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The return of the shield spam 2x shields is max health shield 👍
bulcke10
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They buffed the shields to 50% of youre max health 👍(only hardened ward and dampen magic)
If youre have in pvp 20k health and you have ( hardened or dampen) as a dmg shield you gain 10k shield 👍 not 5k because battle spirrit changes 😉 plus the résistance bonus its gonna be better then before 😀 ps run full inpen as a shield stackker now
If youre have in pvp 20k health and you have ( hardened or dampen) as a dmg shield you gain 10k shield 👍 not 5k because battle spirrit changes 😉 plus the résistance bonus its gonna be better then before 😀 ps run full inpen as a shield stackker now
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olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They buffed the shields to 50% of youre max health 👍(only hardened ward and dampen magic)
If youre have in pvp 20k health and you have ( hardened or dampen) as a dmg shield you gain 10k shield 👍 not 5k because battle spirrit changes 😉 plus the résistance bonus its gonna be better then before 😀 ps run full inpen as a shield stackker now
Yea its not bad at all imo, sure to be abit more tanky you might loose some dmg, but atleast you wont be as squishy as first tought.
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Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So instead of 30k shields with 100% crit immunity sorcs that are stacking max magicka while having low (18-20k) health and low resistances will now have 18-20k shields that can take crit dmg , enchantments dmg plus posions and status effects applied ? Definietly a buff !
Please stop using this percentage values argument and focus on numeric values maybe ?
Edited by Juhasow on October 8, 2018 7:37PM25 -
Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It's still a nerf, but it's a nerf I can easily deal with, versus the previous class-gutting attempt in PTS-1.
I'll take it.15 -
JamieAubrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'll just use Max Health health sets and get a bigger shield at the cost of 0 magic2 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I still don’t understand why Battle Spirit has been removed from shields. This latest patch makes them usable in PVP, but they are still very weak in PVE (where max health is 5k lower and incoming damage is not reduced by 50%).2 -
Karm1cOne✭✭✭✭✭Battle spirit is still applied, and exactly the same as on live. On pts it was applying incorrectly, as was explained in the last patch notes.3 -
Donny_Vito✭✭✭✭✭
✭So instead of 30k shields with 100% crit immunity sorcs that are stacking max magicka while having low (18-20k) health and resistances will now have 18-20k shield that can take crit dmg ? Definietly a buff !
Please stop using this percentage values argument and focus on numeric values maybe ?
How are you getting 18-20k shields? Per the PTS notes Your Spell and Physical Resistance now reduces incoming damage before it is applied to your damage shield. So if you have 20k health, your shield will be 10k. Where are you getting the other 10k from?1 -
Syiccal✭✭✭✭✭
✭JamieAubrey wrote: »I'll just use Max Health health sets and get a bigger shield at the cost of 0 magic
no because in order to increase the shield strength you need max magika which is what shields scale from so by increasing health you will raise the cap yes but you won't have the sheild size to hit it any way if you drop magika2 -
Apherius✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lol what is happening here ?- Health doesn't increase the shield strength, if you have 20K health ( and use hardened) you will get a health based cap equal to 10K, then you need 41K5 magicka if you want to reach this max shield strength.
- They did not removed battle spirit from shield, it does not reduce the health-based cap but still reduce the shield strenght
ex: 20K health + 40K magicka + battle spirit + hardened = 10K health based cap + ( 40000*0,48 = 19200)/2 = 9600.
Please stop with this non senseEdited by Apherius on October 8, 2018 6:50PM13 -
Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭JamieAubrey wrote: »I'll just use Max Health health sets and get a bigger shield at the cost of 0 magic
no because in order to increase the shield strength you need max magika which is what shields scale from so by increasing health you will raise the cap yes but you won't have the sheild size to hit it any way if you drop magika
I can already sit at 38k magicka and 35k health inside Cyrodiil on live. You can reasonably scale that health back now, and still have plenty of raw stats left over to go around. (And that's without having a max magicka providing set.)Edited by Judas Helviaryn on October 8, 2018 6:49PM0 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Donny_Vito wrote: »So instead of 30k shields with 100% crit immunity sorcs that are stacking max magicka while having low (18-20k) health and resistances will now have 18-20k shield that can take crit dmg ? Definietly a buff !
Please stop using this percentage values argument and focus on numeric values maybe ?
How are you getting 18-20k shields? Per the PTS notes Your Spell and Physical Resistance now reduces incoming damage before it is applied to your damage shield. So if you have 20k health, your shield will be 10k. Where are you getting the other 10k from?
From the second shield ? Because this thread is about shieldstacking ?
Is there facepalm button on this forum ?...
Edited by Juhasow on October 8, 2018 6:57PM5 -
Donny_Vito✭✭✭✭✭
✭Donny_Vito wrote: »So instead of 30k shields with 100% crit immunity sorcs that are stacking max magicka while having low (18-20k) health and resistances will now have 18-20k shield that can take crit dmg ? Definietly a buff !
Please stop using this percentage values argument and focus on numeric values maybe ?
How are you getting 18-20k shields? Per the PTS notes Your Spell and Physical Resistance now reduces incoming damage before it is applied to your damage shield. So if you have 20k health, your shield will be 10k. Where are you getting the other 10k from?
From the second shield ? Because this thread is about shieldstacking ?
Is there facepalm button on this forum ?...
Oh, I was going off your singular version of the word "shield." Grammar helps.1 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sorcs cried so much they reverted a huge shield nerf to a buff
Maybe... maybe we should all cry like sorcs next major update ? To change major nerf in to a major buff ?
But seriously.... this is exactly what happened. Shields will be so powerful now that I don't think even crit dmg will help much.
I was really hoping that sets like Shield Breaker wont be a necessary to fight against shield stacking... but looking at those changes.. well... maybe I am wrong.. time will tell.
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Donny_Vito✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Sorcs cried so much they reverted a huge shield nerf to a buff
Maybe... maybe we should all cry like sorcs next major update ? To change major nerf in to a major buff ?
But seriously.... this is exactly what happened. Shields will be so powerful now that I don't think even crit dmg will help much.
I was really hoping that sets like Shield Breaker wont be a necessary to fight against shield stacking... but looking at those changes.. well... maybe I am wrong.. time will tell.
Shields (whether stacked or not) will be less than what they once were. And now they can be critted, too. The problem is that ZOS has now increased this "Go heavy armor or go home" mentality, so you're going to see Sorcs forced into using HA in hopes to have Spell/Phys resistance make up for that loss of shields.5 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sorcs cried so much they reverted a huge shield nerf to a buff
Actually, sorcs explained to some rather clueless devs why this would have destroyed a specific class in PVP, as only one class is completely dependent on shields to stay alive. Their nerf was not aimed at sorcs, it was aimed at magic classes in PVE. This was openly stated. They wanted healers to feel more useful. The problem with the sledgehammer approach to balance, is you often hit things you werent intending to hit.
Calling this a buff on the other hand is a stretch. Sorcs are going to have to devote resources to increase their resistance to have shields function as they do on live. Perhaps that tradeoff is justified, but it still comes to a nerf for most builds. Heavy armor sorcs cant stack shields, so at a minimum, a light armor sorc just lost a bar spot from last patch because boundless storm is now a must. They also certainly need to change their CP defense passives around. Everything is a tradeoff. The last thing to point out is that really the only way to sustain a sheild stack is with harness magic, so at best you are at 90% of max health. That number alone is an ever so slight reduction in raw shield strength for most setups, but admittedly not much of one. The fact that shields can now be crit on the other hand, is a game changer.
Shield stacking wasnt OP before, and it's not going to be after. It is still going to be strong 1v1, and laughable 2v1. Its still the most expensive and least efficient way to mitigate damage in this game in PVP. Sorcs are still getting a net nerf overall in PVP, and they are bottom to middle tier at best on the power spectrum these days.25 -
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✭✭Don’t they still have a 1s cast time? Seems like two wasted GCDs to shield stack.0 -
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✭perfectly fine what they did to shields, people still crying about sorcs in 2018 but dont realize that magblade has everything sorc has plus some extra utility, burst and overall damage passives.3 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Sorcs cried so much they reverted a huge shield nerf to a buff
Maybe... maybe we should all cry like sorcs next major update ? To change major nerf in to a major buff ?
But seriously.... this is exactly what happened. Shields will be so powerful now that I don't think even crit dmg will help much.
I was really hoping that sets like Shield Breaker wont be a necessary to fight against shield stacking... but looking at those changes.. well... maybe I am wrong.. time will tell.
How about get real ? For the record currenlty on live sorc with 20k health and 50k magicka could get 15k hardened ward and dampen magic in PvPDonny_Vito wrote: »Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Sorcs cried so much they reverted a huge shield nerf to a buff
Maybe... maybe we should all cry like sorcs next major update ? To change major nerf in to a major buff ?
But seriously.... this is exactly what happened. Shields will be so powerful now that I don't think even crit dmg will help much.
I was really hoping that sets like Shield Breaker wont be a necessary to fight against shield stacking... but looking at those changes.. well... maybe I am wrong.. time will tell.
Shields (whether stacked or not) will be less than what they once were. And now they can be critted, too. The problem is that ZOS has now increased this "Go heavy armor or go home" mentality, so you're going to see Sorcs forced into using HA in hopes to have Spell/Phys resistance make up for that loss of shields.
Actually You can get over 30k spell+phys resistance in light armor. Proff from PTS
Edited by Juhasow on October 8, 2018 9:18PM2 -
anatole1234✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Sorcs cried so much they reverted a huge shield nerf to a buff
Maybe... maybe we should all cry like sorcs next major update ? To change major nerf in to a major buff ?
But seriously.... this is exactly what happened. Shields will be so powerful now that I don't think even crit dmg will help much.
I was really hoping that sets like Shield Breaker wont be a necessary to fight against shield stacking... but looking at those changes.. well... maybe I am wrong.. time will tell.
How about get real ? For the record currenlty on live sorc with 20k health and 50k magicka could get 15k hardened ward and dampen magic in PvPDonny_Vito wrote: »Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Sorcs cried so much they reverted a huge shield nerf to a buff
Maybe... maybe we should all cry like sorcs next major update ? To change major nerf in to a major buff ?
But seriously.... this is exactly what happened. Shields will be so powerful now that I don't think even crit dmg will help much.
I was really hoping that sets like Shield Breaker wont be a necessary to fight against shield stacking... but looking at those changes.. well... maybe I am wrong.. time will tell.
Shields (whether stacked or not) will be less than what they once were. And now they can be critted, too. The problem is that ZOS has now increased this "Go heavy armor or go home" mentality, so you're going to see Sorcs forced into using HA in hopes to have Spell/Phys resistance make up for that loss of shields.
Actually You can get over 30k spell+phys resistance in light armor. Proff from PTS
Looks like emperor buffs to me ...7 -
ResTandRespeC✭✭✭✭Man gotta love all the misinformed people thinking sorcs got a buff lol. Sorcs were trash, are trash and are continuing to be trash. If they actually got a buff or rework it would be badly needed.8
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Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭anatole1234 wrote: »Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Sorcs cried so much they reverted a huge shield nerf to a buff
Maybe... maybe we should all cry like sorcs next major update ? To change major nerf in to a major buff ?
But seriously.... this is exactly what happened. Shields will be so powerful now that I don't think even crit dmg will help much.
I was really hoping that sets like Shield Breaker wont be a necessary to fight against shield stacking... but looking at those changes.. well... maybe I am wrong.. time will tell.
How about get real ? For the record currenlty on live sorc with 20k health and 50k magicka could get 15k hardened ward and dampen magic in PvPDonny_Vito wrote: »Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Sorcs cried so much they reverted a huge shield nerf to a buff
Maybe... maybe we should all cry like sorcs next major update ? To change major nerf in to a major buff ?
But seriously.... this is exactly what happened. Shields will be so powerful now that I don't think even crit dmg will help much.
I was really hoping that sets like Shield Breaker wont be a necessary to fight against shield stacking... but looking at those changes.. well... maybe I am wrong.. time will tell.
Shields (whether stacked or not) will be less than what they once were. And now they can be critted, too. The problem is that ZOS has now increased this "Go heavy armor or go home" mentality, so you're going to see Sorcs forced into using HA in hopes to have Spell/Phys resistance make up for that loss of shields.
Actually You can get over 30k spell+phys resistance in light armor. Proff from PTS
Looks like emperor buffs to me ...
Do You even know what emperor buffs give ? Here is the emperor leaderboard from PTS for those who think those emperor speculations are not a meme
Edited by Juhasow on October 9, 2018 4:24AM0 -
Troneon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Sorcs buffed, templars nerfed again.
Sound same as every other patch then? PC EU ADMaster Crafter - Anything you need!!High Elf Magicka Templar Healer/DPS/TankTrials / Dungeons / PVP / Everything1 -
Drummerx04✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Sorcs cried so much they reverted a huge shield nerf to a buff
Maybe... maybe we should all cry like sorcs next major update ? To change major nerf in to a major buff ?
But seriously.... this is exactly what happened. Shields will be so powerful now that I don't think even crit dmg will help much.
I was really hoping that sets like Shield Breaker wont be a necessary to fight against shield stacking... but looking at those changes.. well... maybe I am wrong.. time will tell.
How about get real ? For the record currenlty on live sorc with 20k health and 50k magicka could get 15k hardened ward and dampen magic in PvPDonny_Vito wrote: »Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Sorcs cried so much they reverted a huge shield nerf to a buff
Maybe... maybe we should all cry like sorcs next major update ? To change major nerf in to a major buff ?
But seriously.... this is exactly what happened. Shields will be so powerful now that I don't think even crit dmg will help much.
I was really hoping that sets like Shield Breaker wont be a necessary to fight against shield stacking... but looking at those changes.. well... maybe I am wrong.. time will tell.
Shields (whether stacked or not) will be less than what they once were. And now they can be critted, too. The problem is that ZOS has now increased this "Go heavy armor or go home" mentality, so you're going to see Sorcs forced into using HA in hopes to have Spell/Phys resistance make up for that loss of shields.
Actually You can get over 30k spell+phys resistance in light armor. Proff from PTS
Post the build or I don't believe you. Light armor with tank level resists, 31k health, and 18k stamina... dps levels of mag recovery, max mag, and spell damage (and decent stam recovery too, because why not)?
My best guess without breaking out the calculator is shackle+(whatever that new magicka bone pirate is)+2 1 piece resistance monster pieces, and all tri stat enchants... but something just seems off.Edited by Drummerx04 on October 9, 2018 12:14AMPC/NA - Nightfighters, Raid Leader and Officer
Lilith Arujo - DC sorc tank/dps/healer - Dro-m'Athra Destroyer, Gryphon Heart, Grand Warlord
Lilith Tortorici - DC templar trials healer
Notable Completions:
vAS (72k), vMoL HM (160k), vAA HM (135k), vHRC HM, vSO HM (141k), vHoF HM (168k), vCR+3(129k), vDSA 45k, vMA 591k
Original Addons:
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Bot Scanner 2000
Lilith's Command History
Maintained Addons:
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Peekachu99✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Drummerx04 wrote: »Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Sorcs cried so much they reverted a huge shield nerf to a buff
Maybe... maybe we should all cry like sorcs next major update ? To change major nerf in to a major buff ?
But seriously.... this is exactly what happened. Shields will be so powerful now that I don't think even crit dmg will help much.
I was really hoping that sets like Shield Breaker wont be a necessary to fight against shield stacking... but looking at those changes.. well... maybe I am wrong.. time will tell.
How about get real ? For the record currenlty on live sorc with 20k health and 50k magicka could get 15k hardened ward and dampen magic in PvPDonny_Vito wrote: »Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Sorcs cried so much they reverted a huge shield nerf to a buff
Maybe... maybe we should all cry like sorcs next major update ? To change major nerf in to a major buff ?
But seriously.... this is exactly what happened. Shields will be so powerful now that I don't think even crit dmg will help much.
I was really hoping that sets like Shield Breaker wont be a necessary to fight against shield stacking... but looking at those changes.. well... maybe I am wrong.. time will tell.
Shields (whether stacked or not) will be less than what they once were. And now they can be critted, too. The problem is that ZOS has now increased this "Go heavy armor or go home" mentality, so you're going to see Sorcs forced into using HA in hopes to have Spell/Phys resistance make up for that loss of shields.
Actually You can get over 30k spell+phys resistance in light armor. Proff from PTS
Post the build or I don't believe you. Light armor with tank level resists, 31k health, and 18k stamina... dps levels of mag recovery, max mag, and spell damage (and decent stam recovery too, because why not)?
My best guess without breaking out the calculator is shackle+(whatever that new magicka bone pirate is)+2 1 piece resistance monster pieces, and all tri stat enchants... but something just seems off.
You’re forgetting about fortified brass. Currenly, on live, I can get my warden in full light without Chudan or anything at 36K magic resist, 32 physical. That won’t change in Murkmire. Oh, then just add Shacklebreaker and/ or Necropotence.Edited by Peekachu99 on October 9, 2018 12:17AM1 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Drummerx04 wrote: »Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Sorcs cried so much they reverted a huge shield nerf to a buff
Maybe... maybe we should all cry like sorcs next major update ? To change major nerf in to a major buff ?
But seriously.... this is exactly what happened. Shields will be so powerful now that I don't think even crit dmg will help much.
I was really hoping that sets like Shield Breaker wont be a necessary to fight against shield stacking... but looking at those changes.. well... maybe I am wrong.. time will tell.
How about get real ? For the record currenlty on live sorc with 20k health and 50k magicka could get 15k hardened ward and dampen magic in PvPDonny_Vito wrote: »Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Sorcs cried so much they reverted a huge shield nerf to a buff
Maybe... maybe we should all cry like sorcs next major update ? To change major nerf in to a major buff ?
But seriously.... this is exactly what happened. Shields will be so powerful now that I don't think even crit dmg will help much.
I was really hoping that sets like Shield Breaker wont be a necessary to fight against shield stacking... but looking at those changes.. well... maybe I am wrong.. time will tell.
Shields (whether stacked or not) will be less than what they once were. And now they can be critted, too. The problem is that ZOS has now increased this "Go heavy armor or go home" mentality, so you're going to see Sorcs forced into using HA in hopes to have Spell/Phys resistance make up for that loss of shields.
Actually You can get over 30k spell+phys resistance in light armor. Proff from PTS
Post the build or I don't believe you. Light armor with tank level resists, 31k health, and 18k stamina... dps levels of mag recovery, max mag, and spell damage (and decent stam recovery too, because why not)?
My best guess without breaking out the calculator is shackle+(whatever that new magicka bone pirate is)+2 1 piece resistance monster pieces, and all tri stat enchants... but something just seems off.
Umm no. Also funny side note I actually forgot put 1 enchantment into jewelery so You can add 200 mag regen or spell dmg on top of that stats.0 -
Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Drummerx04 wrote: »Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Sorcs cried so much they reverted a huge shield nerf to a buff
Maybe... maybe we should all cry like sorcs next major update ? To change major nerf in to a major buff ?
But seriously.... this is exactly what happened. Shields will be so powerful now that I don't think even crit dmg will help much.
I was really hoping that sets like Shield Breaker wont be a necessary to fight against shield stacking... but looking at those changes.. well... maybe I am wrong.. time will tell.
How about get real ? For the record currenlty on live sorc with 20k health and 50k magicka could get 15k hardened ward and dampen magic in PvPDonny_Vito wrote: »Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Sorcs cried so much they reverted a huge shield nerf to a buff
Maybe... maybe we should all cry like sorcs next major update ? To change major nerf in to a major buff ?
But seriously.... this is exactly what happened. Shields will be so powerful now that I don't think even crit dmg will help much.
I was really hoping that sets like Shield Breaker wont be a necessary to fight against shield stacking... but looking at those changes.. well... maybe I am wrong.. time will tell.
Shields (whether stacked or not) will be less than what they once were. And now they can be critted, too. The problem is that ZOS has now increased this "Go heavy armor or go home" mentality, so you're going to see Sorcs forced into using HA in hopes to have Spell/Phys resistance make up for that loss of shields.
Actually You can get over 30k spell+phys resistance in light armor. Proff from PTS
Post the build or I don't believe you. Light armor with tank level resists, 31k health, and 18k stamina... dps levels of mag recovery, max mag, and spell damage (and decent stam recovery too, because why not)?
My best guess without breaking out the calculator is shackle+(whatever that new magicka bone pirate is)+2 1 piece resistance monster pieces, and all tri stat enchants... but something just seems off.
Lol.. Just mocked up something close to what he has on a calculator.
It's doable, Warlock.0
