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JPcrazysquirrel3
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I don't remember this in the previous patch notes?
Did Zos suddenly decide to do this? Now you can't cast Annulment and Obsidian Shield on yourself, or Annulment and Conjured Ward, etc.?
Developer Comment:
Spoiler
Damage shields from multiple sources cannot be stacked. We want healing absorption to follow this same ruleset.
Edited by JPcrazysquirrel3 on September 25, 2018 12:47AM Did Zos suddenly decide to do this? Now you can't cast Annulment and Obsidian Shield on yourself, or Annulment and Conjured Ward, etc.?
Developer Comment:
Spoiler
Damage shields from multiple sources cannot be stacked. We want healing absorption to follow this same ruleset.
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I was on the forums before, but something happened with my account info and I had to create a new account.
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John_Falstaff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I've asked about the same in different thread earlier today, but didn't get any response. Apparently it went under the radar, unnoticed.
It's not just about sorcs, by the way. DK healers (I don't play one, but I know people who do and enjoy it) make extensive use of shields, and it's a hefty slap on their collective face.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I spotted that, but haven't tested it on the PTS. Can you still shield stack, or do they not stack anymore?0 -
JPcrazysquirrel3✭✭✭✭John_Falstaff wrote: »I've asked about the same in different thread earlier today, but didn't get any response. Apparently it went under the radar, unnoticed.
It's not just about sorcs, by the way. DK healers (I don't play one, but I know people who do and enjoy it) make extensive use of shields, and it's a hefty slap on their collective face.
Sorry, I know it isn't just Sorcs. I tried to spew out a non-Sorc example, but only could come up with Steadfast Ward.
I have since edited my original post to give a better example.Edited by JPcrazysquirrel3 on September 25, 2018 12:48AM"Wood Elves aren't made of wood. Sea Elves aren't made of water. M'aiq still wonders about High Elves."
"It's just not a home until you decorate the torture chamber, am I right?"
"If you want to lose 10lbs of ugly fat, I'd be happy to chop your head off!"
"Degenerates!" --- Todd Howard
"If it's not broke, don't fix it,....unless you're ZO$ and are just doing it for the money!" --- MeClass reps are just like our politicians. They promise mountains made of gold for us, but in the end, whenever they can they try to push their own agenda.
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smacx250✭✭✭✭✭No, what it is pointing out is that you can't have multiple shields of the same type cast on you and have them "stack" - they replace the existing shield, and always have. This is the justification that is being given why the new behavior (healing absorption) for this set will work in the same manner - won't stack from multiple sources.3
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John_Falstaff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@smacx250 , wording is the culprit. "Same type" would mean that shields from different abilities can stack. But in the developer comment, it's stated "from multiple sources", and that implies that shields from different abilities won't stack either (and that wasn't the case before).2 -
JPcrazysquirrel3✭✭✭✭No, what it is pointing out is that you can't have multiple shields of the same type cast on you and have them "stack" - they replace the existing shield, and always have. This is the justification that is being given why the new behavior (healing absorption) for this set will work in the same manner - won't stack from multiple sources.
Thank you! Now that would make more sense."Wood Elves aren't made of wood. Sea Elves aren't made of water. M'aiq still wonders about High Elves."
"It's just not a home until you decorate the torture chamber, am I right?"
"If you want to lose 10lbs of ugly fat, I'd be happy to chop your head off!"
"Degenerates!" --- Todd Howard
"If it's not broke, don't fix it,....unless you're ZO$ and are just doing it for the money!" --- MeClass reps are just like our politicians. They promise mountains made of gold for us, but in the end, whenever they can they try to push their own agenda.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I am in a Kevduit videoPS4 (main platform)
--- JP_Dovahkriid
PC (just for PTS since Dragon Bones)
--- JP_Dovahkriid
Playing since console release in 2015
17 characters; mainly play PvE tanks and healer, as well as PvP stamDK, magplar, and stamblade; I also have a handful of DPS toons to have variety. All AD, with one, now PvE, DC toon.
I was on the forums before, but something happened with my account info and I had to create a new account.0 -
Mystrius_Archaion✭✭✭✭✭
✭JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »I don't remember this in the previous patch notes?
Did Zos suddenly decide to do this? Now you can't cast Annulment and Obsidian Shield on yourself, or Annulment and Conjured Ward, etc.?
Developer Comment:
Spoiler
Damage shields from multiple sources cannot be stacked. We want healing absorption to follow this same ruleset.
Where is the source of this?
It's not in any patch notes.
Edit:
If this were the case then they would invalidate every weapon enchant that grants a shield or item set bonus procced shield or group shields.
It would be a very bad idea.
Edit2:
Oh, so this was possibly a misunderstanding of the same old "you can't have 2 Hardened Wards on you at the same time" rule that already existed. That makes sense and is ok as it already works.Edited by Mystrius_Archaion on September 25, 2018 1:01AM0 -
smacx250✭✭✭✭✭
Look at the actual patch note:John_Falstaff wrote: »@smacx250 , wording is the culprit. "Same type" would mean that shields from different abilities can stack. But in the developer comment, it's stated "from multiple sources", and that implies that shields from different abilities won't stack either (and that wasn't the case before).
Soldier of Anguish: Reduced the healing absorption value to 4800 from 5500, and the healing absorption debuff from this set can no longer stack with itself.
That is the change. The rest is the "developer comment", and is only using the non-stacking nature of a given shield type from multiple sources as to why this should behave the same way. Shields of different types stack just fine on PTS (ignoring all the other horrible stuff being done to them).
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Alpheu5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ya the wording is messed up. I was on not too long ago messing with ward tanking and was stacking Bone Shield, the Psijic passive ward, and using Hatchling's Shell with no issue.Dalek-Rok - Argonian Sorcerer || Dalek-Shād - Argonian Nightblade || Dalek-Shul - Argonian Templar || Dalek-Xal - Argonian Dragonknight || Mounts-the-Snout - Argonian Warden || Dalek-Xul - Argonian Necromancer || Two-Spires - Argonian Arcanist || Dalek-Nesh - Argonian Sorcerer || Dalek-Kör - Argonian DragonknightJudas Helviaryn wrote: »Don't incorporate bugs into your builds, and you won't have [an] issue.3 -
JPcrazysquirrel3✭✭✭✭Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »I don't remember this in the previous patch notes?
Did Zos suddenly decide to do this? Now you can't cast Annulment and Obsidian Shield on yourself, or Annulment and Conjured Ward, etc.?
Developer Comment:
Spoiler
Damage shields from multiple sources cannot be stacked. We want healing absorption to follow this same ruleset.
Where is the source of this?
It's not in any patch notes.
Edit:
If this were the case then they would invalidate every weapon enchant that grants a shield or item set bonus procced shield or group shields.
It would be a very bad idea.
Edit2:
Oh, so this was possibly a misunderstanding of the same old "you can't have 2 Hardened Wards on you at the same time" rule that already existed. That makes sense and is ok as it already works.
It is in the most recent patch notes. I posted it in my original post. Patch 4.2.1
It is under a "Spoiler" flagEdited by JPcrazysquirrel3 on September 25, 2018 1:48AM"Wood Elves aren't made of wood. Sea Elves aren't made of water. M'aiq still wonders about High Elves."
"It's just not a home until you decorate the torture chamber, am I right?"
"If you want to lose 10lbs of ugly fat, I'd be happy to chop your head off!"
"Degenerates!" --- Todd Howard
"If it's not broke, don't fix it,....unless you're ZO$ and are just doing it for the money!" --- MeClass reps are just like our politicians. They promise mountains made of gold for us, but in the end, whenever they can they try to push their own agenda.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Bio:
I am in a Kevduit videoPS4 (main platform)
--- JP_Dovahkriid
PC (just for PTS since Dragon Bones)
--- JP_Dovahkriid
Playing since console release in 2015
17 characters; mainly play PvE tanks and healer, as well as PvP stamDK, magplar, and stamblade; I also have a handful of DPS toons to have variety. All AD, with one, now PvE, DC toon.
I was on the forums before, but something happened with my account info and I had to create a new account.0 -
Xeniph✭✭✭✭✭"multiple sources" = Multiple players.
IE...wards from multiple players can't stack on a single target. Just as it's always been.
They could have been more clear I suppose, but I didn't have any issue understanding what it meant /shrug.Here since Beta.
Characters: All of them, both Stamina and Magicka.0 -
usmcjdking✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The wording isn't messed up, it makes no sense.
What does a healing suppression set have to do with stacking damage shields????0331
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Mystrius_Archaion✭✭✭✭✭
✭usmcjdking wrote: »The wording isn't messed up, it makes no sense.
What does a healing suppression set have to do with stacking damage shields????
Because that's how they made the healing suppression work. It's coded like a "negative shield" that eats healing up without actually decreasing health.0