MLGProPlayer wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »What game are they even playing?
That's the problem. They aren't play testing these changes
LiquidPony wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »ruikkarikun wrote: »@Tasear thank for your help and attention! Hope they will manage how to implement shield changes without cast time.
They discussed getting rid of the cast time for sorcs only, which tells me they have absolutely no idea what they're doing (thinking rhat sorc is the only class that uses shields...).
It was already kinda obvious when Wrobel decided that shields are the reason why healers arent welcome in some dungeon groups.
I revisited that 8/16 Class Reps meeting notes thread recently. Oy vey.ZOS’s high-level goals and things actively being worked on for update 20
Harness Magicka and Conjured Ward skills are overshadowing and diminishing the role of healers
Duel Wield is an end-game PvE requirement because of the Blade Cloak skill
I try to be optimistic and give people the benefit of the doubt, but man, it's hard to do that reading those two quotes. The shield point at least is arguable (although personally I think they're way off base), the Blade Cloak point is so hopelessly misguided that it makes my head hurt. What game are they even playing?
Explains shield nerfs and evasion changes tbh
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We did have a meeting with the Class Reps yesterday afternoon, and we'll be posting the notes on the forums a little later today.
Did they tell you whether they had actually tested the shields cast time by completing all of the vet trials on HM with magicka DPS?On a side, Class reps have expressed the meeting feels like it went better this time. We talked about why some changes actually occurred. I want to say they do see your outcry but with us I hope they can hear it better
I know to some of you it might seem like we haven't had any impact, but at last we have for the better or worst. We had influences on dark exchange buff, we spoke how you guys didn't find cast time rewarding now that it split up and it felt like a netch knock off. They are considering things for Sorc shields. We are hoping they respect players deep feeling in this matter, but at last won't know how things played out to next week. I am hopeful for the future ( though overload 3 bar ) . Sorry ... should keep focused. We did our best and hope for the best.
Pretty sure there has never been a dev only clear of any vet trial since and including vMoL, let alone on HM. My guess is they might have cleared at least one of the craglorn trials in vet, but not HM, as those were pretty easy to clear by even casual players for a long time.
They really do not play their game beyond a casual manner with the exception of Gilliam but I heard via the forums this week he is no longer raiding on the NA server since he was hired.
Good to hear there was positive conversation in the class rep meeting.
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I know for sure that at least some of them do run trials and DLC dungeons on the live servers, but I don't know how many do them on vet, or whether they do HM on any of them, or whether they do that when testing balance changes.
I know for sure that at least some of them do run trials and DLC dungeons on the live servers, but I don't know how many do them on vet, or whether they do HM on any of them, or whether they do that when testing balance changes.
That's the point though. I'm not so concerned about the cast time for running regular dungeons and trials. It's the end-game PVE and PVP that's really impacted by this change, and it seems like they're using non-DLC normal dungeon PVE as their baseline on whether this change is viable.
MLGProPlayer wrote: »I know for sure that at least some of them do run trials and DLC dungeons on the live servers, but I don't know how many do them on vet, or whether they do HM on any of them, or whether they do that when testing balance changes.
That's the point though. I'm not so concerned about the cast time for running regular dungeons and trials. It's the end-game PVE and PVP that's really impacted by this change, and it seems like they're using non-DLC normal dungeon PVE as their baseline on whether this change is viable.
The whole point of the class rep system was to bring in the voices of endgame players who actually complete endgame content. And then ZOS responds by ignoring their feedback.
MLGProPlayer wrote: »I know for sure that at least some of them do run trials and DLC dungeons on the live servers, but I don't know how many do them on vet, or whether they do HM on any of them, or whether they do that when testing balance changes.
That's the point though. I'm not so concerned about the cast time for running regular dungeons and trials. It's the end-game PVE and PVP that's really impacted by this change, and it seems like they're using non-DLC normal dungeon PVE as their baseline on whether this change is viable.
The whole point of the class rep system was to bring in the voices of endgame players who actually complete endgame content. And then ZOS responds by ignoring their feedback.
If ZOS was forced to go with whatever the majority of class reps agreed on then they wouldn't be voices/reps, they'd be judges.
That's the same concern I have, and why I initially asked the question. Again, I know that some of them do trials, and at least some of that is on vet. But I have no idea if they're doing HM, or if they're testing the balance changes in vet HM trials and similar content. My guess is probably no on the question of whether they're doing that to test these balance changes, but I can't say for sure.I know for sure that at least some of them do run trials and DLC dungeons on the live servers, but I don't know how many do them on vet, or whether they do HM on any of them, or whether they do that when testing balance changes.
That's the point though. I'm not so concerned about the cast time for running regular dungeons and trials. It's the end-game PVE and PVP that's really impacted by this change, and it seems like they're using non-DLC normal dungeon PVE as their baseline on whether this change is viable.
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ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We did have a meeting with the Class Reps yesterday afternoon, and we'll be posting the notes on the forums a little later today.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We did have a meeting with the Class Reps yesterday afternoon, and we'll be posting the notes on the forums a little later today.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We did have a meeting with the Class Reps yesterday afternoon, and we'll be posting the notes on the forums a little later today.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We did have a meeting with the Class Reps yesterday afternoon, and we'll be posting the notes on the forums a little later today.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We did have a meeting with the Class Reps yesterday afternoon, and we'll be posting the notes on the forums a little later today.
7 hours later... *crickets*
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »The notes may need to wait until tomorrow. Sorry, everyone. Keep your chin up, though; we're planning to add a few additional things for everyone to chew on. We'll post them tonight if we can, otherwise expect to see them by tomorrow.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We did have a meeting with the Class Reps yesterday afternoon, and we'll be posting the notes on the forums a little later today.
7 hours later... *crickets*
Maybe they does not dare to post the repnotes...
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Keep your chin up, though; we're planning to add a few additional things for everyone to chew on.
Cast times added to all cast times.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »The notes may need to wait until tomorrow. Sorry, everyone. Keep your chin up, though; we're planning to add a few additional things for everyone to chew on. We'll post them tonight if we can, otherwise expect to see them by tomorrow.
I feel my hopes are too high
"We'll do something different than add a cast time to shields" is what I'm hoping for.
Cast times added to all cast times.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »The notes may need to wait until tomorrow. Sorry, everyone. Keep your chin up, though; we're planning to add a few additional things for everyone to chew on. We'll post them tonight if we can, otherwise expect to see them by tomorrow.
I feel my hopes are too high
"We'll do something different than add a cast time to shields" is what I'm hoping for.
Cast times added to all cast times.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »The notes may need to wait until tomorrow. Sorry, everyone. Keep your chin up, though; we're planning to add a few additional things for everyone to chew on. We'll post them tonight if we can, otherwise expect to see them by tomorrow.
I feel my hopes are too high
"We'll do something different than add a cast time to shields" is what I'm hoping for.
I don't think Gina would have phrased it that way if the "few additional things" were things that they thought we would be upset about. Maybe not things that will make people jump for joy, but probably nothing they'd expect us to be too disappointed about. I hope.Kingslayer513 wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We did have a meeting with the Class Reps yesterday afternoon, and we'll be posting the notes on the forums a little later today.
7 hours later... *crickets*
Maybe they does not dare to post the repnotes...
This is what I'm worried about.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Keep your chin up, though; we're planning to add a few additional things for everyone to chew on.
Now I'm really worried.
Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC) Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC) Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP) Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD) J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD) |
Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC) Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP) Manut Redguard Temp (AD) Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP) Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD) |
Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP) Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC) Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP) Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC) Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp |