thought, but until the people at ZOS are willing to cut all their paychecks in half, from the lowest cleaning lady up to the CEO, that's a pipe dream. And since they all have their own bills to pay, I can't really see that happening...
The riding training is a good example of my point - THIS is how ZOS will be pricing "conveniece items"; if they ever choose to give an alternative for skyshards, THAT is what they will ask for it.
The choice is everyones - either they invest the effort and time, or they pay up to bypass it.
Me, I usually go with the effort.
Some may go with the "throw money at the issue" approach.
And some... well, it looks like some think if they complain long enough, they will get it cheap. I myself consider that less then likely, and so I say what I think about that.

TheTombstone wrote: »

I for one, am not apart of the "gimmie" crowd. I just want the game to be less tedious. I don't want to play Old Content when you spend money on playing new content. People would pay for sky shards. But that would be P2W.

Technically it would not.
PtW in its purest form refers to an advantage you pay for that you -cannot- get through playing...
Paying for a "shortcut"... is a bit of a grey area, but not exactly PtW.
Personally I consider it foolish to drop a load of money on something you can also get for much less with just investing time and a bit of effort, but... well, for those who have more money then patience, it may be a viable option to buy such shortcuts.

But my point is, this is ZOS, look at how the "shortcut" for riding training is priced. Would you buy skyshards... at -those- prices? If yes, great, tell them, I am sure the greedy shriveled little hearts of the suits in charge will beat faster and they will seriously considering giving you the chance. But that is -not- the vibe I am getting from all those "make them account wide" voices...

TheTombstone wrote: »

And again, YOU WOULD NOT BE GIVEN THEM. YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET THEM ALL FIRST. That is not, "Gimmie this for free" That is, "I have done this once before, so don't make me do the same exact *** thing again and again"

You have levelled a character to level 50 before. But when you make an alt, you have to do it -again-, right?
You have raised your guilds to their maximum before. But when you make an alt, you have to do it -again-, right?
You have trained your riding to 60/60/60 before. But when you make an alt, you have to do it -again-, right?
You have completed the mainstory and all the questings before. But when you make an alt, you have to do it -again-, right?
You have researched crafting traits before. But when you make an alt, you have to do it -again-, right?
You have unlocked wayshrines and discovered locations before. But when you make an alt, you have to do it -again-, right?
You have cleared dolmens before. But when you make an alt, you have to do it -again-, right?
You have increased your backpack capacity before. But when you make an alt, you have to do it -again-, right?
You have gotten all those titles before. But when you make an alt, you have to do it -again-, right?
This is a MMORPG.
That's how it is in am MMORPG.
And when it comes to those, ESO -already- has more account wide stuff with bank, mail, guilds and the whole frigging champion system then most. Certainly more then any other I ever played, though admittedly, I have not played all that many.
Point is, making people do the same things all over again whenever they make a new alt is how things -usually- go in an MMOPRG. I am sorry if that was unclear to you.

POps75p wrote: »

I like the token idea, but it should also come as a result of at least one of your toons doing every shard and quest in the game. my #1 toon as done every single one in every zone, plus ass of the daily's at least once. once you done them all than they should be complete (skyshards) complete for everyone along with related skill points

I would have no issues with a "build token" sold in the crown store. Drop a load of crowns, get a token that pops your newly made character right at the completion of cadwells, with all stuff in the "basic game" counted as done.
Just like I would have no issues with "regional skyshard collections" sold in the crown store.
I myself would not pay for that, but I would not think less of any who do have more money then patience for such things.

The only issues I have with those asking for the whole thing "account wide" so they can make as many alts as they like without cost or effort...

Edziu · November 2018

tmbrinks wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

@tmbrinks

you say we are only 3 people who ladly are for accounwide skyshards but there are more people for it but not that "loudly" as we
same is with defending to not make even option for accountwide skyshards, I can see 304 of you really loudly defensing it

about buying shars via cronw stor I have seen it as last of suggestions only single suggestion for this which ofc is going to be p2w if in crown store and thats why we mainly suggest to make it normal unlockable and after you hit max lvl on your char.

why at max lvl if at all making it? thats because as someone who have played this game for longer or more efficient you will not see any difference in his experience of playing, of his skill level but in many could be signifciant boredom after gathering again shards as this gathering is giving to us no any new experience, its like running simulator for us especially as most have jsut created these alts so even mount not feed

and if you would to give these shards at max lvled char to someone who know this game this will just help him with his new char and make playing more enjoyable because he now can go for his content with frends without being forced to waste his next hours of playing solo with running simulator

and this game is casual friendly but more for easy content (its really to easy, not looking at newest trials and dlc dungs) but in mechanic...well I have seen more easier games in just mechanics what is going to be more for pleasure for playing than p2w

I will be completely honest. I have no clue what you are trying to say here.

You keep saying a "toggleable" option. There is nothing like that, in any game.

Exactly my point, there are "304" (your words) people defending AGAINST account bound skyshards.

The rest, I can't even decipher your argument. I'm not trying to be a jerk at all about that. I legitimately do not understand what you are trying to say.

For being casual friendly, that has only happened since 1-Tamriel, before that it was difficult, before battle leveling, and the account bound skyshards would only make it worse (easier)

oh yeah 304 because its not possible to make an typo on keyboard with button just next to another: "0" and "-" and so you take everything literally then yes?

I wasnt 1st for suggest with toggable but I keep this and wasnt it in other games becasue was no needed but here as we have that many real role players its would be the only option to make playing mor enjoyable for many whiel still keeping this feature for these real role players

and ehh, maybe you dont understand me becaue
1) Im not hte best in english and
2) I trying to explain some things from different perspective which as I see you have not experienced because you like other things and its hard to me to explain this the best it could be in leanguage in which Im not the best and I need to use translator for some things which are not always the best after translated but then I dont know what else to write
(sorry for this but I bet not only Im worse in english but I trying to write, explain my opinions while rest who dont know english the best are only reading because they dont want to try or sacriface their time trying to write which wont be much clear)

Leocaran · November 2018

tmbrinks wrote: »

You have 3 people who are loudly for the skyshards being account bound. Sure, there have been others who've said one or two lines in support, but there are only 3 of you making a big deal. There are also lots of people who are against it, and the response from the 3 are the same, repeated statements, or just a flat out "You're Wrong!" I was sincerely hoping when I saw this post make the 2nd page it was going to die, because it's a dead-end argument. Every few months it comes up, and the same things are said.

This is just so easily reflected.

It's only you with a couple of others which are making an unreasonably big deal about a simple QoL feature. You are just making the same repeated nonsensical statements (about 'balance', for example) or a flat out "You're Wrong!". I was sincerely hoping that at least this sensible proposition wouldn't be shot down by strange people which for some reason want others to suffer, but sadly I was wrong.

And yes, 'balance' argument is completely nonsensical because skillpoints are literally the same for everyone, they can't be a balance issue. Thinking like that, levels are a balance issue! Nerf levels!

tmbrinks · November 2018

Edziu wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

@tmbrinks

you say we are only 3 people who ladly are for accounwide skyshards but there are more people for it but not that "loudly" as we
same is with defending to not make even option for accountwide skyshards, I can see 304 of you really loudly defensing it

about buying shars via cronw stor I have seen it as last of suggestions only single suggestion for this which ofc is going to be p2w if in crown store and thats why we mainly suggest to make it normal unlockable and after you hit max lvl on your char.

why at max lvl if at all making it? thats because as someone who have played this game for longer or more efficient you will not see any difference in his experience of playing, of his skill level but in many could be signifciant boredom after gathering again shards as this gathering is giving to us no any new experience, its like running simulator for us especially as most have jsut created these alts so even mount not feed

and if you would to give these shards at max lvled char to someone who know this game this will just help him with his new char and make playing more enjoyable because he now can go for his content with frends without being forced to waste his next hours of playing solo with running simulator

and this game is casual friendly but more for easy content (its really to easy, not looking at newest trials and dlc dungs) but in mechanic...well I have seen more easier games in just mechanics what is going to be more for pleasure for playing than p2w

I will be completely honest. I have no clue what you are trying to say here.

You keep saying a "toggleable" option. There is nothing like that, in any game.

Exactly my point, there are "304" (your words) people defending AGAINST account bound skyshards.

The rest, I can't even decipher your argument. I'm not trying to be a jerk at all about that. I legitimately do not understand what you are trying to say.

For being casual friendly, that has only happened since 1-Tamriel, before that it was difficult, before battle leveling, and the account bound skyshards would only make it worse (easier)

oh yeah 304 because its not possible to make an typo on keyboard with button just next to another: "0" and "-" and so you take everything literally then yes?

I wasnt 1st for suggest with toggable but I keep this and wasnt it in other games becasue was no needed but here as we have that many real role players its would be the only option to make playing mor enjoyable for many whiel still keeping this feature for these real role players

and ehh, maybe you dont understand me becaue
1) Im not hte best in english and
2) I trying to explain some things from different perspective which as I see you have not experienced because you like other things and its hard to me to explain this the best it could be in leanguage in which Im not the best and I need to use translator for some things which are not always the best after translated but then I dont know what else to write
(sorry for this but I bet not only Im worse in english but I trying to write, explain my opinions while rest who dont know english the best are only reading because they dont want to try or sacriface their time trying to write which wont be much clear)

That's why I put the "304" in quotes, I know it's not that many.

This wasn't a language barrier. I work with people who talk in a variety accents/broken English, I can easily read your words. I legitimately cannot follow your line of thought, the same as other posters in this thread. (This was not honestly any sort of personal attack at all, I'm sorry you felt it was)

idk · November 2018

tmbrinks wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

@tmbrinks

you say we are only 3 people who ladly are for accounwide skyshards but there are more people for it but not that "loudly" as we
same is with defending to not make even option for accountwide skyshards, I can see 304 of you really loudly defensing it

about buying shars via cronw stor I have seen it as last of suggestions only single suggestion for this which ofc is going to be p2w if in crown store and thats why we mainly suggest to make it normal unlockable and after you hit max lvl on your char.

why at max lvl if at all making it? thats because as someone who have played this game for longer or more efficient you will not see any difference in his experience of playing, of his skill level but in many could be signifciant boredom after gathering again shards as this gathering is giving to us no any new experience, its like running simulator for us especially as most have jsut created these alts so even mount not feed

and if you would to give these shards at max lvled char to someone who know this game this will just help him with his new char and make playing more enjoyable because he now can go for his content with frends without being forced to waste his next hours of playing solo with running simulator

and this game is casual friendly but more for easy content (its really to easy, not looking at newest trials and dlc dungs) but in mechanic...well I have seen more easier games in just mechanics what is going to be more for pleasure for playing than p2w

I will be completely honest. I have no clue what you are trying to say here.

You keep saying a "toggleable" option. There is nothing like that, in any game.

Exactly my point, there are "304" (your words) people defending AGAINST account bound skyshards.

The rest, I can't even decipher your argument. I'm not trying to be a jerk at all about that. I legitimately do not understand what you are trying to say.

For being casual friendly, that has only happened since 1-Tamriel, before that it was difficult, before battle leveling, and the account bound skyshards would only make it worse (easier)

oh yeah 304 because its not possible to make an typo on keyboard with button just next to another: "0" and "-" and so you take everything literally then yes?

I wasnt 1st for suggest with toggable but I keep this and wasnt it in other games becasue was no needed but here as we have that many real role players its would be the only option to make playing mor enjoyable for many whiel still keeping this feature for these real role players

and ehh, maybe you dont understand me becaue
1) Im not hte best in english and
2) I trying to explain some things from different perspective which as I see you have not experienced because you like other things and its hard to me to explain this the best it could be in leanguage in which Im not the best and I need to use translator for some things which are not always the best after translated but then I dont know what else to write
(sorry for this but I bet not only Im worse in english but I trying to write, explain my opinions while rest who dont know english the best are only reading because they dont want to try or sacriface their time trying to write which wont be much clear)

That's why I put the "304" in quotes, I know it's not that many.

This wasn't a language barrier. I work with people who talk in a variety accents/broken English, I can easily read your words. I legitimately cannot follow your line of thought, the same as other posters in this thread. (This was not honestly any sort of personal attack at all, I'm sorry you felt it was)

You are correct. It really is not a popular issue by any measure.

tmbrinks · November 2018

Leocaran wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

You have 3 people who are loudly for the skyshards being account bound. Sure, there have been others who've said one or two lines in support, but there are only 3 of you making a big deal. There are also lots of people who are against it, and the response from the 3 are the same, repeated statements, or just a flat out "You're Wrong!" I was sincerely hoping when I saw this post make the 2nd page it was going to die, because it's a dead-end argument. Every few months it comes up, and the same things are said.

This is just so easily reflected. It's only you with a couple of others which are making an unreasonably big deal about a simple QoL feature. You are just making the same repeated nonsensical statements (about 'balance', for example) or a flat out "You're Wrong!". I was sincerely hoping that at least this sensible proposition wouldn't be shot down by strange people which for some reason want others to suffer, but sadly I was wrong.

And yes, 'balance' argument is completely nonsensical because skillpoints are literally the same for everyone, they can't be a balance issue. Thinking like that, levels are a balance issue! Nerf levels!

please quote me where I have said the phrase "You're wrong" to somebody else in this thread. I have, generally, provided thought out, comprehensive statements, from various points of view, many of which may have the same gist, but providing counterpoints and opinions.

Valrien · November 2018

I like how people think that ZOS actually needs the Crown Store money at the current price, without realizing that the items being cheaper would actually invite more customers to buy them since the current items are prohibitively expensive

If ZOS needs your money so bad, why don't you go on and buy everything in the Crown Store?~

TheShadowScout · November 2018

Valrien wrote: »

I like how people think that ZOS actually needs the Crown Store money at the current price, without realizing that the items being cheaper would actually invite more customers to buy them since the current items are prohibitively expensive...

As has been said elsewhere:

danno8 wrote: »

Its pretty simple, really.

...and that's all there is to it.

TheTombstone · November 2018

Let's try and stay on topic please.

Merlin13KAGL · November 2018

Twelve pages in, I'm pretty sure you already have your answer.

You can skip repeats on the tutorial.
You can skip the Alliance tutorial.
You can skip crafting certification.

Everything else is per character, and as has been pointed out many times, is not that big of a deal.

Dead horse is still dead.

Valrien · November 2018

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

I like how people think that ZOS actually needs the Crown Store money at the current price, without realizing that the items being cheaper would actually invite more customers to buy them since the current items are prohibitively expensive...

As has been said elsewhere:

danno8 wrote: »

Its pretty simple, really.

...and that's all there is to it.

That's great, but it's only a theoretical model. I.e., in a vacuum...ignoring the fact that if something is still prohibitively expensive, people will not want to buy it.

Making money is both economics and psychology.

Edziu · November 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Twelve pages in, I'm pretty sure you already have your answer.
You can skip repeats on the tutorial.

You can skip the Alliance tutorial.

You can skip crafting certification.

Everything else is per character, and as has been pointed out many times, is not that big of a deal.

Dead horse is still dead.

and does it mbrings something to campre to shards? not to much

can skip tutoraial - which lenght is like jsut single quest from main story, maybe always that is something but not that much

alliance tutorial, I even dont remember this when I was going 1st time on cyro around 4 years ago so wont tell to much but wha tI know this also wast sopmething special long

and crafting cerification...oh please, just run here and here, craft this, run here and done, leght of daily crafts

this sint that much time saved per char for jhust create this but always is everyone will say like and me

and now we have skyshards running simulator ( wont mention here quests as these also was eplained before and this isnt in topic btw) - this is real booring started for every of our alt (no Im not mentioning people who enjoy this) and this is real struggle for everyone who just want to play they content instead of doing this running simulator which isnt that fast as everythig which you mentioned - so just 3 things;

and does we have for now more skippable things for new characters?
I dont see but meyb eI just dont remember, if somoene could remind me more skippable things for every new character

tl;dr: your examples didnt bring anything to this thread to defense skyshards locked per character

Taleof2Cities · November 2018

There are 400+ skill points in the game.

Skyshards only account for around 115 of those skill points.

So, if you completely ignore skyshards, there are still plenty of skill points out there.

This doesn’t need changed.

tmbrinks · November 2018

Edziu wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Twelve pages in, I'm pretty sure you already have your answer.
You can skip repeats on the tutorial.

You can skip the Alliance tutorial.

You can skip crafting certification.

Everything else is per character, and as has been pointed out many times, is not that big of a deal.

Dead horse is still dead.

and does it mbrings something to campre to shards? not to much

can skip tutoraial - which lenght is like jsut single quest from main story, maybe always that is something but not that much

alliance tutorial, I even dont remember this when I was going 1st time on cyro around 4 years ago so wont tell to much but wha tI know this also wast sopmething special long

and crafting cerification...oh please, just run here and here, craft this, run here and done, leght of daily crafts

this sint that much time saved per char for jhust create this but always is everyone will say like and me

and now we have skyshards running simulator ( wont mention here quests as these also was eplained before and this isnt in topic btw) - this is real booring started for every of our alt (no Im not mentioning people who enjoy this) and this is real struggle for everyone who just want to play they content instead of doing this running simulator which isnt that fast as everythig which you mentioned - so just 3 things;

and does we have for now more skippable things for new characters?
I dont see but meyb eI just dont remember, if somoene could remind me more skippable things for every new character

tl;dr: your examples didnt bring anything to this thread to defense skyshards locked per character

Questing does have a spot in this discussion, as it was brought up as an alternative to skyshard hunting, if you don't like doing that. As posited by many people in this thread. Skyshards represent less than 1/3rd of the available skill points. You can do ANYTHING (multiple anythings in fact) in the game with only 2/3rds of the skill points. Thus, they are optional for character development, meaning they do not need to be account bound.

Edziu · November 2018

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

There are 400+ skill points in the game.

Skyshards only account for around 115 of those skill points.

So, if you completely ignore skyshards, there are still plenty of skill points out there.

This doesn’t need changed.

so are you trying convince us to leave skyshards but instead of this we should go ask for other ways of geting skillponts to be account share? xD like from quest for example with what I could also agree to make them accountwide instead of shards xD

Edziu · November 2018

tmbrinks wrote: »

Statistically, from the world of business. A person with a negative complaint is about 40 times more likely to say something than a person who has a positive comment. Thus, given that this thread seems pretty evenly split between the negatives (make them account bound, since that's the group unhappy with the current structure) and the positives (those that suggest keeping it the same), statistics would suggest that the real ratio is about 40:1 For every 40 people happy with how it is (and are willing to defend it) there is 1 person who is unhappy (and is willing to post about it)

We all know that internet reviews and postings are a sea of negativity, and the real world perception is nowhere near the same as what we

Edziu wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Twelve pages in, I'm pretty sure you already have your answer.
You can skip repeats on the tutorial.

You can skip the Alliance tutorial.

You can skip crafting certification.

Everything else is per character, and as has been pointed out many times, is not that big of a deal.

Dead horse is still dead.

and does it mbrings something to campre to shards? not to much

can skip tutoraial - which lenght is like jsut single quest from main story, maybe always that is something but not that much

alliance tutorial, I even dont remember this when I was going 1st time on cyro around 4 years ago so wont tell to much but wha tI know this also wast sopmething special long

and crafting cerification...oh please, just run here and here, craft this, run here and done, leght of daily crafts

this sint that much time saved per char for jhust create this but always is everyone will say like and me

and now we have skyshards running simulator ( wont mention here quests as these also was eplained before and this isnt in topic btw) - this is real booring started for every of our alt (no Im not mentioning people who enjoy this) and this is real struggle for everyone who just want to play they content instead of doing this running simulator which isnt that fast as everythig which you mentioned - so just 3 things;

and does we have for now more skippable things for new characters?
I dont see but meyb eI just dont remember, if somoene could remind me more skippable things for every new character

tl;dr: your examples didnt bring anything to this thread to defense skyshards locked per character

Questing does have a spot in this discussion, as it was brought up as an alternative to skyshard hunting, if you don't like doing that. As posited by many people in this thread. Skyshards represent less than 1/3rd of the available skill points. You can do ANYTHING (multiple anythings in fact) in the game with only 2/3rds of the skill points. Thus, they are optional for character development, meaning they do not need to be account bound.

well yes, everybody who have p[roblem with recollecting shard have bigger problem with doing again same quests

and this is probably this thread started about make skyshards account wide - as most people prefer to go skyshards and even dont thing about quests so only thing about people think while leveling new char that are skyshards for skippoints because other ways like dung people dont care as this isnt problem
thus people who dont like shards started thread to make shards account wide while even dont mind for quests as it is forgotten to us

so maybe thats another point? if we would more to choosa shards then maybe we should try to ask for skillpoints from base game quests to have option to be account shared

tmbrinks · November 2018

Edziu wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Statistically, from the world of business. A person with a negative complaint is about 40 times more likely to say something than a person who has a positive comment. Thus, given that this thread seems pretty evenly split between the negatives (make them account bound, since that's the group unhappy with the current structure) and the positives (those that suggest keeping it the same), statistics would suggest that the real ratio is about 40:1 For every 40 people happy with how it is (and are willing to defend it) there is 1 person who is unhappy (and is willing to post about it)

We all know that internet reviews and postings are a sea of negativity, and the real world perception is nowhere near the same as what we

Edziu wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Twelve pages in, I'm pretty sure you already have your answer.
You can skip repeats on the tutorial.

You can skip the Alliance tutorial.

You can skip crafting certification.

Everything else is per character, and as has been pointed out many times, is not that big of a deal.

Dead horse is still dead.

and does it mbrings something to campre to shards? not to much

can skip tutoraial - which lenght is like jsut single quest from main story, maybe always that is something but not that much

alliance tutorial, I even dont remember this when I was going 1st time on cyro around 4 years ago so wont tell to much but wha tI know this also wast sopmething special long

and crafting cerification...oh please, just run here and here, craft this, run here and done, leght of daily crafts

this sint that much time saved per char for jhust create this but always is everyone will say like and me

and now we have skyshards running simulator ( wont mention here quests as these also was eplained before and this isnt in topic btw) - this is real booring started for every of our alt (no Im not mentioning people who enjoy this) and this is real struggle for everyone who just want to play they content instead of doing this running simulator which isnt that fast as everythig which you mentioned - so just 3 things;

and does we have for now more skippable things for new characters?
I dont see but meyb eI just dont remember, if somoene could remind me more skippable things for every new character

tl;dr: your examples didnt bring anything to this thread to defense skyshards locked per character

Questing does have a spot in this discussion, as it was brought up as an alternative to skyshard hunting, if you don't like doing that. As posited by many people in this thread. Skyshards represent less than 1/3rd of the available skill points. You can do ANYTHING (multiple anythings in fact) in the game with only 2/3rds of the skill points. Thus, they are optional for character development, meaning they do not need to be account bound.

well yes, everybody who have p[roblem with recollecting shard have bigger problem with doing again same quests

and this is probably this thread started about make skyshards account wide - as most people prefer to go skyshards and even dont thing about quests so only thing about people think while leveling new char that are skyshards for skippoints because other ways like dung people dont care as this isnt problem
thus people who dont like shards started thread to make shards account wide while even dont mind for quests as it is forgotten to us

so maybe thats another point? if we would more to choosa shards then maybe we should try to ask for skillpoints from base game quests to have option to be account shared

at that point, if pretty much everything that is involved in character development, is a "chore" and you don't enjoy doing, then why play the game? (I understand that you have left the game, and only continue to peruse the forums, which is fine) For those people who absolutely do not want to collect skyshards, do not want to quest, do not want to do dungeons... that's like 95% of the game, I'd suggest finding something else to play, if the base gameplay is not enjoyable.

Tandor · November 2018

tmbrinks wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Twelve pages in, I'm pretty sure you already have your answer.
You can skip repeats on the tutorial.

You can skip the Alliance tutorial.

You can skip crafting certification.

Everything else is per character, and as has been pointed out many times, is not that big of a deal.

Dead horse is still dead.

and does it mbrings something to campre to shards? not to much

can skip tutoraial - which lenght is like jsut single quest from main story, maybe always that is something but not that much

alliance tutorial, I even dont remember this when I was going 1st time on cyro around 4 years ago so wont tell to much but wha tI know this also wast sopmething special long

and crafting cerification...oh please, just run here and here, craft this, run here and done, leght of daily crafts

this sint that much time saved per char for jhust create this but always is everyone will say like and me

and now we have skyshards running simulator ( wont mention here quests as these also was eplained before and this isnt in topic btw) - this is real booring started for every of our alt (no Im not mentioning people who enjoy this) and this is real struggle for everyone who just want to play they content instead of doing this running simulator which isnt that fast as everythig which you mentioned - so just 3 things;

and does we have for now more skippable things for new characters?
I dont see but meyb eI just dont remember, if somoene could remind me more skippable things for every new character

tl;dr: your examples didnt bring anything to this thread to defense skyshards locked per character

Questing does have a spot in this discussion, as it was brought up as an alternative to skyshard hunting, if you don't like doing that. As posited by many people in this thread. Skyshards represent less than 1/3rd of the available skill points. You can do ANYTHING (multiple anythings in fact) in the game with only 2/3rds of the skill points. Thus, they are optional for character development, meaning they do not need to be account bound.

Not only that, but the point people are missing is that not all the skyshards are hidden away, whatever other content you may opt to do you can't help but pick up some of the skyshards along the way, for example outside the entrance to Daggerfall, on the first floor of the bank in Vulkhel Guard etc, they're seen from afar. Even if you set out to miss all the skyshards as per your comment, you'll still end up picking some of them up.

Edziu · November 2018

tmbrinks wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Statistically, from the world of business. A person with a negative complaint is about 40 times more likely to say something than a person who has a positive comment. Thus, given that this thread seems pretty evenly split between the negatives (make them account bound, since that's the group unhappy with the current structure) and the positives (those that suggest keeping it the same), statistics would suggest that the real ratio is about 40:1 For every 40 people happy with how it is (and are willing to defend it) there is 1 person who is unhappy (and is willing to post about it)

We all know that internet reviews and postings are a sea of negativity, and the real world perception is nowhere near the same as what we

Edziu wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Twelve pages in, I'm pretty sure you already have your answer.
You can skip repeats on the tutorial.

You can skip the Alliance tutorial.

You can skip crafting certification.

Everything else is per character, and as has been pointed out many times, is not that big of a deal.

Dead horse is still dead.

and does it mbrings something to campre to shards? not to much

can skip tutoraial - which lenght is like jsut single quest from main story, maybe always that is something but not that much

alliance tutorial, I even dont remember this when I was going 1st time on cyro around 4 years ago so wont tell to much but wha tI know this also wast sopmething special long

and crafting cerification...oh please, just run here and here, craft this, run here and done, leght of daily crafts

this sint that much time saved per char for jhust create this but always is everyone will say like and me

and now we have skyshards running simulator ( wont mention here quests as these also was eplained before and this isnt in topic btw) - this is real booring started for every of our alt (no Im not mentioning people who enjoy this) and this is real struggle for everyone who just want to play they content instead of doing this running simulator which isnt that fast as everythig which you mentioned - so just 3 things;

and does we have for now more skippable things for new characters?
I dont see but meyb eI just dont remember, if somoene could remind me more skippable things for every new character

tl;dr: your examples didnt bring anything to this thread to defense skyshards locked per character

Questing does have a spot in this discussion, as it was brought up as an alternative to skyshard hunting, if you don't like doing that. As posited by many people in this thread. Skyshards represent less than 1/3rd of the available skill points. You can do ANYTHING (multiple anythings in fact) in the game with only 2/3rds of the skill points. Thus, they are optional for character development, meaning they do not need to be account bound.

well yes, everybody who have p[roblem with recollecting shard have bigger problem with doing again same quests

and this is probably this thread started about make skyshards account wide - as most people prefer to go skyshards and even dont thing about quests so only thing about people think while leveling new char that are skyshards for skippoints because other ways like dung people dont care as this isnt problem
thus people who dont like shards started thread to make shards account wide while even dont mind for quests as it is forgotten to us

so maybe thats another point? if we would more to choosa shards then maybe we should try to ask for skillpoints from base game quests to have option to be account shared

at that point, if pretty much everything that is involved in character development, is a "chore" and you don't enjoy doing, then why play the game? (I understand that you have left the game, and only continue to peruse the forums, which is fine) For those people who absolutely do not want to collect skyshards, do not want to quest, do not want to do dungeons... that's like 95% of the game, I'd suggest finding something else to play, if the base gameplay is not enjoyable.

and thing in it for me fun is it almost everything if not jsut everything for gtoup playing so dungs, trials etc and pvp (if balance isnt ***) and tbh only things which I dont enjoy to do here that are quest which I have done before - so repeating them on different chars and same is with skyshards

if I wanted to go for some exploration then I will go to explore it and skyshards would be just addition for this but while Im on stage "leveling' this char then Im not looking for exploration as I want to have complete this char as fast as can to equipt ready gear and then I think about something like exploration while I want to chill or dont have friends to play or jsut get bored this mine content

heaven13 · November 2018

Edziu wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Statistically, from the world of business. A person with a negative complaint is about 40 times more likely to say something than a person who has a positive comment. Thus, given that this thread seems pretty evenly split between the negatives (make them account bound, since that's the group unhappy with the current structure) and the positives (those that suggest keeping it the same), statistics would suggest that the real ratio is about 40:1 For every 40 people happy with how it is (and are willing to defend it) there is 1 person who is unhappy (and is willing to post about it)

We all know that internet reviews and postings are a sea of negativity, and the real world perception is nowhere near the same as what we

Edziu wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Twelve pages in, I'm pretty sure you already have your answer.
You can skip repeats on the tutorial.

You can skip the Alliance tutorial.

You can skip crafting certification.

Everything else is per character, and as has been pointed out many times, is not that big of a deal.

Dead horse is still dead.

and does it mbrings something to campre to shards? not to much

can skip tutoraial - which lenght is like jsut single quest from main story, maybe always that is something but not that much

alliance tutorial, I even dont remember this when I was going 1st time on cyro around 4 years ago so wont tell to much but wha tI know this also wast sopmething special long

and crafting cerification...oh please, just run here and here, craft this, run here and done, leght of daily crafts

this sint that much time saved per char for jhust create this but always is everyone will say like and me

and now we have skyshards running simulator ( wont mention here quests as these also was eplained before and this isnt in topic btw) - this is real booring started for every of our alt (no Im not mentioning people who enjoy this) and this is real struggle for everyone who just want to play they content instead of doing this running simulator which isnt that fast as everythig which you mentioned - so just 3 things;

and does we have for now more skippable things for new characters?
I dont see but meyb eI just dont remember, if somoene could remind me more skippable things for every new character

tl;dr: your examples didnt bring anything to this thread to defense skyshards locked per character

Questing does have a spot in this discussion, as it was brought up as an alternative to skyshard hunting, if you don't like doing that. As posited by many people in this thread. Skyshards represent less than 1/3rd of the available skill points. You can do ANYTHING (multiple anythings in fact) in the game with only 2/3rds of the skill points. Thus, they are optional for character development, meaning they do not need to be account bound.

well yes, everybody who have p[roblem with recollecting shard have bigger problem with doing again same quests

and this is probably this thread started about make skyshards account wide - as most people prefer to go skyshards and even dont thing about quests so only thing about people think while leveling new char that are skyshards for skippoints because other ways like dung people dont care as this isnt problem
thus people who dont like shards started thread to make shards account wide while even dont mind for quests as it is forgotten to us

so maybe thats another point? if we would more to choosa shards then maybe we should try to ask for skillpoints from base game quests to have option to be account shared

at that point, if pretty much everything that is involved in character development, is a "chore" and you don't enjoy doing, then why play the game? (I understand that you have left the game, and only continue to peruse the forums, which is fine) For those people who absolutely do not want to collect skyshards, do not want to quest, do not want to do dungeons... that's like 95% of the game, I'd suggest finding something else to play, if the base gameplay is not enjoyable.

and thing in it for me fun is it almost everything if not jsut everything for gtoup playing so dungs, trials etc and pvp (if balance isnt ***) and tbh only things which I dont enjoy to do here that are quest which I have done before - so repeating them on different chars and same is with skyshards

if I wanted to go for some exploration then I will go to explore it and skyshards would be just addition for this but while Im on stage "leveling' this char then Im not looking for exploration as I want to have complete this char as fast as can to equipt ready gear and then I think about something like exploration while I want to chill or dont have friends to play or jsut get bored this mine content

If you do dungeons, there are plenty of skill points there. If you're going to be doing them anyway, why not do the quest the first time and get the skill point? You don't have to listen to NPCs talk (for most of them) and that's 24 points, not counting DLC content! Plus another 16 for the public dungeons, again not including DLC zones.

If you like PVP, that's 50 points. Sure, it's an absolute grind to get all 50, but that's what you like doing, right? Start in low level BGs or under 50 if you're worried you don't have enough skill points right away. It doesn't take many BGs to earn the first 7 or so Alliance ranks.

If you're already leveling to 50 so you can equip ready gear, that's another 64 points.

That's absolutely over 100 points right there and you didn't have to go out of your way to do a SINGLE quest or grab a SINGLE skyshard.

Edziu · November 2018

heaven13 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Statistically, from the world of business. A person with a negative complaint is about 40 times more likely to say something than a person who has a positive comment. Thus, given that this thread seems pretty evenly split between the negatives (make them account bound, since that's the group unhappy with the current structure) and the positives (those that suggest keeping it the same), statistics would suggest that the real ratio is about 40:1 For every 40 people happy with how it is (and are willing to defend it) there is 1 person who is unhappy (and is willing to post about it)

We all know that internet reviews and postings are a sea of negativity, and the real world perception is nowhere near the same as what we

Edziu wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Twelve pages in, I'm pretty sure you already have your answer.
You can skip repeats on the tutorial.

You can skip the Alliance tutorial.

You can skip crafting certification.

Everything else is per character, and as has been pointed out many times, is not that big of a deal.

Dead horse is still dead.

and does it mbrings something to campre to shards? not to much

can skip tutoraial - which lenght is like jsut single quest from main story, maybe always that is something but not that much

alliance tutorial, I even dont remember this when I was going 1st time on cyro around 4 years ago so wont tell to much but wha tI know this also wast sopmething special long

and crafting cerification...oh please, just run here and here, craft this, run here and done, leght of daily crafts

this sint that much time saved per char for jhust create this but always is everyone will say like and me

and now we have skyshards running simulator ( wont mention here quests as these also was eplained before and this isnt in topic btw) - this is real booring started for every of our alt (no Im not mentioning people who enjoy this) and this is real struggle for everyone who just want to play they content instead of doing this running simulator which isnt that fast as everythig which you mentioned - so just 3 things;

and does we have for now more skippable things for new characters?
I dont see but meyb eI just dont remember, if somoene could remind me more skippable things for every new character

tl;dr: your examples didnt bring anything to this thread to defense skyshards locked per character

Questing does have a spot in this discussion, as it was brought up as an alternative to skyshard hunting, if you don't like doing that. As posited by many people in this thread. Skyshards represent less than 1/3rd of the available skill points. You can do ANYTHING (multiple anythings in fact) in the game with only 2/3rds of the skill points. Thus, they are optional for character development, meaning they do not need to be account bound.

well yes, everybody who have p[roblem with recollecting shard have bigger problem with doing again same quests

and this is probably this thread started about make skyshards account wide - as most people prefer to go skyshards and even dont thing about quests so only thing about people think while leveling new char that are skyshards for skippoints because other ways like dung people dont care as this isnt problem
thus people who dont like shards started thread to make shards account wide while even dont mind for quests as it is forgotten to us

so maybe thats another point? if we would more to choosa shards then maybe we should try to ask for skillpoints from base game quests to have option to be account shared

at that point, if pretty much everything that is involved in character development, is a "chore" and you don't enjoy doing, then why play the game? (I understand that you have left the game, and only continue to peruse the forums, which is fine) For those people who absolutely do not want to collect skyshards, do not want to quest, do not want to do dungeons... that's like 95% of the game, I'd suggest finding something else to play, if the base gameplay is not enjoyable.

and thing in it for me fun is it almost everything if not jsut everything for gtoup playing so dungs, trials etc and pvp (if balance isnt ***) and tbh only things which I dont enjoy to do here that are quest which I have done before - so repeating them on different chars and same is with skyshards

if I wanted to go for some exploration then I will go to explore it and skyshards would be just addition for this but while Im on stage "leveling' this char then Im not looking for exploration as I want to have complete this char as fast as can to equipt ready gear and then I think about something like exploration while I want to chill or dont have friends to play or jsut get bored this mine content

If you do dungeons, there are plenty of skill points there. If you're going to be doing them anyway, why not do the quest the first time and get the skill point? You don't have to listen to NPCs talk (for most of them) and that's 24 points, not counting DLC content! Plus another 16 for the public dungeons, again not including DLC zones.

If you like PVP, that's 50 points. Sure, it's an absolute grind to get all 50, but that's what you like doing, right? Start in low level BGs or under 50 if you're worried you don't have enough skill points right away. It doesn't take many BGs to earn the first 7 or so Alliance ranks.

If you're already leveling to 50 so you can equip ready gear, that's another 64 points.

That's absolutely over 100 points right there and you didn't have to go out of your way to do a SINGLE quest or grab a SINGLE skyshard.

and about dungs thats what Im doing, but solely from dungs and char lvling its still not enough points, on pvp its not problem to get 1st 20 skillpoints, rest its just thing to play this char on pvp so not much skillpoints from just these ways

but even if going on pvp Im not gonna enter here while missing half of needed points, similiar with vet dungs so Im gonna do only normal

but as for now if Im playing ESO I ended my pvp adventure good 1.5 year ago and as I see on balance I still wont step foot here especially bg's, thats is more *** than zerging in cyro and all what I could do for now is just zerging if going to pvp about what I have now not problem but just saying state of this
(only 100%pvp or hardcore pvp players are still in pvp for sure or pure cancers)

Meesha1170 · November 2018

I agree that Skyshards should be account bound too. For me it’s out of convenience since I only have limited hours I can play I don’t want to waste it rerunning delves I did years ago on a new alt. It’s a boring slog to have to do that again so it gives me little incentive to create new alts when there are new things on my main I would prefer to do.

Also it doesn’t really create an imbalance in PVE either since after you finish the starter zone you can hop onto a dolmen run in Alikr and have 64 skill points immediately available to you within a few hours on experience scrolls.

Also players would be able to max out their skills to try different classes and rotations to better serve the end game trial & dungeon and PvP communities respectively.

Tandor · November 2018

In my opinion this game - or any other PvE-centric MMORPG - cannot offer complete satisfaction for those only interested in PvP. That seems to lie at the heart of most of the complaints from those who want to introduce short-cuts into the PvE leveling process whether it's through camping 50 levels at a dolmen or in a dungeon, or else being gifted another character's achievements for no time or effort expenditure. They're trying to make the game something it was never intended to be. There are plenty of pure PvP titles out there that are intended for pure PvPers, this game isn't one of them, nor should it be, and nor will it ever be.

Moreover, like any successful MMO can afford to do, its ongoing development will be centred around those who are playing the game or might be thinking of trying it, not those who have already quit it.