Is Class Rep meeting today?

LiquidPony

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

What game are they even playing?

That's the problem. They aren't play testing these changes

I think it goes beyond that. What were they doing in the first place that made them come up with this stuff?

Deadly Cloak is a requirement for end game PvE? Wtf? Outside of a very few niche spots I have not slotted Deadly Cloak in PvE since last year. This is seriously a Morrowind-era observation, a year or more out of date.

Maybe next patch they'll nerf Twice-Born Star because it's a requirement in end game PvE.

Sparr0w wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

ruikkarikun wrote: »

@Tasear thank for your help and attention! Hope they will manage how to implement shield changes without cast time.

They discussed getting rid of the cast time for sorcs only, which tells me they have absolutely no idea what they're doing (thinking rhat sorc is the only class that uses shields...).

It was already kinda obvious when Wrobel decided that shields are the reason why healers arent welcome in some dungeon groups.

I revisited that 8/16 Class Reps meeting notes thread recently. Oy vey.

ZOS’s high-level goals and things actively being worked on for update 20

Harness Magicka and Conjured Ward skills are overshadowing and diminishing the role of healers

Duel Wield is an end-game PvE requirement because of the Blade Cloak skill

I try to be optimistic and give people the benefit of the doubt, but man, it's hard to do that reading those two quotes. The shield point at least is arguable (although personally I think they're way off base), the Blade Cloak point is so hopelessly misguided that it makes my head hurt. What game are they even playing?

Explains shield nerfs and evasion changes tbh

I guess. But not in a good way. It "explains" their "reasoning" but they were wrong from the start.

ezio45

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We did have a meeting with the Class Reps yesterday afternoon, and we'll be posting the notes on the forums a little later today.

nep rotes?

developer comments on nep rotes?

UrQuan

idk wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

On a side, Class reps have expressed the meeting feels like it went better this time. We talked about why some changes actually occurred. I want to say they do see your outcry but with us I hope they can hear it better

I know to some of you it might seem like we haven't had any impact, but at last we have for the better or worst. We had influences on dark exchange buff, we spoke how you guys didn't find cast time rewarding now that it split up and it felt like a netch knock off. They are considering things for Sorc shields. We are hoping they respect players deep feeling in this matter, but at last won't know how things played out to next week. I am hopeful for the future ( though overload 3 bar ) . Sorry ... should keep focused. We did our best and hope for the best.

Did they tell you whether they had actually tested the shields cast time by completing all of the vet trials on HM with magicka DPS?

Pretty sure there has never been a dev only clear of any vet trial since and including vMoL, let alone on HM. My guess is they might have cleared at least one of the craglorn trials in vet, but not HM, as those were pretty easy to clear by even casual players for a long time.

They really do not play their game beyond a casual manner with the exception of Gilliam but I heard via the forums this week he is no longer raiding on the NA server since he was hired.

Good to hear there was positive conversation in the class rep meeting.

I know for sure that at least some of them do run trials and DLC dungeons on the live servers, but I don't know how many do them on vet, or whether they do HM on any of them, or whether they do that when testing balance changes.

Sygil05

UrQuan wrote: »

I know for sure that at least some of them do run trials and DLC dungeons on the live servers, but I don't know how many do them on vet, or whether they do HM on any of them, or whether they do that when testing balance changes.

That's the point though. I'm not so concerned about the cast time for running regular dungeons and trials. It's the end-game PVE and PVP that's really impacted by this change, and it seems like they're using non-DLC normal dungeon PVE as their baseline on whether this change is viable.

MLGProPlayer

Sygil05 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

I know for sure that at least some of them do run trials and DLC dungeons on the live servers, but I don't know how many do them on vet, or whether they do HM on any of them, or whether they do that when testing balance changes.

That's the point though. I'm not so concerned about the cast time for running regular dungeons and trials. It's the end-game PVE and PVP that's really impacted by this change, and it seems like they're using non-DLC normal dungeon PVE as their baseline on whether this change is viable.

The whole point of the class rep system was to bring in the voices of endgame players who actually complete endgame content. And then ZOS responds by ignoring their feedback.

Kolache

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Sygil05 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

I know for sure that at least some of them do run trials and DLC dungeons on the live servers, but I don't know how many do them on vet, or whether they do HM on any of them, or whether they do that when testing balance changes.

That's the point though. I'm not so concerned about the cast time for running regular dungeons and trials. It's the end-game PVE and PVP that's really impacted by this change, and it seems like they're using non-DLC normal dungeon PVE as their baseline on whether this change is viable.

The whole point of the class rep system was to bring in the voices of endgame players who actually complete endgame content. And then ZOS responds by ignoring their feedback.

If ZOS was forced to go with whatever the majority of class reps agreed on then they wouldn't be voices/reps, they'd be judges.

MLGProPlayer

Kolache wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Sygil05 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

I know for sure that at least some of them do run trials and DLC dungeons on the live servers, but I don't know how many do them on vet, or whether they do HM on any of them, or whether they do that when testing balance changes.

That's the point though. I'm not so concerned about the cast time for running regular dungeons and trials. It's the end-game PVE and PVP that's really impacted by this change, and it seems like they're using non-DLC normal dungeon PVE as their baseline on whether this change is viable.

The whole point of the class rep system was to bring in the voices of endgame players who actually complete endgame content. And then ZOS responds by ignoring their feedback.

If ZOS was forced to go with whatever the majority of class reps agreed on then they wouldn't be voices/reps, they'd be judges.

In an ideal world, ZOS would be on the same page as the class reps because they would play test their changes. Unfortunately, they aren't on the same page because ZOS doesn't play their own game.

UrQuan

Sygil05 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

I know for sure that at least some of them do run trials and DLC dungeons on the live servers, but I don't know how many do them on vet, or whether they do HM on any of them, or whether they do that when testing balance changes.

That's the point though. I'm not so concerned about the cast time for running regular dungeons and trials. It's the end-game PVE and PVP that's really impacted by this change, and it seems like they're using non-DLC normal dungeon PVE as their baseline on whether this change is viable.

That's the same concern I have, and why I initially asked the question. Again, I know that some of them do trials, and at least some of that is on vet. But I have no idea if they're doing HM, or if they're testing the balance changes in vet HM trials and similar content. My guess is probably no on the question of whether they're doing that to test these balance changes, but I can't say for sure.

codestripper

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We did have a meeting with the Class Reps yesterday afternoon, and we'll be posting the notes on the forums a little later today.

Any ETA? I need to go to bed soon but i'm curious about what was discussed so I might not sleep well lol.

actosh

Dont expect much.
Class reps have feedback and pain points for zos, and zos..........yeah, they mostly dont care ^^

codestripper

If you don't expect anything you can't be disappointed. Nonetheless I want to at least see what the current mindset is on everything so far.

pattyLtd

Regardless of the outcome i want to say thank you to all the class reps for doing the best they can.
I cant speak for others but I truelly appreciate it

Koolio

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We did have a meeting with the Class Reps yesterday afternoon, and we'll be posting the notes on the forums a little later today.

Darkmage1337

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We did have a meeting with the Class Reps yesterday afternoon, and we'll be posting the notes on the forums a little later today.

It's been 6 hours. How are the Class Rep Meeting Notes coming along?
Any ETA, yet?

Odovacar

Thank you @ClassReps for your support! We do appreciate your advocacy on all matters! Looking forward to the notes!

turlisley

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We did have a meeting with the Class Reps yesterday afternoon, and we'll be posting the notes on the forums a little later today.

7 hours later... *crickets*

jeskah

turlisley wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We did have a meeting with the Class Reps yesterday afternoon, and we'll be posting the notes on the forums a little later today.

7 hours later... *crickets*

Maybe they does not dare to post the repnotes...

ZOS_GinaBruno

The notes may need to wait until tomorrow. Sorry, everyone. Keep your chin up, though; we're planning to add a few additional things for everyone to chew on. We'll post them tonight if we can, otherwise expect to see them by tomorrow.

MissBizz

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

The notes may need to wait until tomorrow. Sorry, everyone. Keep your chin up, though; we're planning to add a few additional things for everyone to chew on. We'll post them tonight if we can, otherwise expect to see them by tomorrow.

I feel my hopes are too high

"We'll do something different than add a cast time to shields" is what I'm hoping for.

Draxinusom_

No Nep Rotes today. Go do Summerfall event instead

BaylorCorvette

womp womp

actosh

e're planning to add a few additional things for everyone to chew on


i´m afraid

Minno

actosh wrote: »

e're planning to add a few additional things for everyone to chew on


i´m afraid

It might be a pizza. Who knows lol.

Kingslayer513

jeskah wrote: »

turlisley wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We did have a meeting with the Class Reps yesterday afternoon, and we'll be posting the notes on the forums a little later today.

7 hours later... *crickets*

Maybe they does not dare to post the repnotes...

This is what I'm worried about.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Keep your chin up, though; we're planning to add a few additional things for everyone to chew on.

Now I'm really worried.

Turelus

MissBizz wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

The notes may need to wait until tomorrow. Sorry, everyone. Keep your chin up, though; we're planning to add a few additional things for everyone to chew on. We'll post them tonight if we can, otherwise expect to see them by tomorrow.

I feel my hopes are too high

"We'll do something different than add a cast time to shields" is what I'm hoping for.

Cast times added to all cast times.

Strider__Roshin

Minno wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

e're planning to add a few additional things for everyone to chew on


i´m afraid

It might be a pizza. Who knows lol.

I hope it's beef jerky personally.

codestripper

Turelus wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

The notes may need to wait until tomorrow. Sorry, everyone. Keep your chin up, though; we're planning to add a few additional things for everyone to chew on. We'll post them tonight if we can, otherwise expect to see them by tomorrow.

I feel my hopes are too high

"We'll do something different than add a cast time to shields" is what I'm hoping for.

Cast times added to all cast times.

"Before casting a skill, you must now pre cast your cast for 3 seconds. If you are inturrupted during your pre cast, you must then cast to roll a d20. If you roll anything less than a natural 20, you must then add +2 to your cast time..." Good luck

Minno

Turelus wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

The notes may need to wait until tomorrow. Sorry, everyone. Keep your chin up, though; we're planning to add a few additional things for everyone to chew on. We'll post them tonight if we can, otherwise expect to see them by tomorrow.

I feel my hopes are too high

"We'll do something different than add a cast time to shields" is what I'm hoping for.

Cast times added to all cast times.

Wro-ception

dimensional

x

UrQuan

Kingslayer513 wrote: »

jeskah wrote: »

turlisley wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We did have a meeting with the Class Reps yesterday afternoon, and we'll be posting the notes on the forums a little later today.

7 hours later... *crickets*

Maybe they does not dare to post the repnotes...

This is what I'm worried about.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Keep your chin up, though; we're planning to add a few additional things for everyone to chew on.

Now I'm really worried.

I don't think Gina would have phrased it that way if the "few additional things" were things that they thought we would be upset about. Maybe not things that will make people jump for joy, but probably nothing they'd expect us to be too disappointed about. I hope.