Jeremy wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

LizziAS wrote: »

Ok so thanks for all those great answers .

Here's another nit of mine:

People thinking that there are PVP and PVE zones


Clearly, there is solo play, group play, and PVP play. And each has their own requirements. When they overlap, it sucks for everyone. It's about time we change the conversation to recognize this reality. In this game, there are all three types of play.

I disagree. When I’m capturing Cropsford for my alliance, and I unintentionally kill a harmless solo player who’s there for the quests, my enjoyment of Cyrodiil is not diminished one iota. That overlap, as you put it, only sucks for people who are ill-equipped to handle it. I choose to equip myself appropriately for the content and environment in which I’m playing. If I’m in an area where I could be attacked by a player at any time, I’m not going to wear gear I would wear in a dungeon ([strikethrough]unless I’m on my NB in the sewers on an empty campaign[/strikethrough]. If I’m in a dungeon, conversely, I’m not going to wear gear designed to protect me from and/or counter particular PVP builds.

The main problem here that I can see is that we have completionists who feel they are entitled to completion of all content in the game without being subjected to forms of gameplay they don’t enjoy.

I’m sorry, but if you want to collect every skyshard, you’re going to have to accept that you’ll have to wear PVP gear, or else run a greater risk of dying while attempting to collect every skyshard. If you want to collect every hard mode dungeon skin, you’re going to have to accept that you probably can’t do it while wearing five impen Shacklebreaker and five Lich.

No one is forcing anyone to do every quest or collect every skyshard or complete every dungeon achievement. That is your choice. Don’t play the victim and rage at PVPers because you couldn’t be bothered to gear yourself appropriately or because you simply just could not accept that you’d probably die when you were playing in an area where other people can attack you. Don’t play the victim because you got kicked from a vet dungeon for doing 20k single target DPS in your PVP gear.

With the amount of zerging that goes on Cyrodil, I'm not sure if gearing for PvP is going to help PvE players who trying to quest or hunt skyshards in Cyrodil much. I would say the issue is more that they are solo and zerg groups get excited in disturbing ways when they see a lone prey to massacre.

@Jeremy , zergs pass through Cropsford, Vlas, and Bruma because they are AvAvA objective points. If there’s a solo quester on or near a flag talking to a quest giver, yes, they’re going to get massacred. It’s the risk you take when you quest in a PVP zone. If a quester is on a flag, and we’re taking Crops to deny the blues or reds a respawn point, it would be extremely selfish of that quester to expect 20+ people to back off and not take Crops so that he/she can quest in peace.

Zergs are not routinely roflstomping out of the way skyshard locations, or quest hubs that don’t contribute anything to the alliance war. You might have lone/duo gankers camping skyshards (which is unlikely, as they have a greater chance of ganking zerg stragglers, rather than waiting an eternity for some defenceless PVEer to show up). In those cases, yes, gearing defensively will be a boon.

I doubt it.

Even a small group of gankers is going to make short work of a lone player trying to quest or make it alive to a sky shard.

Back when I was exploring Cyrodil and trying to hunt down all the skyshards in the delves etc. I was slaughtered routinely by roving war bands of blood thirsty PvPers. I could have been garbed in the clothes of Jesus it wouldn't have made any difference. The only reliable defense in Cyrodile is numbers. And possibly stealth - which is what actually prompted me to go vampire so I could sneak around at something less than a snail's pace. Because gankers love to ambush lone players who are questing, exploring for skyshards, doing dolmens etc.

My point is: trying to gear for PvP to go hunt skyshards or do quests is a lost cause. You're still going to get slaughtered there if you are alone and detected. It just goes with the territory. Cyrodil is not a fun place to be alone in no matter if you're wearing PvP gear or not.

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

ZOS_MikaS wrote: »

We have removed a few non-constructive comments. Please ensure that the discussion doesn't go off the rails and remains civil. Thanks!

Oh ok, so what you really mean is that the discussion stays within the parameters of ZoS not getting deserved feedback?

LizziAS wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

ZOS_MikaS wrote: »

We have removed a few non-constructive comments. Please ensure that the discussion doesn't go off the rails and remains civil. Thanks!

Oh ok, so what you really mean is that the discussion stays within the parameters of ZoS not getting deserved feedback?

i had assumed it descended into personal attacks. since i didnt see the post before it was nerfed, i cant say what it was. did you see it?

vienna wrote: »

That people like here in Elder Scrolls Online which is treated as a PVE game, yet it's not easy to find teamplayers, rushing, rushing, rushing,...or general egoists especially in dungeons, which seems to be from my humble experience as a newbie almost the norm in this game, about what I'm pretty surprised, since usually are PVE players very team oriented,...I play as a healer and gosh, people hurry so much and often completely overestimate their abilities,..