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4-man arena via Dungeon Finder

ad4mss
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Hi,

I'm curious if we as players would like to have possibility to queue for Dragonstar Arena or new coming Blackrose Prison arena?
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4-man arena via Dungeon Finder 278 votes

Yes, that would be nice to have
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No, it's useless
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  • Jameliel
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    The weirdos who don't want it simply don't have to use. ESO is full of nut cases.
  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    Yes, but I really do think they need to have some sort of threshold for players to queue, especially for support roles. My concern would be an endless string of group failures, which turn to forum rage leading to unjustified nerfs of the content.
  • PhantomOcelot
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    I don't think that DSA is harder then the new dlc dungeons. And those are in group finder. So why not.
    Edited by PhantomOcelot on October 3, 2018 5:49PM
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  • El_Borracho
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    I would like this, as well as a dungeon-finder system for trials. I already run with several guilds, but that doesn't mean they are always available to do what I want to do on my schedule. Would be nice to have the option
  • Fischblut
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    It's really not fun to waste lot of time asking in zones for DSA group :| I would rather get any group and see if we can complete it. I did almost all my DLC dungeons runs via group finder, so nothing scares me :)
  • weedgenius
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    Yes!!!! Why is this not a thing already? A lot of people doing DSA right now for example are just pulling randoms from zone/guild chat as is... why not just add it to a group finder?

    They're hyping up this new 4 man arena for Murkmire and my first thought was "Yay can't wait to try it!" but then I realized I'm going to have to actively find three people to do it with... I can't just jump in and try it the way I would with a new dungeon. So dumb.
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  • Donny_Vito
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    I said yes, but one of my fears is that when Murkmire releases everybody (low CP or max CP) will want to do the new arena, and that means you'd get a bunch of potentially inexperience players wanting to do the Blackrose Prison via Group Finder. That may sound elitist of me, but I'd rather them only have Dragonstar Arena for the time-being, and then eventually roll out Blackrose Prison later on once people have had a chance to do it and then you can have experienced players teaching those newbies in GF.
  • craftycarper73
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    But only normal version,vet would be fail after fail with the odd success story..
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  • eso_nya
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    Yes and no. I prefer clicking a "find grp" button over talking to humans. but than, given the awesome ppl grpfinder throws in my way, i'd prolly never use it for arenas.
  • Juhasow
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    Only for normal modes.
  • ad4mss
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    Great feedback, thank you all. Keep it going so perhaps we could share this to ZOS with direct way as a feedback ticket or so.
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  • Ihatenightblades
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    No, it's useless
    Yes, but I really do think they need to have some sort of threshold for players to queue, especially for support roles. My concern would be an endless string of group failures, which turn to forum rage leading to unjustified nerfs of the content.

    This.

    Soo many scrubs make posts on forums saying a dlc dungeon is impossible for them lmao. Imagine a 4 man like vdsa but harder.. ya it would def lead to crybabies on forums asking for nerfs
  • robpr
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    I don't have opinion
    I don't personally care, but in case of them doing it, please exclude them from random.
  • josiahva
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    Donny_Vito wrote: »
    I said yes, but one of my fears is that when Murkmire releases everybody (low CP or max CP) will want to do the new arena, and that means you'd get a bunch of potentially inexperience players wanting to do the Blackrose Prison via Group Finder. That may sound elitist of me, but I'd rather them only have Dragonstar Arena for the time-being, and then eventually roll out Blackrose Prison later on once people have had a chance to do it and then you can have experienced players teaching those newbies in GF.

    Who cares? That's how people do ALL the vet DLC dungeons when they first come out....the fail the first few times, till everyone starts learning the fights, then they progress through as normal until you have a 80%+ completion rate...its fine.
  • Facefister
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    Your average random guy has issues on vSpindle1.
  • pdebie64b16_ESO
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    It is just weird that there isnt an option allready in the group finder for trials and DSA.
  • notyuu
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    if this was implmented i might actually be able to find some people to get at least one vdsa run done in my lifetime
  • Lieblingsjunge
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    No, it's useless
    Facefister wrote: »
    Your average random guy has issues on vSpindle1.

    This.

    I mean - I'm all for normal trials, normal arenas and such coming to Group Finder. But keep the veteran ones out of it. As it's gonna be a nightmare = More QQ = Nerf to content that doesn't need a nerf = lots of unhappy people.
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  • russelmmendoza
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    Please oh please for the love of all the divines and daedras, put dsa vet and norm on the dundeon finder. Its so effffffffffffffffing hard to find a dsa group and i am a member of 5 guilds dangggggggggggggggggg.
  • Donny_Vito
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    josiahva wrote: »
    Donny_Vito wrote: »
    I said yes, but one of my fears is that when Murkmire releases everybody (low CP or max CP) will want to do the new arena, and that means you'd get a bunch of potentially inexperience players wanting to do the Blackrose Prison via Group Finder. That may sound elitist of me, but I'd rather them only have Dragonstar Arena for the time-being, and then eventually roll out Blackrose Prison later on once people have had a chance to do it and then you can have experienced players teaching those newbies in GF.

    Who cares? That's how people do ALL the vet DLC dungeons when they first come out....the fail the first few times, till everyone starts learning the fights, then they progress through as normal until you have a 80%+ completion rate...its fine.

    Are you serious? You're saying that when a new dungeon comes out, ALL people use the group finder to do those dungeons on Vet? That's a completely ignorant statement. People do them with guild mates, with friends, and potentially with pre-made groups through zone chat, and as a last resort they might PUG it to no avail.
  • ad4mss
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    Facefister wrote: »
    Your average random guy has issues on vSpindle1.

    This.

    I mean - I'm all for normal trials, normal arenas and such coming to Group Finder. But keep the veteran ones out of it. As it's gonna be a nightmare = More QQ = Nerf to content that doesn't need a nerf = lots of unhappy people.

    That's true but still such feature would extend people who would start running DSA or Black Prison and who knows, maybe half of them would learn it and enjoy it enough to carry out with vDSA or Prison.

    I think adding normal trials, arenas to dungeon finder would be nice to have for start. I bet we would notice increased amount of players who will do trials or arenas more often as it will be much easier to match full team. I would suggest ZOS to put veteran mode of trials and arenas into dungeon finder a little bit later, after they would notice increased popularity of these way of doing trials/arenas.

    And as I mentioned above this could be a nice way to learn mechanics which could be a thing which would bring more experienced people to run veteran modes of these trials/arenas.

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  • DaveMoeDee
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    Donny_Vito wrote: »
    josiahva wrote: »
    Donny_Vito wrote: »
    I said yes, but one of my fears is that when Murkmire releases everybody (low CP or max CP) will want to do the new arena, and that means you'd get a bunch of potentially inexperience players wanting to do the Blackrose Prison via Group Finder. That may sound elitist of me, but I'd rather them only have Dragonstar Arena for the time-being, and then eventually roll out Blackrose Prison later on once people have had a chance to do it and then you can have experienced players teaching those newbies in GF.

    Who cares? That's how people do ALL the vet DLC dungeons when they first come out....the fail the first few times, till everyone starts learning the fights, then they progress through as normal until you have a 80%+ completion rate...its fine.

    Are you serious? You're saying that when a new dungeon comes out, ALL people use the group finder to do those dungeons on Vet? That's a completely ignorant statement. People do them with guild mates, with friends, and potentially with pre-made groups through zone chat, and as a last resort they might PUG it to no avail.

    I PUG DLC dungeons when they come up randomly or are a pledge. I've never done a DLC dungeon that wasn't pugging.
  • MrThirtyOddSix
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    Wholly support idea to expand and FIX whatever else is in dungeon finder.

    I would like to add that if they lessen amount of wait for finding groups it will help people find party faster. Moving queue faster as well!

    However, literally every group content should be included in dungeon finder since it is far easier to click a button and let system take over than wait for chat for interested people to chime in.
  • fojo82
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    Of course that would be a great feature. For those saying no pug groups blah blah blah, just don't use it if you don't like it. It changes nothing for you. But for those of us who only play with a few friends this would be great.
  • josiahva
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    Donny_Vito wrote: »
    josiahva wrote: »
    Donny_Vito wrote: »
    I said yes, but one of my fears is that when Murkmire releases everybody (low CP or max CP) will want to do the new arena, and that means you'd get a bunch of potentially inexperience players wanting to do the Blackrose Prison via Group Finder. That may sound elitist of me, but I'd rather them only have Dragonstar Arena for the time-being, and then eventually roll out Blackrose Prison later on once people have had a chance to do it and then you can have experienced players teaching those newbies in GF.

    Who cares? That's how people do ALL the vet DLC dungeons when they first come out....the fail the first few times, till everyone starts learning the fights, then they progress through as normal until you have a 80%+ completion rate...its fine.

    Are you serious? You're saying that when a new dungeon comes out, ALL people use the group finder to do those dungeons on Vet? That's a completely ignorant statement. People do them with guild mates, with friends, and potentially with pre-made groups through zone chat, and as a last resort they might PUG it to no avail.

    You are wrong. The VAST majority of people will try it first via the group finder. I know I do...it goes like this.
    1. I queue up as a tank(my favored role) and usually the 1st time the PUG doesnt make it past the 2nd or 3rd boss...no one knows the mechanics and after an hour of trying people quit.
    2. I queue up again the following day, usually by this point someone in the group has a rudimentary understanding of the mechanics through various failed pugs. We struggle with whatever boss gave us trouble and push on...we arrive at the last boss and usually fail...but try for an hour or so learning mechanics and what not.
    3. The third time I queue up I will know the mechanics of the dungeon and am able to explain them to anyone who doesnt know...we will struggle of course and it will be a long run, but we will prevail in the end.
    4. From this point on it just keeps getting smoother. There is no secret to winning in a PUG group except to keep trying, watch and learn what is happening and overcome it. You dont need friends, you dont need tutorials, you just need some situational awareness and patience. The hardest vet DLC dungeon to PUG for me was vFH...the last boss is just so dependent on DPS burn at the end as well as perfect adherence to mechanics in such a small space that its pretty unforgiving...but yes, while that one took me longer than normal, I was able to PUG it just fine.

    For wolfhunter, I was able to PUG both those no problem first try....so tell me why its impossible to pug a 4 man arena or a trial exactly? patience and situational awareness.
  • anatole1234
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    Yes, please ! I don't care if it'll be full of light weaving only scrubs.
  • ad4mss
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    fojo82 wrote: »
    Of course that would be a great feature. For those saying no pug groups blah blah blah, just don't use it if you don't like it. It changes nothing for you. But for those of us who only play with a few friends this would be great.

    Exactly, for all of you who say it's pointless to put arenas into Dungeon Finder, there is no point to respond to this topic as you perhaps never gonna use Dungeon Finder. Even if you will then question is, why you don't wanna extend it with arenas/trials?
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  • Peekachu99
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    Arenas and NORMAL Trials are long overdue for implimention into queuing. That and a proper in-game interface for making groups.
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  • ad4mss
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    Yes, that would be nice to have
    Peekachu99 wrote: »
    Arenas and NORMAL Trials are long overdue for implimention into queuing. That and a proper in-game interface for making groups.


    I have been playing some games which have more than Dungeons put into "Group Finder" tool for example, raids and there were included all kind of difficult level, let say normal and veteran in ESO language.

    There are so many pre-made groups running in ESO but sometimes they need few people more to get full group and I belive that even if few players of such group would be PUG's, the pre-made guys would easly handle the trial and so on.

    That would be very helpful for these PUG's who could learn mechanics or tactics from this experienced guys.
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