What do you dislike most about MMORPGs?

Maggi12 · September 2018

one word - random.

Poor guys, who made 100000+ runs in attempt to find single maelstrom bow/staff or bsw staff.... no comments. when random will disapper from games? is it hard to make some sort of "shards" so if you are not lucky enough (10+ runs), you will earn enough of them to exchange shards for wanted set pieces. (you can replace "shards" with something else, doesnt matter - just to remove that stupid random)

PS: I am not talking about crown crates - it is another story...
PPS: Aetherial dust and cypher - i dont mean them either - they should be super rare.

MornaBaine · September 2018

RNG
Gamble Boxes and other predatory sales practices
RNG
Grinding
RNG
Uninspired repetitive game mechanics
RNG
Everything being FIRE
RNG
Ridiculous armor
RNG
Think that's most of it.
Wait, did I mention RNG?

NewBlacksmurf · September 2018

Usually it’s the developer making poor or disliked decisions over and over.

Other than that, I like a lot about almost all

Jeremy · September 2018

Aurielle wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

LizziAS wrote: »

Ok so thanks for all those great answers .

Here's another nit of mine:

People thinking that there are PVP and PVE zones

Clearly, there is solo play, group play, and PVP play. And each has their own requirements. When they overlap, it sucks for everyone. It's about time we change the conversation to recognize this reality. In this game, there are all three types of play.

I disagree. When I’m capturing Cropsford for my alliance, and I unintentionally kill a harmless solo player who’s there for the quests, my enjoyment of Cyrodiil is not diminished one iota. That overlap, as you put it, only sucks for people who are ill-equipped to handle it. I choose to equip myself appropriately for the content and environment in which I’m playing. If I’m in an area where I could be attacked by a player at any time, I’m not going to wear gear I would wear in a dungeon ([strikethrough]unless I’m on my NB in the sewers on an empty campaign[/strikethrough]. If I’m in a dungeon, conversely, I’m not going to wear gear designed to protect me from and/or counter particular PVP builds.

The main problem here that I can see is that we have completionists who feel they are entitled to completion of all content in the game without being subjected to forms of gameplay they don’t enjoy.

I’m sorry, but if you want to collect every skyshard, you’re going to have to accept that you’ll have to wear PVP gear, or else run a greater risk of dying while attempting to collect every skyshard. If you want to collect every hard mode dungeon skin, you’re going to have to accept that you probably can’t do it while wearing five impen Shacklebreaker and five Lich.

No one is forcing anyone to do every quest or collect every skyshard or complete every dungeon achievement. That is your choice. Don’t play the victim and rage at PVPers because you couldn’t be bothered to gear yourself appropriately or because you simply just could not accept that you’d probably die when you were playing in an area where other people can attack you. Don’t play the victim because you got kicked from a vet dungeon for doing 20k single target DPS in your PVP gear.

With the amount of zerging that goes on Cyrodil, I'm not sure if gearing for PvP is going to help PvE players who trying to quest or hunt skyshards in Cyrodil much. I would say the issue is more that they are solo and zerg groups get excited in disturbing ways when they see a lone prey to massacre.

@Jeremy , zergs pass through Cropsford, Vlas, and Bruma because they are AvAvA objective points. If there’s a solo quester on or near a flag talking to a quest giver, yes, they’re going to get massacred. It’s the risk you take when you quest in a PVP zone. If a quester is on a flag, and we’re taking Crops to deny the blues or reds a respawn point, it would be extremely selfish of that quester to expect 20+ people to back off and not take Crops so that he/she can quest in peace.

Zergs are not routinely roflstomping out of the way skyshard locations, or quest hubs that don’t contribute anything to the alliance war. You might have lone/duo gankers camping skyshards (which is unlikely, as they have a greater chance of ganking zerg stragglers, rather than waiting an eternity for some defenceless PVEer to show up). In those cases, yes, gearing defensively will be a boon.

I doubt it.

Even a small group of gankers is going to make short work of a lone player trying to quest or make it alive to a sky shard.

Back when I was exploring Cyrodil and trying to hunt down all the skyshards in the delves etc. I was slaughtered routinely by roving war bands of blood thirsty PvPers. I could have been garbed in the clothes of Jesus it wouldn't have made any difference. The only reliable defense in Cyrodile is numbers. And possibly stealth - which is what actually prompted me to go vampire so I could sneak around at something less than a snail's pace. Because gankers love to ambush lone players who are questing, exploring for skyshards, doing dolmens etc.

My point is: trying to gear for PvP to go hunt skyshards or do quests is a lost cause. You're still going to get slaughtered there if you are alone and detected. It just goes with the territory. Cyrodil is not a fun place to be alone in no matter if you're wearing PvP gear or not.

Sygil05 · September 2018

The idiots in area chat in populated areas that listen to terrible music as loud as they can. I've not played many MMORPGs, but this seems pretty universal.

redlink1979 · September 2018

Salty people

ZOS_Mika · September 2018

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keevil111 · September 2018

Expansions(dlc)

Back on the day if you bought Mario Bros you got friggin Mario Bros.

Now you can only purchase about 11% of the game at a time...

I'd rather pay like 350 bucks for a huge game all at once than the slow trickle of content we get.

And yes I know why, it just sucks, though.

DorianDragonRaze · September 2018

never ending balance "fixes"

Odnoc · September 2018

All the constant whining and entitlement that causes changes to the point the game doesn't resemble what I initially bought at all.

LizziAS · September 2018

Jeremy wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

LizziAS wrote: »

Ok so thanks for all those great answers .

Here's another nit of mine:

People thinking that there are PVP and PVE zones

Clearly, there is solo play, group play, and PVP play. And each has their own requirements. When they overlap, it sucks for everyone. It's about time we change the conversation to recognize this reality. In this game, there are all three types of play.

I disagree. When I’m capturing Cropsford for my alliance, and I unintentionally kill a harmless solo player who’s there for the quests, my enjoyment of Cyrodiil is not diminished one iota. That overlap, as you put it, only sucks for people who are ill-equipped to handle it. I choose to equip myself appropriately for the content and environment in which I’m playing. If I’m in an area where I could be attacked by a player at any time, I’m not going to wear gear I would wear in a dungeon ([strikethrough]unless I’m on my NB in the sewers on an empty campaign[/strikethrough]. If I’m in a dungeon, conversely, I’m not going to wear gear designed to protect me from and/or counter particular PVP builds.

The main problem here that I can see is that we have completionists who feel they are entitled to completion of all content in the game without being subjected to forms of gameplay they don’t enjoy.

I’m sorry, but if you want to collect every skyshard, you’re going to have to accept that you’ll have to wear PVP gear, or else run a greater risk of dying while attempting to collect every skyshard. If you want to collect every hard mode dungeon skin, you’re going to have to accept that you probably can’t do it while wearing five impen Shacklebreaker and five Lich.

No one is forcing anyone to do every quest or collect every skyshard or complete every dungeon achievement. That is your choice. Don’t play the victim and rage at PVPers because you couldn’t be bothered to gear yourself appropriately or because you simply just could not accept that you’d probably die when you were playing in an area where other people can attack you. Don’t play the victim because you got kicked from a vet dungeon for doing 20k single target DPS in your PVP gear.

With the amount of zerging that goes on Cyrodil, I'm not sure if gearing for PvP is going to help PvE players who trying to quest or hunt skyshards in Cyrodil much. I would say the issue is more that they are solo and zerg groups get excited in disturbing ways when they see a lone prey to massacre.

@Jeremy , zergs pass through Cropsford, Vlas, and Bruma because they are AvAvA objective points. If there’s a solo quester on or near a flag talking to a quest giver, yes, they’re going to get massacred. It’s the risk you take when you quest in a PVP zone. If a quester is on a flag, and we’re taking Crops to deny the blues or reds a respawn point, it would be extremely selfish of that quester to expect 20+ people to back off and not take Crops so that he/she can quest in peace.

Zergs are not routinely roflstomping out of the way skyshard locations, or quest hubs that don’t contribute anything to the alliance war. You might have lone/duo gankers camping skyshards (which is unlikely, as they have a greater chance of ganking zerg stragglers, rather than waiting an eternity for some defenceless PVEer to show up). In those cases, yes, gearing defensively will be a boon.

I doubt it.

Even a small group of gankers is going to make short work of a lone player trying to quest or make it alive to a sky shard.

Back when I was exploring Cyrodil and trying to hunt down all the skyshards in the delves etc. I was slaughtered routinely by roving war bands of blood thirsty PvPers. I could have been garbed in the clothes of Jesus it wouldn't have made any difference. The only reliable defense in Cyrodile is numbers. And possibly stealth - which is what actually prompted me to go vampire so I could sneak around at something less than a snail's pace. Because gankers love to ambush lone players who are questing, exploring for skyshards, doing dolmens etc.

My point is: trying to gear for PvP to go hunt skyshards or do quests is a lost cause. You're still going to get slaughtered there if you are alone and detected. It just goes with the territory. Cyrodil is not a fun place to be alone in no matter if you're wearing PvP gear or not.

I was in there the other night doing shards and dolmens and some quests for the towns in cyrodil and ran into so folks who werent with my alliance. On several occasions while questing i had to make short order the npc gurads for their alliance but when they saw i wasnt interested in killing them they gave me a pass so i gave them a pass. It can happen but yah, it's not the usual.

LizziAS · September 2018

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Thank you!

LizziAS · September 2018

I have had issues on occasions when there are so many special effects on the screen,i cant see my hands in front of my face to play. Thats is a bit overwhelming.

SHADOW2KK · September 2018

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Oh ok, so what you really mean is that the discussion stays within the parameters of ZoS not getting deserved feedback?

LizziAS · September 2018

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

ZOS_MikaS wrote: »

We have removed a few non-constructive comments. Please ensure that the discussion doesn't go off the rails and remains civil. Thanks!

Oh ok, so what you really mean is that the discussion stays within the parameters of ZoS not getting deserved feedback?

i had assumed it descended into personal attacks. since i didnt see the post before it was nerfed, i cant say what it was. did you see it?

Shinshadow · September 2018

"The Holy Trinity". . . the roles of DPS, Tank, and Healer. Why can't they come out with a game where people gotta be able to do all three, and not just focus on one?

SHADOW2KK · September 2018

LizziAS wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

ZOS_MikaS wrote: »

We have removed a few non-constructive comments. Please ensure that the discussion doesn't go off the rails and remains civil. Thanks!

Oh ok, so what you really mean is that the discussion stays within the parameters of ZoS not getting deserved feedback?

i had assumed it descended into personal attacks. since i didnt see the post before it was nerfed, i cant say what it was. did you see it?

There where no personal attacks of any kind the last time I read this thread, you know ZoS mods are fiercely protective of being draconian.

nimander99 · September 2018

LizziAS wrote: »

For me it's how people wrap up their identities and their worth as a person into how well they play a video game.

News FLASH

Playing a video game well is NOT a virtue.

what's your issue with the type of game?

^ Never really thought about it like that but im gonna go with your answer OP.

bootie101 · September 2018

Elitist. Like players who think they are better then everyone else. I used to play wow one of the reason I quit was toxic players. I enjoy this game alot more seems players are more friendly imo

shiningforce · September 2018

When you play a game to do end game and you find out that you have to do Animation cancelling an unintended exploit in the game in which was not stated by Zenimix from the start unless you stumble upon it or find it elsewhere here in the forums or online; in which also many people have a hard time doing. People with certain disabilities for example that can play other mmo's no problem, people that have more lag than others, etc. This is a big problem (The only people that say otherwise would be people that sat by a dummy for hours parsing using this exploit)

Imperial_Voice · September 2018

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

LizziAS wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

ZOS_MikaS wrote: »

We have removed a few non-constructive comments. Please ensure that the discussion doesn't go off the rails and remains civil. Thanks!

Oh ok, so what you really mean is that the discussion stays within the parameters of ZoS not getting deserved feedback?

i had assumed it descended into personal attacks. since i didnt see the post before it was nerfed, i cant say what it was. did you see it?

There where no personal attacks of any kind the last time I read this thread, you know ZoS mods are fiercely protective of being draconian.

Sounds like someone is about to have their comment removed.

vienna · September 2018

That people like here in Elder Scrolls Online which is treated as a PVE game, yet it's not easy to find teamplayers, rushing, rushing, rushing,...or general egoists especially in dungeons, which seems to be from my humble experience as a newbie almost the norm in this game, about what I'm pretty surprised, since usually are PVE players very team oriented,...I play as a healer and gosh, people hurry so much and often completely overestimate their abilities,..

Jeremy · September 2018

vienna wrote: »

That people like here in Elder Scrolls Online which is treated as a PVE game, yet it's not easy to find teamplayers, rushing, rushing, rushing,...or general egoists especially in dungeons, which seems to be from my humble experience as a newbie almost the norm in this game, about what I'm pretty surprised, since usually are PVE players very team oriented,...I play as a healer and gosh, people hurry so much and often completely overestimate their abilities,..

Sadly this is the way most online MMORPG games are these days. It wasn't like that in the old days, which is why I think this might be a generational thing.

But you're right - everyone is obsessed with finishing a dungeon in 5 minutes. Anyone who slows their precious speed run down is often insulted and kicked. It's definitely not newbie friendly. I don't even want to think about the abuse newbie damage-dealers must have to endure on this game when trying to use the group finder to complete dungeons... waiting for an hour to finally get a group only then to get instantly kicked right at the start because you don't have huge amounts of CP. That sounds like so much fun.