Agreed ^

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

It has 2 uses I've seen, one new one to me even.

1) It's a pull just like the DK chains but much more forgiving in targeting rather than having to hit the specific enemy, and it can be aimed through the boss without having to find a way to look around it to target the correct enemy like chains. That makes it better than chains to me.

2) It can be used to great effect denying enemies access to something they really want, in pvp mainly. I watched a video on Youtube of a warden using it to teleport players away from somebody they were trying to res back into the warden's frost fields.
It was hilarious and surprisingly useful at keeping them in the damage and their friends down.

Or putting it on a postern door and watching as someone frantically rushes to get into the keep only to be pulled back into the field.

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

It has 2 uses I've seen, one new one to me even.

1) It's a pull just like the DK chains but much more forgiving in targeting rather than having to hit the specific enemy, and it can be aimed through the boss without having to find a way to look around it to target the correct enemy like chains. That makes it better than chains to me.

2) It can be used to great effect denying enemies access to something they really want, in pvp mainly. I watched a video on Youtube of a warden using it to teleport players away from somebody they were trying to res back into the warden's frost fields.
It was hilarious and surprisingly useful at keeping them in the damage and their friends down.

sooooo much yes to your first point. when dragonknight tanks have to turn vashai a bit to pull adds and negate placement gets messed up, a warden tank will never have that problem.

This is a great skill that differentiates Warden tanking from tanking on other classes.

Silver Leash is a replacement for the DK's chains. Sorc, Templar, and NB all have to use it. I'm glad there's a class skill that Wardens can use instead.

However, the concept of a "frozen gate" is weak. It would fit better as a "Dark Gate" or "Dark Portal" in the Shadow skill line of the NB.

There needs to be a much greater difference between the morphs. It's absolutely amazing as a base skill - but unless you'er a PvE magicka warden tank who needs a pull (a very specific role and area of content in the game) it's absolute garbage.

I tried using it on my heavy armor, frost staff magicka warden in pvp for the Major Maim, but it's extremely clunky AND...well, is counter productive. The root is nice and the major maim is nice, but why in the heck would I EVER want to bring someone that close to me? Even on a light armor magicka warden, it's madness.

Maybe a powerful DoT + root for one morph, keep root + pull/ally synergy to the other morph. Wardens are in dire need of some DPS help after the out-of-the-blue nerf to bear.

Alternatively, a morph that teleports someone AWAY from me instead of towards me would be a good split btwn the morphs.

Magden suffers from not having enough damage skills... especially ice damage skills... lol Morrowind promotional... Make Frozen Device the defacto Tank skill and make Frozen Retreat the dps morph. Example: Frozen Retreat reworked into an ability that does burst ice damage, applies an ice dot, and roots targets that run over it (up to 3 targets per rune cast) in addition to placing a synergy (one that doesn’t disappear until ability is recast) that players can active to gap close to you (Frozen Retreat morph specifically reduced to one trap at a time to prevent trolling people with huge damage from triple trap stack)... Retreat is frankly awful in its current state as it is the support morph but with tank functionality... what tank is gonna stand on the back lines to pull allies out of danger? This ability should be reworked into a dps utility ability as stated above so that Magden gains more options to play as a cryomancer and so they can gain access to more cc in the form of area denial

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I can’t find a spot for it on my PvP Warden off-tank.

The OP has a fair point ...

No.... No he hasn't. Others can find spots for it, just cause you don't doesn't mean the skill needs to be reworked.

_Ahala_ wrote: »

Magden suffers from not having enough damage skills... especially ice damage skills... lol Morrowind promotional... Make Frozen Device the defacto Tank skill and make Frozen Retreat the dps morph. Example: Frozen Retreat reworked into an ability that does burst ice damage, applies an ice dot, and roots targets that run over it (up to 3 targets per rune cast) in addition to placing a synergy (one that doesn’t disappear until ability is recast) that players can active to gap close to you (Frozen Retreat morph specifically reduced to one trap at a time to prevent trolling people with huge damage from triple trap stack)... Retreat is frankly awful in its current state as it is the support morph but with tank functionality... what tank is gonna stand on the back lines to pull allies out of danger? This ability should be reworked into a dps utility ability as stated above so that Magden gains more options to play as a cryomancer and so they can gain access to more cc in the form of area denial

DoT AoE Root, where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, gripping shards. Sure that does leave out burst dmg and a synergy from your list but seriously just need to add a heal to that for most of skill ever. Can't have it all in one. But yeah the retreat thing is not really a big thing and never seen anyone use it, but your suggestion was over the top. AoE ice dot trap would have been enough.

I used to use the frozen device on my warden tank, but it was taking too long to cast and wasn't as reasonable as the DK chains. Currently, I use the silver leash instead, even though it cost loads of stam. The DK chains are always going to be the best, but I am thinking about swapping to the portal again to give it another shot.

I highly disagree, Frozen Gate is legitimately the best chain pull with a really high skill cap, in arena's it's uncontested when it comes to saving time and gathering enemies. in addition to the fact it's not a hard CC allows for amazing synergy with wardens other skills so you have high stun, root, and chain pull capabilities. I liked a video of a score run I did in vBRP using Frozen Device. It definitely doesn't need a rework right now it's extremely powerful. In score, group runs we haven't been able to justify having a different tank outside of just having unchained titles on other toons. When we push for score we bring a warden tank because the pre-chain, the speed of which a pull can happen is just insane. Sorry to come across in a shutdown manner, I just think the skill is super undervalued and there are very few cases I'd ever consider silver leash over it. It's just oo strong.
https://youtu.be/g_5Q2iqJTGo?t=320

When your chain pull can literally change spawn point's it's OP

robpr wrote: »

It pulls one thing at the time, maybe make it so it pulls all the things in its radius?

That'd be cool but it may be a bit too strong at that point especially in pvp just yoinking a whole zerg lol

I LOVE this ability!

Lay these down at a postern door or keep gate and just suck enemies out to instant death. Or use them to cut off the escape of a fleeing Nightblade. So many uses and invaluable for PvE tanking as well.