I don't know why people keep saying this motif will be farmed a lot with a huge surplus at the end of the event. The Dremora motif is different to all other event motifs, limited to 7 pages per account per day.

Since it takes 2 days to learn the motif, there are 12 days remaining for spares.
(12)x(7)x(number of players who earn all 7 each day) = maximum amount of pages.

It sounds like a lot, but it won't come close to the surplus of Hollowjack or Skinchanger pages, especially the Trial/Arena drops. All we can do is organise as many normal trial groups and normal Dragonstar Arena groups as possible.

Rake wrote: »

Its time consuming. Boring.

Versus grinding dailies? Versus fishing? Versus chest farming for BA?

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As for arenas you're on your own, but I see low level players all the time in gear farm normal trials.

DSA counts as an arena, though Maelstrom is most likely easier and shorter

You need to complete arena to get skull...

Yes...? And?

gl getting it on alts

Que the nMA on a lvl 3 with one skill video. Oh, there it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axsgf6Ei_lU&ebc=ANyPxKpaeQGwgid7fVroRdpM4dL8BkEQgDQvvZ5VjEfJYs3MuxHM928Nx-u7l63pl2Jlzx3HY62u

Its time consuming. Boring.

And? Still shorter than nDSA with similar levels. Only longer if you're getting carried by CP characters.
And yes many event activities are boring, you lack a point to make.

Unlike some events in the past where one could collect motifs on 5-10 or even full account of characters now its impossible. I you state that it is possible, Id love to see math behind that.

Sure, it sounds bad compared to Hollowjack. But it's much better than Worm Cult.

I totally agree with the OP. This is stupid.

But silver lining - I see this is an invitation from ZOS to stop giving a damn about holiday achievements.

There I was, busting my balls to get all my characters through the psijic quest line so when farming plunder skulls I could also maybe get a few more psijic motifs, and then there's this new achievement.

You can't even queue for trials in the dungeon group finder thingy.

Now I've decided to not even bother, which gives me a lot more free time over the next few weeks. I'll just get my ticket for the indrik feather and call it a day.

Thank you ZOS

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It's also possible to get the whole book in a dremora plunder skull...found one yesterday^^

Eso101rus wrote: »

I’m sorry but I can’t disagree with you enough. This event encourages people to try all aspects of pve in the game, even for low level players the broad base of opportunity has something for everyone. If you have time and effort to post on forum then surely you care enough about the game and new motif to join a pug trial from area chat, run maelstrom on normal etc.

I largely agree with you, but what sets apart trials and arenas from the rest of the activities required for this event is that you have to actively form or join a group to do them (or go solo, in case of Maelstrom Arena), while overland content, delves and public dungeons can be done with help from others simply showing up at the right place at the right moment and dungeons have the group finder (albeit this isn't working smoothly at the moment).
Those that are shier than average or simply not confident enough in their characters build and their own skills might refrain from even trying arenas and trials (the same goes for dungeons, to a lesser extent).

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Eso101rus wrote: »

I’m sorry but I can’t disagree with you enough. This event encourages people to try all aspects of pve in the game, even for low level players the broad base of opportunity has something for everyone. If you have time and effort to post on forum then surely you care enough about the game and new motif to join a pug trial from area chat, run maelstrom on normal etc.

Made me laugh.

I have time to post on the forums because I queued up trait research, horse fed my last character doing that, killed one delve boss for the event ticket and called it a day.

It's not a dreadful motif but no I don't care about it.

I have most of the motifs I really like, am working on the remaining few and I believe that event motifs don't count for crafting writs - in terms of they don't improve your chances of receiving them or the amount of currency they reward.

I'll take a few days off - bit burned out from doing the psijic quest over and over and over... and over and over and over - then either work on other stuff in ESO or play something else.

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Eso101rus wrote: »

I’m sorry but I can’t disagree with you enough. This event encourages people to try all aspects of pve in the game, even for low level players the broad base of opportunity has something for everyone. If you have time and effort to post on forum then surely you care enough about the game and new motif to join a pug trial from area chat, run maelstrom on normal etc.

Made me laugh.

I have time to post on the forums because I queued up trait research, horse fed my last character doing that, killed one delve boss for the event ticket and called it a day.

It's not a dreadful motif but no I don't care about it.

I have most of the motifs I really like, am working on the remaining few and I believe that event motifs don't count for crafting writs - in terms of they don't improve your chances of receiving them or the amount of currency they reward.

I'll take a few days off - bit burned out from doing the psijic quest over and over and over... and over and over and over - then either work on other stuff in ESO or play something else.

Psijic is a CHORE. I've done it 5 times now and I have 10 characters left. I wish the Psijic quests were fun. Why cant they be fun? Wouldn't that make sense?

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I largely agree with you, but what sets apart trials and arenas from the rest of the activities required for this event is that you have to actively form or join a group to do them

Nailed it.

I at least considered giving it a go to get the motif for my crafting character, but like I said :

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You can't even queue for trials in the dungeon group finder thingy.

Except for this bit :

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Those that are shier than average or simply not confident enough in their characters build and their own skills might refrain from even trying arenas and trials (the same goes for dungeons, to a lesser extent).

I'm not shy. I have autoinvite installed and start my own world boss or dolmen group, back when I was still leveling characters. My CP is 700+, I have all crafts (except jewellery) maxed including all traits researched. I'm well equipped and I'd be surprised if I found any challenge in trials. MMO end-game content is generally boring, repetitive and incredibly stupid.

"Super powerful" boss mobs which nevertheless have unbelievably predictable and artificial patterns which allow them to be "triumphed over". Yawn. And healing - which is my preferred thing - is an even bigger yawn in this game. Can you spam healing springs? Can you quickly cast healing ward when someone takes a big hit? Yawn. Yawn.

And I can't even queue for one in the game's group finder?

Pass.

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Psijic is a CHORE. I've done it 5 times now and I have 10 characters left. I wish the Psijic quests were fun. Why cant they be fun? Wouldn't that make sense?

I wouldn't say it was super fun and it's a lot less than the spellcrafting we are still occasionally teased with, but I got my hands on some new magic in a relatively short amount of time (6 hours for characters without many wayshrines and stopping for skyshards and lore books, 3 if I was just doing the psijic quests) and we got a manor and quite nice mount to go with it.

I'm only burned out on it because I've done it 7 times over the past couple of weeks.

If you're not already aware of it, the maps in this guide are handy. I know all the spots now but those printed maps took a lot of the pain out of the early runs.

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I'm also wondering about arena bosses, having characters in the lower thirties I'm not sure I can tackle those.

arena bosses? i can only think of maelstrom and dragonstar arena? if those are the arena bosses, again, thats not very fair for low level players.

I take level 3s into normal maelstrom to level them quite often.


Normal is the difficulty you are looking for. You don't have to be lvled.

I tried Maelstrom Arena yesterday for the first time, I finished the first zone at my third attempt (with a level 34 char), but then I couldn't work out a moving pattern to avoid the blade in the second stage and quit, given that today I have to work.
I suppose I can manage to finish it putting in a few hours of effort, but honestly I don't see this as something you could do daily to farm plunder skulls.
To put things in perspective, I did a dolmen, a world boss, a delve and a quest boss in half a hour, a public dungeon in another hour (mostly spent waiting in queue), and the first stage of MA in the last hour of gameplay.
I'll try to join a group for the arena in Craglorn and then for some simple trial (any suggestions?)

@albesca Stay one ring in from the outside and step through the blades as they come at you, or go around them in a "J" pattern to miss them both. The blades shred everyone their first time through.

MA (and DSA to an extent) are probably directed at people who have set foot before.

To give you a timeline:
nDSA takes right at an hour (simply because the spawns and round starts are so slow)
MA will take 20-60 minutes depending on build and familiarity.

DSA will give you 4x the correct drop change, but I suspect MA is probably faster to clear.

The good news with both is if you don't want to farm those, you can be done in as little as two days out of the 14 available.

I basically heavy attacked my way through normal maelstrom the other day on my healer, in full healer spec/cp, etc. took me like 40 minutes. I could have swapped gear from another toon, paid for the cp change, etc. (I do have flawless on my healer),

Point is, just because YOU don't want to do something, doesn't mean that it's "impossible" to be done. Plus, as is status quo for events, and event achievements, you'll be able to do them again in a year when it comes around.

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Seriously though, not cool. I love how everyone's saying 'do normals they are easy; take a level 3 into arena' etc, etc, etc. with obviously no clue whatsoever about how many people play this game that don't do this content for real reasons, not 'I just don't like it'.

As I stated above I tried MA with my level 34 stamblade yesterday and I honestly can't see how a low level character with basic gear and only few skills and common food and drink (you know, a real low level character) is supposed to beat that, even with perfect knowledge of what's going on.
I'd love to see a video of that

See post #58

I have done nMA straight from the wailing prison, in low level training gear. No CP Applied, but using basic craftable sets like seducer or hunding's. It's not a brag, it's a recommendation I give to people who want to level new toons, and finishing nMA will get you close enough to 10 so you can use the dungeon finder for bonus XP. It also raises up fighter's guild level fast.

The higher my level, it became slightly more difficult as the scaling dropped off. So, I'm not sure how difficult it is for a new player who's at level 30-50.

Just skip it if you can't and buy the pages. Farm some gold, or do the content you like the most, and use the spoils from that to trade/sell. They are not BOP, so nobody is required to do any of the content or miss out altogether.