Jewelry Crafting Still Broken

Sevalaricgirl · October 2018

Jewelry crafting is awful, really awful. Getting the frakking materials is an enormous grind.

Linaleah · October 2018

tmbrinks wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

nope. no issue. if jewelry crafting was as you say, vet trials would be worthless, and the golden vendor would be worthless.

oh for god's sakes. 1. they would not be worthless. 2 ITS NOT SOLELY ABOUT GOLD JEWELRY

it needs

to be

on PAR with other crafts.

somehow other crafting professions didn't make vet trials and vet dungeons worthless. making jewelry slightly less of a pain? is not going to do that either. bringing up master writs to the point where they are ON PAR in terms of worth to craft with other master writs? is not going to make trials and dungeons worthless.

and last but not least. MAKING JEWELRY CRAFTING FURNISHINGS LESS OF A PAIN. is not going to make dungeons and trials worthless.

its not even about time investment. its about UNREASONABLY MORE PROLONGED COMPARED TO OTHER CRAFTING PROFESSIONS. investment.

I'm just gonna guess you weren't playing at launch, when Alloys/Rosin/Wax/Kuta were rare, and their prices were similarly high to the current cost of platings.

You also need between 6-7.33x as many Alloys/Rosin/Wax/Kuta as you need platings (9-11 weapon/gear slots vs 3 jewelry, and 2x because only need 1/2 the platings), so having the extra 10:1 in there is only a 30 or 40% increase over the other crafts... still not seeing a problem.

I'll admit, I don't craft stuff for houses... I can't even decorate my IRL house, why the hell would I do it in game? lol... However, 95% of the responses to this problem in the now hundreds of threads seem to primarily focus on the jewelry aspect, which is why I am.

As somebody said earlier... it's built for the long term, it took 4 years for the other markets to get to this point. Let's not rush to judgement after only 5 months.

I quit playing at launch becasue the game had so many issues back then. this is one of them. that it used to be worse is NOT a defence to go back to things being bad. used to be worse =/= its ok in current state.

and markets are never going to get to the point of other crafting skills becasue it STILL. TAKES. TEN. TIMES. LONGER. to get any upgrade materials for jewelrcrafting. BECAUSE GRAIN SYSTEM.

it doesn't matter how you farm it, whether you farm jewelry for decon, or mats for refining, or both at the same time. you STILl get grains. not full platings. GRAINS that you need to refine 10 of into a single plating.

supaskrub · October 2018

Sorry but you get out of it what you put into it, putting into it for me is having 15 max level jewellers doing daily writs for a chance of grains. ZOS did say and rightly so that it was never meant to be an easy option. It’s true that until Wolfhunter dlc it was way too grindy and time consuming to gold out even just one item. It’s a lot better now with the reduction of platings required and in my opinion it sits in a good place.

With just my daily writs and maybe 1.5hrs per day farming I can just about manage to make 2 gold platings in a good day and still manage 1 on a very bad day, I would say my average number if platings per week that I can create sits around 10. Failing having the time/commitment or number of maxed jewel crafters to make your own platings doesn’t exclude you from upgrading because there are plenty of platings for sale in guild stores and gold in this game is not hard to come by imo.

richo262 · October 2018

Most of my gear is Purple.

I learned when I Goldened my gear that ZOS likes to change sets around. My gear got nerfed and couldn't store it or sell it, so it got deconned eventually. I almost Goldened my BSW gear, then that got nerfed, so I dodged a bullet there. My desire to invest so much effort into golden jewelry is pretty much 0.

If ZOS introduced a real armory system, where I could rack it up for later use, I'd Golden my stuff again, because then it won't be the end of the world if it got nerfed, it would be stored away instead.

code65536 · October 2018

supaskrub wrote: »

Sorry but you get out of it what you put into it, putting into it for me is having 15 max level jewellers doing daily writs for a chance of grains. ZOS did say and rightly so that it was never meant to be an easy option. It’s true that until Wolfhunter dlc it was way too grindy and time consuming to gold out even just one item. It’s a lot better now with the reduction of platings required and in my opinion it sits in a good place.

With just my daily writs and maybe 1.5hrs per day farming I can just about manage to make 2 gold platings in a good day and still manage 1 on a very bad day, I would say my average number if platings per week that I can create sits around 10. Failing having the time/commitment or number of maxed jewel crafters to make your own platings doesn’t exclude you from upgrading because there are plenty of platings for sale in guild stores and gold in this game is not hard to come by imo.

It's possible, sure.

But is it fun?

supaskrub · October 2018

code65536 wrote: »

supaskrub wrote: »

Sorry but you get out of it what you put into it, putting into it for me is having 15 max level jewellers doing daily writs for a chance of grains. ZOS did say and rightly so that it was never meant to be an easy option. It’s true that until Wolfhunter dlc it was way too grindy and time consuming to gold out even just one item. It’s a lot better now with the reduction of platings required and in my opinion it sits in a good place.

With just my daily writs and maybe 1.5hrs per day farming I can just about manage to make 2 gold platings in a good day and still manage 1 on a very bad day, I would say my average number if platings per week that I can create sits around 10. Failing having the time/commitment or number of maxed jewel crafters to make your own platings doesn’t exclude you from upgrading because there are plenty of platings for sale in guild stores and gold in this game is not hard to come by imo.

It's possible, sure.

But is it fun?

I never said it was, but it’s part of the package, just the same when I’m dps testing and nailing a rotation consistently, neither is fun but if you put the effort in it pays off.

kaiage · October 2018

I disagree.

It gives players that have been around awhile an advantage over those who haven't been here quite as long.

Perfectly balanced ZoS; great job!

Don't listen to the noobies.

***and now i'm logging off the forums because now it's bordering on reported behavior and we.... i'll just leave it at that***
pce lvrs, find me in destiny

Hateanthem · October 2018

Ardaghion wrote: »

Hateanthem wrote: »

I have probably refined close to 10k dust, done the writs for over a month now.

I have 1 Chromium dust.

1.

ONE FREAKING CHROMIUM DUST.

Maybe RNG hates me, but this is ridiculous.

You need to do the JC daily writs, occasionally (not sure how often) I get a chromium dust in my coffer reward. With 2 crafters, one fully leveled in JC, the other at copper level, I've got about 4 chromium platings so far. Yay? Problem is, I have maybe 7 zircon platings, those seem to be the hardest to come by. Currently, I have no interest in making gold jewelry, I'd prefer getting zircon dust in my daily JC reward.

I suppose I should spend more time doing dolmen and daily quests to get a few purple jewelry to get a chance at a zircon dust. But maybe I'll just spend gold buying zircon platings when I need them. I would venture a guess that the rarity of platings is what is driving the increase in bots and low-level "players" camping blacksmithing/JC nodes. Someone is gathering large quantities of pewter and refining them for the platings dust.

The writ is how I got the one dust that I have.

OrdoHermetica · October 2018

*looks at the 13 Chromium Platings he's refined since Summerset launched* I mean... I just do my JC surveys and get my Chromium Grains from refining platinum dust. If you're relying on Chromium Grains from turning in dailies, then yeah, it's going to take forever and a half.

But why would you do that when surveys exist for pretty much exactly this purpose?

Linaleah · October 2018

supaskrub wrote: »

Sorry but you get out of it what you put into it, putting into it for me is having 15 max level jewellers doing daily writs for a chance of grains. ZOS did say and rightly so that it was never meant to be an easy option. It’s true that until Wolfhunter dlc it was way too grindy and time consuming to gold out even just one item. It’s a lot better now with the reduction of platings required and in my opinion it sits in a good place.

With just my daily writs and maybe 1.5hrs per day farming I can just about manage to make 2 gold platings in a good day and still manage 1 on a very bad day, I would say my average number if platings per week that I can create sits around 10. Failing having the time/commitment or number of maxed jewel crafters to make your own platings doesn’t exclude you from upgrading because there are plenty of platings for sale in guild stores and gold in this game is not hard to come by imo.

hi. hello. reminder. ITS NOT JUST ABOUT GOLD GRAINS. did you know that JC daily writs don't have a chance of other upgrade mats anymore? I used to do writs on all my characters becasue I'd get greens and blues and purples. yes, gold were even rarer (they are STILL too damn rare, in the same time you get maybe 2 platings, do you know how many gold other crafting mats you get? and you don't even need maxed out professions to get it, unlike JC where you have to be at max level for any kind of chance of a gold grain, but I digress), but right now, its mostly stupid, useless trait grains. I NEED greens and blues and purples. and I need them FAR MORE THEN GOLD.

BECAUSE ITS NOT JUST ABOUT GOSH DARN GEAR.

I shouldn't have to spend a whole *** day farming only to be able to craft a single bloody goblet or a jewelry box. THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

Linaleah · October 2018

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

*looks at the 13 Chromium Platings he's refined since Summerset launched* I mean... I just do my JC surveys and get my Chromium Grains from refining platinum dust. If you're relying on Chromium Grains from turning in dailies, then yeah, it's going to take forever and a half.

But why would you do that when surveys exist for pretty much exactly this purpose?

13 platings in almost half a year. THIRTEEN. compared to 100+ of refining other profession crafting mats. and you still don't see a problem? jewelry crafting is NOT on par with other crafting professions. not. even. remotely.

EvilAutoTech · October 2018

I'm almost there! I have 3 chromium platings and 6 grains. Another month or so and I should be able to upgrade 1 purple to gold.

OrdoHermetica · October 2018

Linaleah wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

*looks at the 13 Chromium Platings he's refined since Summerset launched* I mean... I just do my JC surveys and get my Chromium Grains from refining platinum dust. If you're relying on Chromium Grains from turning in dailies, then yeah, it's going to take forever and a half.

But why would you do that when surveys exist for pretty much exactly this purpose?

13 platings in almost half a year. THIRTEEN. compared to 100+ of refining other profession crafting mats. and you still don't see a problem? jewelry crafting is NOT on par with other crafting professions. not. even. remotely.

13 platings in half a year of me doing very, very little to gather them, because I really don't care, given that the difference between purple and gold jewelry is trivial. And that's not counting the few I've used so far for the rare master writs that are worth it - I'm probably at more like 20-22. I could have gotten far more had I bothered to go out of my way.

But also, that's sort of my point: the difference between purple and gold jewelry is trivial. They're not weapons, where that difference matters. So... yeah, it's about 10x more rare than Tempering Alloy or Rosin, but it's also not as useful. It's far from an essential thing, and as a nice to have luxury, I'm pretty alright with it being... well, a rare luxury. Yes, I know it's used for furniture, and I'll grant also that recipes are a little bit absurd and should probably typically not call for Chromium Plating, given that it's a fairly rare recipe that calls for other gold upgrade mats.

I will also say that the JC master writs are still garbage more often than not, and ZOS still has some tweaking to do there.

Shawn_PT · October 2018

There are only two issues I see with JC.

One: the value of those master writs makes them absolutely trash. If they require X times as many 'tempers' to complete as a regular wood/smith/cloth writ, then they should also reward X times the number of vouchers. I don't think I have ever done a JC master writ and I do master writs pretty much on a daily basis. They're just not worth it.

Two: if gold tempers are required for furnishing plans, they should take the grains and not the platings. That's saying that I have to dump like 10 Tempering Alloys to craft a knicknack for my bedside table. Nope. Not gonna happen. Sorry.

kaiage · October 2018

Gus. Wut u suld do:

go into cyrodiil. farm ap. (this only works if your EP and in vivec)

then buy the yellow jewelry peaces that come available on the weekend

profit

dem0n1k · October 2018

I wouldn't say JC is broken but it's the most tedious crafting grind in the game. At first I just thought that it would be like when VR16 mats came out & you needed 10x the mats to craft VR16 gear than VR15 gear... but it's way worse. I can't even craft set jewelry in blue or purple... as I don't have enough platings. I should be able to craft one gold ring in about 2020 if the game is still going.

Fur_like_snow · October 2018

Gold plating on PC NA right now is 70k x 4 = 280k. Jewelry from the weekly golden merchant is 250k.

kaiage · October 2018

No; goofball. The weekly golden merchant is 500k AP; which is different from gold.. you PvP-fiends you.

I played for like two days and have 2mil+ alliance pointies on my nightblade… and then some on my Templar-guy.

That's like...……… 1 plating a week? I dunno, thinking wasn't ever one of my subjects in school, ask a really smart doctor man. (or woman.)

Fur_like_snow · October 2018

You can buy golden merchant jewelry with gold. My point was that the the two prices are similar.

Linaleah · October 2018

sigh. grabs a pillow for when I bang my head on my desk I don't bruise myself.

its NOT. ONLY. ABOUT. GOLD. JEWELRY.

but even then - to that reply about 13 platings. while making about the same effort - you get TEN. TIMES. THAT. of other upgrade materials.

Integral1900 · October 2018

Well for me it shakes down as follows

1 Do jewelry writs
2 Destroy master jewelry writs unless they are the odd purple one that turns up for like 250 vouchers
3 Having upgraded one item to unlock the new colour sell any gold grains as the diffrence between the two levels is so tiny as to be utterly irrelevant

OrdoHermetica · October 2018

Linaleah wrote: »

sigh. grabs a pillow for when I bang my head on my desk I don't bruise myself.

its NOT. ONLY. ABOUT. GOLD. JEWELRY.

but even then - to that reply about 13 platings. while making about the same effort - you get TEN. TIMES. THAT. of other upgrade materials.

So... if your reply was in response to mine primarily: I did specifically say I agree that the number of furnishing recipes that requires gold plating is a bit absurd.

That said... yes. I know it takes 10x that. I also specifically said that as well. And yeah, I'm personally fine with that. Alinor recipes aside, Chromium Plating is used for far, far less than other gold upgrade mats are. Also... I'm really quite okay with the concept of jewelry mats being expensive and rare. And I say that as both a Master Crafter AND a housing enthusiast. I, too, build expensive furniture.

TheCyberDruid · October 2018

Shawn_PT wrote: »

There are only two issues I see with JC.

One: the value of those master writs makes them absolutely trash. If they require X times as many 'tempers' to complete as a regular wood/smith/cloth writ, then they should also reward X times the number of vouchers. I don't think I have ever done a JC master writ and I do master writs pretty much on a daily basis. They're just not worth it.

Two: if gold tempers are required for furnishing plans, they should take the grains and not the platings. That's saying that I have to dump like 10 Tempering Alloys to craft a knicknack for my bedside table. Nope. Not gonna happen. Sorry.

Pretty much spot on. I got the Alinor clock plan just to realise that it takes a plating and not just a grain. That's really not going to happen when other gold plans 'just' require one golden mat and not 10...

Iluvrien · October 2018

Linaleah wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

*looks at the 13 Chromium Platings he's refined since Summerset launched* I mean... I just do my JC surveys and get my Chromium Grains from refining platinum dust. If you're relying on Chromium Grains from turning in dailies, then yeah, it's going to take forever and a half.

But why would you do that when surveys exist for pretty much exactly this purpose?

13 platings in almost half a year. THIRTEEN. compared to 100+ of refining other profession crafting mats. and you still don't see a problem? jewelry crafting is NOT on par with other crafting professions. not. even. remotely.

I see a problem.

The other crafting professions have been simplified to the point of triviality.

Just because you can be your own crafter, it doesn't mean that you should be.

There was a crafting economy near launch because the crafts took longer to master. Especially enchanting. Some people focused on Crafting as a play style and were in demand.

As crafting was simplified and trivialised the pool of crafters increased and so the crafting economy (all but) disappeared.

ZOS has gone some way to rewarding some people for their different playstyle choices over the last few years (trials and PVP available items that are tradeable). It is my hope that Jewellery crafting is the way it is because it seeks to reward those who focus on it.

I have no problem with the system as it is now. I have a problem with the people who seek to trivialise yet another crafting system because they can't accept paying someone else to provide what they need.

Linaleah · October 2018

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

sigh. grabs a pillow for when I bang my head on my desk I don't bruise myself.

its NOT. ONLY. ABOUT. GOLD. JEWELRY.

but even then - to that reply about 13 platings. while making about the same effort - you get TEN. TIMES. THAT. of other upgrade materials.

So... if your reply was in response to mine primarily: I did specifically say I agree that the number of furnishing recipes that requires gold plating is a bit absurd.

That said... yes. I know it takes 10x that. I also specifically said that as well. And yeah, I'm personally fine with that. Alinor recipes aside, Chromium Plating is used for far, far less than other gold upgrade mats are. Also... I'm really quite okay with the concept of jewelry mats being expensive and rare. And I say that as both a Master Crafter AND a housing enthusiast. I, too, build expensive furniture.

its not just gold plating. I actualy have MORE problems with green and blue and especially purple recipes.

and no, I'm NOT fine with that. this is dwemmer furniture all over again. and. it. SUCKS.

as for that last post about trivializing other professions. oy. becoming a master crafter takes a YEAR, give or take, thanks to research. you STILL need to gather up enough skill points to fully upgrade your passives that make upgrading gear cost the smallest possible number of upgrade materials. you still need to GET those upgrade materials.

its not trivial. but it IS, FINALLY accessible. is that what you have a problem with? that unwashed masses actualy get to wear set purple gear? that more then very select few can actualy "gasp" upgrade to gold? that you are no longer in a very exclusive club?

regardless of whether you pay someone or craft yourself, rarity of platings IS a problem.

some of you people are just..... to try and put it in terms you may understand. the more inaccessible something is? the FEWER customers you actualy have, becasue bulk of the players have trouble making THAT much gold.

OrdoHermetica · October 2018

Linaleah wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

sigh. grabs a pillow for when I bang my head on my desk I don't bruise myself.

its NOT. ONLY. ABOUT. GOLD. JEWELRY.

but even then - to that reply about 13 platings. while making about the same effort - you get TEN. TIMES. THAT. of other upgrade materials.

So... if your reply was in response to mine primarily: I did specifically say I agree that the number of furnishing recipes that requires gold plating is a bit absurd.

That said... yes. I know it takes 10x that. I also specifically said that as well. And yeah, I'm personally fine with that. Alinor recipes aside, Chromium Plating is used for far, far less than other gold upgrade mats are. Also... I'm really quite okay with the concept of jewelry mats being expensive and rare. And I say that as both a Master Crafter AND a housing enthusiast. I, too, build expensive furniture.

its not just gold plating. I actualy have MORE problems with green and blue and especially purple recipes.

and no, I'm NOT fine with that. this is dwemmer furniture all over again. and. it. SUCKS.

as for that last post about trivializing other professions. oy. becoming a master crafter takes a YEAR, give or take, thanks to research. you STILL need to gather up enough skill points to fully upgrade your passives that make upgrading gear cost the smallest possible number of upgrade materials. you still need to GET those upgrade materials.

its not trivial. but it IS, FINALLY accessible. is that what you have a problem with? that unwashed masses actualy get to wear set purple gear? that more then very select few can actualy "gasp" upgrade to gold? that you are no longer in a very exclusive club?

regardless of whether you pay someone or craft yourself, rarity of platings IS a problem.

some of you people are just..... to try and put it in terms you may understand. the more inaccessible something is? the FEWER customers you actualy have, becasue bulk of the players have trouble making THAT much gold.

...no? Those are some major assumptions you're making about me and my motives, and... they're false. I craft expensive things for others for cheap or free all the time, because I want people to be able to enjoy fancy armors and furniture and the like. In fact, crafting things for profit is a very rare thing for me in general; mostly I craft research items and furniture for guildies. I've posted more than a few times on these forums criticizing the whole "exclusivity" thing that ZOS seems to promote, especially with things like limited-time motifs, styles, mounts, houses, etc. Exclusivity is pretty meaningless to me, and in fact I think it's often a detriment to the game. Also, I mentioned my master crafter status as context - specifically, that I spend a lot of time working with expensive upgrade mats, so I really do understand the time and gold that can go into this sort of thing. I don't know why you would assume that was me trivializing other professions. (Also, wait, what? How would that even work?)

However, I'm okay with a thematically rare material being, well, rare. I think it's okay for it to be considerably more rare than other crafting mats. That's it. That's all. I do think that some things clearly need some tweaking, such as the glut of recipes that require entirely too many rare mats, and over half of JC master writs being garbage, but thematically I'm fine with it. Clearly you disagree, and that's fine. But no, it's not some sort of elitism on my part.

Linaleah · October 2018

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

sigh. grabs a pillow for when I bang my head on my desk I don't bruise myself.

its NOT. ONLY. ABOUT. GOLD. JEWELRY.

but even then - to that reply about 13 platings. while making about the same effort - you get TEN. TIMES. THAT. of other upgrade materials.

So... if your reply was in response to mine primarily: I did specifically say I agree that the number of furnishing recipes that requires gold plating is a bit absurd.

That said... yes. I know it takes 10x that. I also specifically said that as well. And yeah, I'm personally fine with that. Alinor recipes aside, Chromium Plating is used for far, far less than other gold upgrade mats are. Also... I'm really quite okay with the concept of jewelry mats being expensive and rare. And I say that as both a Master Crafter AND a housing enthusiast. I, too, build expensive furniture.

its not just gold plating. I actualy have MORE problems with green and blue and especially purple recipes.

and no, I'm NOT fine with that. this is dwemmer furniture all over again. and. it. SUCKS.

as for that last post about trivializing other professions. oy. becoming a master crafter takes a YEAR, give or take, thanks to research. you STILL need to gather up enough skill points to fully upgrade your passives that make upgrading gear cost the smallest possible number of upgrade materials. you still need to GET those upgrade materials.

its not trivial. but it IS, FINALLY accessible. is that what you have a problem with? that unwashed masses actualy get to wear set purple gear? that more then very select few can actualy "gasp" upgrade to gold? that you are no longer in a very exclusive club?

regardless of whether you pay someone or craft yourself, rarity of platings IS a problem.

some of you people are just..... to try and put it in terms you may understand. the more inaccessible something is? the FEWER customers you actualy have, becasue bulk of the players have trouble making THAT much gold.

...no? Those are some major assumptions you're making about me and my motives, and... they're false. I craft expensive things for others for cheap or free all the time, because I want people to be able to enjoy fancy armors and furniture and the like. In fact, crafting things for profit is a very rare thing for me in general. I've posted more than a few times on these forums criticizing the whole "exclusivity" thing that ZOS seems to promote, especially with things like limited-time mounts. Exclusivity is pretty meaningless to me. Also, I mentioned my master crafter status as context - specifically, that I spend a lot of time working with expensive upgrade mats, so I really do understand the time and gold that can go into this sort of thing. I don't know why you would assume that was me trivializing other professions. (Also, wait, what? How would that even work?)

However, I'm okay with a thematically rare material being, well, rare. I think it's okay for it to be considerably more rare than other crafting mats. That's it. That's all. I do think that some things clearly need some tweaking, such as the glut of recipes that require entirely too many rare mats, and over half of JC master writs being garbage, but thematically I'm fine with it. Clearly you disagree, and that's fine. But no, it's not some sort of elitism on my part.

I'm just trying to figure out why would anyone defend it. why are some people here ok with it? if its not for personal gain or elitism then why? why defend something being inaccessible to this degree? especially when thematically, jewelry, especially purple jewelry is not particularly rare compared to other types of gear? when thematically this is the ONLY crafting profession functioning this way... why exactly?

the trivializing of professions is complaint that has been brought up in this thread multiple times and I guess I could have made it clearer that I was replying to more then one person in my post - your specific reply is the first sentence about platings, the rest of it is to the another person's reply above mine that you quoted.
but I digress, back to the point - somehow materials not being only limited to a few zones - trivializes crafting or something like that? never mind that the only thing that genuinely trivializes crafting is being to throw money at research to speed it up. which is why I keep thinking elitism, since not everyone can afford to. most - cannot.

platings are a problem. whether we are talking about crafting jewelry (which especially in green and blue form is extremely accessible when it comes to dropped jewelry, so making crafted versions difficult - makes no sense, thematic or otherwise), or furniture - platings. are. a problem. they are a problem when it comes to purple recipes. they are a problem when it comes to green and blue ones. why is high elf green quality goblet is 5 times less painful then another high elf green quality goblet? they are both green quality goblets, they are both ostensibly altmeri design, its just one has "alinor" next to the name. same goes for blue goblets. why? what is a thematic reason for the difference?

Oberstein · October 2018

Jewelry crafting feels fine. Nothing comes free, pay with gold or pay with your time.