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Lumsdenml · October 2018

Adenoma wrote: »

The important thing is that we’re all friends.

Are we going to hug it out?

Marcus684 · October 2018

Mjollo wrote: »

WE HAVE YOU SURROUNDED. COME OUT WITH YOUR HANDS UP.

In my experience, this is the sort of thing players do when they’re not being challenged anymore. A few weeks ago, DC decided to knock down every wall at Arrius because there were so few opposing players on, they were getting bored with PvDoor. That was the point that I took a break from Kyne and dusted off my stamDK for some Vivec time. I’d rather PvP with lag than PvDoor with perfect game performance.

Just_call_me_Cola · October 2018

i personally would rather drop 100k AP for a funny screenshot than play in vivec. hehe

to each his own.

kit_sune · October 2018

Marcus684 wrote: »

In my experience, this is the sort of thing players do when they’re not being challenged anymore. A few weeks ago, DC decided to knock down every wall at Arrius because there were so few opposing players on, they were getting bored with PvDoor. That was the point that I took a break from Kyne and dusted off my stamDK for some Vivec time. I’d rather PvP with lag than PvDoor with perfect game performance.

This is one of the cases where assumptions really make someone look like an assassin(without the assin portion of the word) this wasn't PvDoor. but I'm laughing almost as much reading this as I did when it happened so ty! Unless what you're getting at is that D.C. are a bunch of bots so at that point I guess you're right about us PvDoor'ing

anamenobodyelsehas · October 2018

Stridig wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

I just got put on ignore by someone from DC... I think that is the 2nd person who put me on ignore in almost 4 years....

You must have been right about something. That's a sure way to be ignored.

Mjollo · October 2018

@Marcus684 being challenged or not has nothing to do with it. i do the same kind of stuff in every campaign or game i play. it's called messing around and enjoying myself. If DC has a huge zerg waiting for us in Warden, you darn well know i'm going to do everything i can to show them just how "intimidated" i am. Wasting 100k ap has nothing to do with boredom. I'm just a funny boy.

An_An · October 2018

Adenoma wrote: »

Honestly, my problem in Kyne is not overturned players who are trying to play solo/duo/trio. It's when people are together in groups of 8-9 of competent, overgeared played. Frankly, my guild should not be able to require siege equal to group pop and a full raid to root out of a tower. It's unfair to new players for us to do that. Barring last night I haven't run a group or run with a group that size in probably six months to a year and I would welcome any correction on that. The largest I've run otherwise has just been three today.

When people run in large groups of experienced players that's when I feel like they're really just there to beat up on new players. I have friends who do this. I have opponents who do this. I don't begrudge their decision, but it's where I've drawn my personal line. By all means farm up meteor/dawnbreaker, level until you have rally and reverb, etc. but I don't personally really see the point or challenge of doing that in a group or guild. That said, there are definitely social factors that play into this and I don't begrudge those either.

I'm going to leave this beautiful comment by @Adenoma here for people to see in context of the current environment in Kyne.

Adenoma · October 2018

Crap, I notice a few typos pretty quickly.

kit_sune · October 2018

@An_An

That's explains why at least 30% of D.C. Have tried to reverb me and dawnbreaker me mid rememberance. Like, I get it, I'm flattered but it's just sad.

An_An · October 2018

The grinding for skills part is universal on all factions and is present across player skill levels and level of experience. It’s not necessary that someone using higher level skills is a skilled player. But stacked together I can see how that is a problem. A separate problem though.

I believe the emphasis here was on the overall skills / experience of players. When I personally find a stack of players who can all kill me in a 1v1, I certainly have no motivation to fight them. Of course, I too have been guilty of these transgressions at some point in the near past (but I promise that I am trying to reduce them by moving to Vet campaigns and giving myself some alone time on Kyne to go around and find fights).

What is the in-game mechanism to balance skilled players grouping together? Try to make your group as big as possible and outnumber them so that you kill more as they kill you. However, in times of unequal populations, this becomes a big challenge; especially if skill is skewed towards population. In my opinion, this issue affects AD the most right now. Their numbers have gone down considerably; and AD having a healthy and above-healthy population is vital to get any balance in Kyne.

Of course one can never truly balance these things out and there will always be imbalances in skill/experience. Nothing to be done. But if we are aware of it we can try and reduce it (as I know some people are actively trying to do).

Mjollo · October 2018

The only people who have whispered me this past week about being a "vet player killing noobs" are people that ive seen in this campaign for at least a year. The real irony about that is how my group made the quickest decision to grind toons to level 10 in 20 minutes without skyshard hunting or anything else and these people are dropping meteors and dawnbreakers in my face.

The argument that a non- vet campaign has more "noobs" than a vet one has been under scrutiny for years but believe me when i tell you it's the same. I do not think it makes sense to blame any specific group of people for "wrecking noobs" in Kyne. You all know very well that half the population are experienced and/or vet players.

MajBludd · October 2018

This is like groundhog day

Gederic · October 2018

Groundhogs day for 4 years

Mjollo · October 2018

MajBludd wrote: »

This is like groundhog day

ya p much. its usually 447 pages of stuff that's already been repeated hundreds of times.

Just_call_me_Cola · October 2018

dawnbreaker pffft
meteor pfffffft
negate

!!!

casparian · October 2018

Mjollo wrote: »

You all know very well that half the population are experienced and/or vet players.

That may be true. But the last time I was in Kyne, even the people I ran into who are veteran Kyne regulars (even some dating back to the BWB days) were...let's say underwhelming to fight. Kyne does not force you to improve the way that vet PVP does, and it lets you get away with a lot more sloppiness than vet PVP does.

Mjollo · October 2018

casparian wrote: »

Mjollo wrote: »

You all know very well that half the population are experienced and/or vet players.

That may be true. But the last time I was in Kyne, even the people I ran into who are veteran Kyne regulars (even some dating back to the BWB days) were...let's say underwhelming to fight. Kyne does not force you to improve the way that vet PVP does, and it lets you get away with a lot more sloppiness than vet PVP does.

I agree, though, it comes from both sides of the fight. i haven't been bashed in so long that i forgot radiant oppression is interrupt-able. But when we say "vet pvp", I'd like to exclude Vivec. What you learn there is that numbers beat skill and it ends up being faction-stacking to victory unless your computer dies first. Or even worse; zergballing. The idea of sitting on top of crown as tightly as possible to spam one ability while moving in a close unit is unwelcoming to me and sounds like sheer boredom.
Also, I might add that when someone grinds for skills like meteor or dawnbreaker to use in a non-vet campaign it means they do so with the intentions to have an advantage on most people. So when they complain about someone else being "more powerful" than them, it's just a bigger-fish-in-the-pond scenario.

Gederic · October 2018

Ahah no. For the large majority of veteran players you do not learn to improve, you learn to bring more people. The notion that veteran and personal skill have any correlation is laughable. In fact as Vivec currently is the average player gets away with incredibly sloppy play. You are not an individual player, you are another body to throw at a keep.
In fact because Kyne is slower paced and smaller fights in comparison it allows for greater learning. Not necessarily emulating but at least learning from challenging fights.

Call it campaign capitalism @Just_call_me_Cola see what I did there. Competition forces improvement. And from what I’m hearing some folks have had a perceived monopoly for too long and are upset that it’s been busted.

It would seem dawnbreaker and meteor are not effective ways of improving ones gameplay. And I’m sorry if you ground for those skills you are not a new player, you might be a scrub but you aren’t new. And you clearly came in with the intentions of beating up noobs. And now you’re upset you aren’t rolling everyone anymore. Play the way you want but do not bust my balls on the forum because I laughed off your dawnbreaker in my basic b hundings rage.

AD found a way to roll us for two hours as can be seen in my whiny response to Valen. Everyone else is capable of doing it too.

Just_call_me_Cola · October 2018

casparian wrote: »

Mjollo wrote: »

You all know very well that half the population are experienced and/or vet players.

That may be true. But the last time I was in Kyne, even the people I ran into who are veteran Kyne regulars (even some dating back to the BWB days) were...let's say underwhelming to fight. Kyne does not force you to improve the way that vet PVP does, and it lets you get away with a lot more sloppiness than vet PVP does.

What I like about non-vet is that you have to choose your leveling build in addition to gear build. In vet you pick and swap your skills when you want, your vet it doesn't matter you have it all. But in non vet you don't get to be a mag sorc with mines + hardenedward + streak. You get one of those "end game" skills maybe two if you level right. I think it allows for some more unique builds and styles.

I guess vet forces you to improve by having you deal with more skills and unlocks people will have? Idk my little experience of vet has been stack and attack. Hardly any room for anything different

kit_sune · October 2018

You know where I got better as a pvp'r? Kyne. I learned my weakness bashing my head against a group of D.C. who only ran wardens and permafrost. I learned by myself my own playstyle and then I went to vet. Vet offered me nothing apart from having to worry about losing stats. Blackwater Blade had some of the best players who've moved on but even they can tell you that vet is zerg v zerg.

You get better by playing by yourself but so many people in kyne don't do that, I see warden with dawnbreaker spamming birds that do offer much against anyone who know what they are doing. A lot people in both lowbie and vet don't consider what makes a good player cause there's no need for it. People in kyne are running time stop which shows very clearly that the same sloppy/bad plays are here. 4 of us fought a group of twenty and won. It's purely because we know what and who to focus.

My healer has collected six skyshards since I made him and he's level 39. I know how to stay alive as a healer cause I know my build and I do my best to understand mechanics. This all came from playing in kyne. Most healers in kyne can't stay alive for 10 seconds alone cause they never need to. I have confidence in our group because a lot of us are good outside of a group. We aren't wasting our here, we're genuinely having fun and fighting well. All this complaining about us shows ya have git good issues.

DeadlyRecluse · October 2018

kit_sune wrote: »

All this complaining about us shows ya have git good issues.

Literally anyone still playing in Kyne after vetting 2-3 characters has git gud issues.

This game is just not that complicated.

An_An · October 2018

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

kit_sune wrote: »

All this complaining about us shows ya have git good issues.

Literally anyone still playing in Kyne after vetting 2-3 characters has git gud issues.

This game is just not that complicated.

Literally anyone judging their worth by their skill in ESO has git gud issues.

This game is not that important.

TipsyDrow · October 2018

kit_sune wrote: »

@An_An

That's explains why at least 30% of D.C. Have tried to reverb me and dawnbreaker me mid rememberance. Like, I get it, I'm flattered but it's just sad.

Reverbing you mid rememberance is fine, it's a defile so will limit your healing. No point in dawnbreaking during though.
Meteor in Kyne is easily negated with a block. To address other statements about leaving kyne or staying or being a noob or getting better or not by going to vet is all perception. people play where they want. I play in both. The only way to get better is by playing, practice, being in every kind of situation possible, solo, small group AND large group, by facing every kind of build possible and then either figuring out the counter or finding the answer elsewhere. As an example, if you find a certain player always has major expedition up and just runs away from your damage, craft or find someone to craft speed/immovable pots and lvl up alchemy to put points in medicinal use so you can keep up with said player. There is an answer or counter to almost every situation and or skill. Some builds simply hard counter others, it is what it is in that instance.

Beaverton · October 2018

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

kit_sune wrote: »

All this complaining about us shows ya have git good issues.

Literally anyone still playing in Kyne after vetting 2-3 characters has git gud issues.

This game is just not that complicated.

2-3 of the same character or are we allowed to try out all of the classes in stam and mag? Just curious what the standard is.

Beaverton · October 2018

PS From my little experience in vet it seems like there are at least as many crappy players as there are in kyne but more good players as well. Not many in the middle. Hard to find good, small fights to learn from and transition from category one to category two.

MajBludd · October 2018

Vet in a nutshell for me. I've been getting my gear ready to make the move to vet. Warden almost vetted out.

Guess what, they are nerfing aspects of my build. That's the biggest issue for me is, it takes all that time to farm that crap and transmute it to have it all be a big waste of time and resources.
Resources I could have used elsewhere and had fun in the process.

Good small fights are hard to find anywhere now to learn from. There doesn't seem to be any dueling guilds around anymore.
I could be wrong, but that's where I learned and from the regulars beating my head in daily.
Too bad those guys are long gone or don't play much anymore.

Also, @TipsyDrow, I enjoyed the fights!

Enipfodnuos · October 2018

I'm loathe to post on the forums again, not for any particular reason, except that the forums are a black hole of despair generally. but here goes... as a dc player who left for a long time (in residency for a year) and has returned in the last maybe 3 months, I was surprised to find us winning all the time. It kind of annoyed me tbh. Now we are getting rolled, two of our main guilds have jumped ship, it's rough in there. Thats fine, currently when the fights are even its fun. I am pissed you EP *** got away with the scroll at bleakest Monday night but whatever. @littlemissmaia we shared some duels, I bagged you, you bagged me, hope there's no hard feelings, I inflate and deflate rapidly. My only gripe is this - ever since this discussion started ages ago, the DC hate has been so real. Everything said about DC could be said about every other faction Now, in the past, always. YOU'RE HURTING MY FEELINGS!!! please consider that. Peace. 👌

Just_call_me_Cola · October 2018

Beaverton wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

kit_sune wrote: »

All this complaining about us shows ya have git good issues.

Literally anyone still playing in Kyne after vetting 2-3 characters has git gud issues.

This game is just not that complicated.

2-3 of the same character or are we allowed to try out all of the classes in stam and mag? Just curious what the standard is.

Dont worry about Deadly's standards, hes just a cranky retiree. Just play the game....or dont im not your supervisor

"I'm not responsible for your fun" -Cranky dood, 2 days from retirement.

Lumsdenml · October 2018

I hate all DC... does that make me a bad person?

littlemissmaia · October 2018

@Enipfodnuos who r u