Priyasekarssk wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »If you think its so much easier to be a stamina player, give it a shot. You'll be back in your sorc in less than a week.
The fact is :magsorcs now have to actually use their brains like the rest of us when they want a kill. No more guaranteed one shots on squishies. You think swift mobility is ridicilous? Welcome to the reality. It has been like that since summerset. Think your life as a magsorc is hard? Try using dizzying swing. Land at least 2 of your 10 swings on a swift stamblade and I will apologize for doubting you.
Don't know about the delays you are talking about though.
First play and win a dueling tournament with magic sorc. Then come and teach others how to play magic sorc. Even sypher & kodi cannot do it , when at its prime. You are a better player. Just prove it.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »If you think its so much easier to be a stamina player, give it a shot. You'll be back in your sorc in less than a week.
The fact is :magsorcs now have to actually use their brains like the rest of us when they want a kill. No more guaranteed one shots on squishies. You think swift mobility is ridicilous? Welcome to the reality. It has been like that since summerset. Think your life as a magsorc is hard? Try using dizzying swing. Land at least 2 of your 10 swings on a swift stamblade and I will apologize for doubting you.
Don't know about the delays you are talking about though.
Stam is incredibly easy
Ragnarock41 wrote: »Oh yeah, the 3,5 second delay totally makes curse a bad ability, like sub assault right?Cause delayed burst without a cast time isn't the literal best thing in PvP right?
Ragnarock41 wrote: »And dark exchange/dark deal, do you realize this is literally battle roar on demand? Complaining for cast time on this ability is simply ridicilous for how rewarding it is. There isn't even a risk involved anymore, just pop an immovable potion/poison, and completely refill your resources while free to move around.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »As for C.frags, yes , maybe it does need the stun back, but the cast time on it is fine considering its a ranged spammable with other benefits for slotting it. The wrecking blow for example, is practically garbage in comparission, and if it gets the stun back it would be basically a d.swing with 41 meter range.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »I'm not talking for you in particular but of the sorcs crying in this forum damn well knows they don't have the reaction time required to properly play a stamina character. Most of them don't even know how to properly weave or sustain.I know because I kill some of them on a regular basis.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »Personally I wish sorc was about streaking and fragging people to death, instead of shieldstacking and mine spamming and blowing up people with no counterplay builds like a total nobrainer ,so that they could realize how much they DON'T know about this game. Buuuut instead zenimax decides to cater to casuals with no skill at all and people with the reaction times of a goldfish.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »As for the mobility creep, the actual problem about mobility right now is swift trait(which is basically permanent major expedition for only losing about 2500 stam or magicka, very overpowered actually.) , and this is something any class can also utilize, it doesn't even require sprinting. Yet you're all here talking this is something exclusive to stamina. Look, I know mobility creep is a thing, but stamina is balanced around it. Swift came out of nowhere and took it to a ridicilous place where everyone is speed capped. Complain about that and I will agree %100.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »I think most of the sorcs here just know that they don't want to play a class that is fair and on line with everything else. I know how bad some of them play, I would expose them however its not allowed by the forum rules.
Malamar1229 wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »It is so bad...Like it's not even primetime and I get killed through roll dodges, I get killed because I can't cast my wards, I press the buttons...WHERE IS THE SKILL? Rune cage alone is already delayed..With lag..IT DOESNT GO OFF, LIKE WHAT?! MY bursts do not work in cyrodiil..Nerf lag?
Dude it happens to us all. Lag is unforgiving for sorcs. Need quick reaction times and it's hard with the performance. I have to prematurely dodge roll or break free before I see a NB animation or else my health bar is at nothing by the time the animation goes off.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »If you think its so much easier to be a stamina player, give it a shot. You'll be back in your sorc in less than a week.
The fact is :magsorcs now have to actually use their brains like the rest of us when they want a kill. No more guaranteed one shots on squishies. You think swift mobility is ridicilous? Welcome to the reality. It has been like that since summerset. Think your life as a magsorc is hard? Try using dizzying swing. Land at least 2 of your 10 swings on a swift stamblade and I will apologize for doubting you.
Don't know about the delays you are talking about though.
rafaelcsmaia wrote: »https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mINlPkajUkk"]https://youtube.com/watch?v=mINlPkajUkk
Im speechless, this is a solo parse, as much as you may say this player is very skilled, the dps gap between NB and ANY other class has reached ludicrous levels, not to mention their crazy sustain with what looks like blue food (lol), while most others struggle even with witchmother.
Props to the combat team, I barely see video parses from other classes anymore, since no one even bothers.
Soo i should make a stamsorc instead of mag? I have been debating making one or a stamplar for a while now
Soo i should make a stamsorc instead of mag? I have been debating making one or a stamplar for a while now
Dalsinthus wrote: »Dalsinthus wrote: »I'm just not seeing a problem with magic sorcs under performing.
I have years of experience with a Stamblade. My K/D ratio with that class in battlegrounds is usually around 9 to 5, with loads of assists. I've played a mag sorc off and on for the same time, but do not have nearly the pvp experience with it. Yesterday I played a few bg with the sorc and my K/D ratios on the most recent three games were 17/4, 19/5, and 20/5. In other words double the amount of kills for about the same number of deaths. That's in a class where I don't have the skills and key positions nearly as well memorized and my knowledge of the kit is not nearly as deep. I'm having similar experience in Cyrodiil.
Anecdotal. I infrequently do BGs and for me it's a complete melt-fest. I'd be lucky to pull off a single kill with my magsorc. And every other player seems to be in hyper-speed play.
So my experience is anecdotal, but yours somehow is not?
Couldn't have said it better. Can I copy and paste this every time a sorc QQ thread pops up?Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »If you think its so much easier to be a stamina player, give it a shot. You'll be back in your sorc in less than a week.
The fact is :magsorcs now have to actually use their brains like the rest of us when they want a kill. No more guaranteed one shots on squishies. You think swift mobility is ridicilous? Welcome to the reality. It has been like that since summerset. Think your life as a magsorc is hard? Try using dizzying swing. Land at least 2 of your 10 swings on a swift stamblade and I will apologize for doubting you.
Don't know about the delays you are talking about though.
Okay, for one, I have all 15 character slots filled with a variety of builds. So I've run the gamut of builds in ESO. From my experience stam builds are extremely fast. They can run for longer periods of time, they can execute skills a lot faster than a mag build, and are simply ridiculously fast in all aspects. I sometimes find myself playing on my stam build more now, because my magsorcs are agonizingly slow. I see plenty of stam DKs and NBs executing with 2Her skills that are front loaded with gap closers and very fast stuns and interrupts. Dizzying swing is only one skill that any build has access to, so it's not really relevant in this discussion.
Using your brain in a fight is one thing, but not being able to line up the rotation against speed killers in enough time, is just broke AF game design. Magsorcs do not cast any skills fast enough to provide a kill faster than a stam build, that's why they have to lean on stupid stuff like haunting curse, and crystal frags (basically clench your butthole, wait, and pray damage dealing). I've experienced many times stamblades that can out pace my streak with a gap closer, spammed, and still have enough stam to beat the *** out of me with 5 or 6 skills. I literally have no time to respond with anything. Either that or my PC is taking a *** at every stam attack.
To add to this, is the debilitating mechanics built into sorc class skills that seem to have a lot of intrinsic time restraints. Look at the skill lines most utilized by mages versus stam builds! Sorc skills for instance are >= 1s, if not instant. 2Her, bow, and dual all are <= 1s or instant. In fact looking through the skill trees, I don't see any skills for a viable stambuild that are above 1s. NONE!
Now to address the delay on certain skills in the Sorc skill line:
Daedric curse - no delay from cast to placement, but FFS 3.5 seconds to execute???? How many attacks do you think you could land with a 2Her in 3.5 seconds? Dizzying swing has 1s cast time. Back-loaded time steal.
Crystal Frags - 1s cast time, but really only effective if procced, so unless it does proc the skill is pretty much useless in PvP
Dark Exchange - 1.2s cast time. This is so annoying, because it is a 0.2s wait time to heal, while stams get off a 1s stam skill. It makes it practically useless. Siphoning abilities that provide heals for NBs are instant. Every stam build uses vigor and we know the efficiency of that skill.
Mage's Wrath/Endless Fury - Instant but "If target enemy’s Health falls below 20% within 4 seconds". 4 SECONDS!!!?!?!?! RIP. This skill has just started showing about 0.2s delay between cast and strike. You can call me out on it, but I've been running that skill long enough to notice that the delay is present after Wolfhunter patch.
Looking through DK and NB class skills there are a few 1s cast times, but honestly most of the class skills are INSTANT!!! All of DK's and NB's stam morphs are instant casts.
Like I said I was not looking to debate power, but the handicap of time that magsorcs have to put up with in this game. Very few skills that magsorcs utilize are compensated with extra damage to make up for all the time hijacking that goes on in this build. So I am arguing that time is the main factor that is debilitating, and makes for a sub-par build.
Oh yeah, the 3,5 second delay totally makes curse a bad ability, like sub assault right?Cause delayed burst without a cast time isn't the literal best thing in PvP right?
And dark exchange/dark deal, do you realize this is literally battle roar on demand? Complaining for cast time on this ability is simply ridicilous for how rewarding it is. There isn't even a risk involved anymore, just pop an immovable potion/poison, and completely refill your resources while free to move around.
As for C.frags, yes , maybe it does need the stun back, but the cast time on it is fine considering its a ranged spammable with other benefits for slotting it. The wrecking blow for example, is practically garbage in comparission, and if it gets the stun back it would be basically a d.swing with 41 meter range.
I'm not talking for you in particular but of the sorcs crying in this forum damn well knows they don't have the reaction time required to properly play a stamina character. Most of them don't even know how to properly weave or sustain.I know because I kill some of them on a regular basis.
Personally I wish sorc was about streaking and fragging people to death, instead of shieldstacking and mine spamming and blowing up people with no counterplay builds like a total nobrainer ,so that they could realize how much they DON'T know about this game. Buuuut instead zenimax decides to cater to casuals with no skill at all and people with the reaction times of a goldfish.
As for the mobility creep, the actual problem about mobility right now is swift trait(which is basically permanent major expedition for only losing about 2500 stam or magicka, very overpowered actually.) , and this is something any class can also utilize, it doesn't even require sprinting. Yet you're all here talking this is something exclusive to stamina. Look, I know mobility creep is a thing, but stamina is balanced around it. Swift came out of nowhere and took it to a ridicilous place where everyone is speed capped. Complain about that and I will agree %100.
I think most of the sorcs here just know that they don't want to play a class that is fair and on line with everything else. I know how bad some of them play, I would expose them however its not allowed by the forum rules.
Couldn't have said it better. Can I copy and paste this every time a sorc QQ thread pops up?Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »If you think its so much easier to be a stamina player, give it a shot. You'll be back in your sorc in less than a week.
The fact is :magsorcs now have to actually use their brains like the rest of us when they want a kill. No more guaranteed one shots on squishies. You think swift mobility is ridicilous? Welcome to the reality. It has been like that since summerset. Think your life as a magsorc is hard? Try using dizzying swing. Land at least 2 of your 10 swings on a swift stamblade and I will apologize for doubting you.
Don't know about the delays you are talking about though.
Okay, for one, I have all 15 character slots filled with a variety of builds. So I've run the gamut of builds in ESO. From my experience stam builds are extremely fast. They can run for longer periods of time, they can execute skills a lot faster than a mag build, and are simply ridiculously fast in all aspects. I sometimes find myself playing on my stam build more now, because my magsorcs are agonizingly slow. I see plenty of stam DKs and NBs executing with 2Her skills that are front loaded with gap closers and very fast stuns and interrupts. Dizzying swing is only one skill that any build has access to, so it's not really relevant in this discussion.
Using your brain in a fight is one thing, but not being able to line up the rotation against speed killers in enough time, is just broke AF game design. Magsorcs do not cast any skills fast enough to provide a kill faster than a stam build, that's why they have to lean on stupid stuff like haunting curse, and crystal frags (basically clench your butthole, wait, and pray damage dealing). I've experienced many times stamblades that can out pace my streak with a gap closer, spammed, and still have enough stam to beat the *** out of me with 5 or 6 skills. I literally have no time to respond with anything. Either that or my PC is taking a *** at every stam attack.
To add to this, is the debilitating mechanics built into sorc class skills that seem to have a lot of intrinsic time restraints. Look at the skill lines most utilized by mages versus stam builds! Sorc skills for instance are >= 1s, if not instant. 2Her, bow, and dual all are <= 1s or instant. In fact looking through the skill trees, I don't see any skills for a viable stambuild that are above 1s. NONE!
Now to address the delay on certain skills in the Sorc skill line:
Daedric curse - no delay from cast to placement, but FFS 3.5 seconds to execute???? How many attacks do you think you could land with a 2Her in 3.5 seconds? Dizzying swing has 1s cast time. Back-loaded time steal.
Crystal Frags - 1s cast time, but really only effective if procced, so unless it does proc the skill is pretty much useless in PvP
Dark Exchange - 1.2s cast time. This is so annoying, because it is a 0.2s wait time to heal, while stams get off a 1s stam skill. It makes it practically useless. Siphoning abilities that provide heals for NBs are instant. Every stam build uses vigor and we know the efficiency of that skill.
Mage's Wrath/Endless Fury - Instant but "If target enemy’s Health falls below 20% within 4 seconds". 4 SECONDS!!!?!?!?! RIP. This skill has just started showing about 0.2s delay between cast and strike. You can call me out on it, but I've been running that skill long enough to notice that the delay is present after Wolfhunter patch.
Looking through DK and NB class skills there are a few 1s cast times, but honestly most of the class skills are INSTANT!!! All of DK's and NB's stam morphs are instant casts.
Like I said I was not looking to debate power, but the handicap of time that magsorcs have to put up with in this game. Very few skills that magsorcs utilize are compensated with extra damage to make up for all the time hijacking that goes on in this build. So I am arguing that time is the main factor that is debilitating, and makes for a sub-par build.
Oh yeah, the 3,5 second delay totally makes curse a bad ability, like sub assault right?Cause delayed burst without a cast time isn't the literal best thing in PvP right?
And dark exchange/dark deal, do you realize this is literally battle roar on demand? Complaining for cast time on this ability is simply ridicilous for how rewarding it is. There isn't even a risk involved anymore, just pop an immovable potion/poison, and completely refill your resources while free to move around.
As for C.frags, yes , maybe it does need the stun back, but the cast time on it is fine considering its a ranged spammable with other benefits for slotting it. The wrecking blow for example, is practically garbage in comparission, and if it gets the stun back it would be basically a d.swing with 41 meter range.
I'm not talking for you in particular but of the sorcs crying in this forum damn well knows they don't have the reaction time required to properly play a stamina character. Most of them don't even know how to properly weave or sustain.I know because I kill some of them on a regular basis.
Personally I wish sorc was about streaking and fragging people to death, instead of shieldstacking and mine spamming and blowing up people with no counterplay builds like a total nobrainer ,so that they could realize how much they DON'T know about this game. Buuuut instead zenimax decides to cater to casuals with no skill at all and people with the reaction times of a goldfish.
As for the mobility creep, the actual problem about mobility right now is swift trait(which is basically permanent major expedition for only losing about 2500 stam or magicka, very overpowered actually.) , and this is something any class can also utilize, it doesn't even require sprinting. Yet you're all here talking this is something exclusive to stamina. Look, I know mobility creep is a thing, but stamina is balanced around it. Swift came out of nowhere and took it to a ridicilous place where everyone is speed capped. Complain about that and I will agree %100.
I think most of the sorcs here just know that they don't want to play a class that is fair and on line with everything else. I know how bad some of them play, I would expose them however its not allowed by the forum rules.
I do have a magsorc and I still like it for PvP lol. Magsorcs do need get buffed in PvE, I'll give u that much.
Can I copy and paste this every time a sorc QQ thread pops up?
As for C.frags, yes , maybe it does need the stun back, but the cast time on it is fine considering its a ranged spammable with other benefits for slotting it.
Magsorcs are still very good in pvp. The delayed damage from curse allows huge burst potential. They have a good execute for pvp, large shields, good mobility with streak, and dont forget the rune cage meteor combo.
As for C.frags, yes , maybe it does need the stun back, but the cast time on it is fine considering its a ranged spammable with other benefits for slotting it.
Frags may be a lot of things, but certainly not a ranged spammable.
nryerson1025 wrote: »
nryerson1025 wrote: »this is where you lost me
Illuvatarr wrote: »
My mag Sorc is stronger than ever. Do you have at least 2500 inpen? Are you smart and running empowered ward as opposed to hardened ward? Are you using bound aegis and an ice staff on back bar and the matriarch for heals? Do you have 25k resists for both physical and spell resist?
russelmmendoza wrote: »Frontbar skills.
Haunting curse. Mages wrath. Crystal frag. Critical surge. Boundless storm.
Backbar skills.
Mages wrath. Liquid lightning. Restraining prison. Critical surge. Boundless storm.
russelmmendoza wrote: »Your joking right?
Seriously, please tell me your joking.
My magsorc have lots of fun killing in bg.
My stamnb bowganker is not near as good as my magsorc.
Here do this if you can.
2 light mighty chuda. Divines magicka
5 light war maiden. Divines magicka.
3 jewels mothers sorrow. Infused spldmg.
Front mothers sorrow flame infused berserk.
Back mothers sorrow lightning infused berserk.
Frontbar skills.
Haunting curse. Mages wrath. Crystal frag. Critical surge. Boundless storm.
Backbar skills.
Mages wrath. Liquid lightning. Restraining prison. Critical surge. Boundless storm.
For your perusal.