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PTS Update 20 - Feedback Thread for Wardens
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reprosal✭✭✭✭✭Still nothing for wardens. Thanks.
I always sit on my chair and think why would you keep nerfing the useless bear ultimate. We slot it on both bar, but bear is so slow and has tons of bugs (disappearing in combat, stucking somewhere etc.). Also it so easy to dodge bear cuz it has to run and catch the enemy first. Instead of bring some good features to make it usefull (jump-leap on enemy animation) you are nerfing its damage 30%. My mind is not able to accept this. Whoever is managing the class balance things he/she must be joking to us. There is no other explaination.
@ZOS_GinaBruno
From a PVE perspective stamden is great. Warden performs well in PVP too. Dunno what is wrong with their stam adjustments.0 -
_Ahala_✭✭✭✭✭
✭As long as Winters Embrace is only for tanking, Magden will suffer... imagine if the Shadow, Dark Magic, Aedric Spear, and Dragonic Power Trees were dedicated to tanking skills and all scaled off health... it would be a disaster... Nightblade looses surprise attack, Sorc loses frag, Templar looses several attacks, and Dk looses talons and inhale... This is what Magden is dealing with right now, we can only imagine what awesome class defining abilities Magden is missing out on that would have made them unique from Stamden... The ice is for tanking only rule is killing the class... we need more offensive Winters Embrace skillsEdited by _Ahala_ on September 20, 2018 4:52PM10 -
Wonderboy✭✭✭Artic Blast as on live is a huge go to tool for me on my Warden Ice tank. I use the AoE Ice damage to proc chilled to then be able to root things in blockade of elements and then too also as my primary self heal.
With these changes, this skill becomes unusable to be as an Ice tank which is incomprehensible honestly. I get that we needed a hard CC again, but this was not the solution imo. At the very, very least, I'd like to see Artic blast not require a target to use for the heal to at least retain some of it's utility.
I've tried using this new version on the PTS and it simply does not fill the role I need it to and it's not like the other morph can give me the same utility I previously had as it has no damage either.2 -
Drygon✭✭✭Artic Blast as on live is a huge go to tool for me on my Warden Ice tank. I use the AoE Ice damage to proc chilled to then be able to root things in blockade of elements and then too also as my primary self heal.
With these changes, this skill becomes unusable to be as an Ice tank which is incomprehensible honestly. I get that we needed a hard CC again, but this was not the solution imo. At the very, very least, I'd like to see Artic blast not require a target to use for the heal to at least retain some of it's utility.
I've tried using this new version on the PTS and it simply does not fill the role I need it to and it's not like the other morph can give me the same utility I previously had as it has no damage either.
Or they could add the AOE to Frostcloak and reduce its range to 8 meters.Edited by Drygon on September 20, 2018 7:17PM0 -
RouDeR✭✭✭✭✭
✭Artic Blast as on live is a huge go to tool for me on my Warden Ice tank. I use the AoE Ice damage to proc chilled to then be able to root things in blockade of elements and then too also as my primary self heal.
With these changes, this skill becomes unusable to be as an Ice tank which is incomprehensible honestly. I get that we needed a hard CC again, but this was not the solution imo. At the very, very least, I'd like to see Artic blast not require a target to use for the heal to at least retain some of it's utility.
I've tried using this new version on the PTS and it simply does not fill the role I need it to and it's not like the other morph can give me the same utility I previously had as it has no damage either.
Or they could add the AOE to Frostcloak and reduce its range to 8 meters.
THIS ! , add the AoE dot scaling from max health to Frost Cloak and reduce the radius!0 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Asked for a "unique buff", community provided a crapton of good suggestions, what we get?
Warhorn no longer has minor toughness, along with the further nerfs to pve damage, as if warden wasn't already doing pretty badly, at this point i think zos is trolling us, they don't give a single f, or at least the one making the changes doesn't.
ooohhh, but it's just pts, everything is subject to change..... look, to implement changes like this you just have to not give a f, this is lazy zos, the community provided so many good alternatives to have a good class buff, you didn't even try.
Also, generally nothing really changes much from the pts to live.
I have to correct one thing i said here.
Warden, thanks to the damage passive, actually seem to have got a damage buff, rather than a nerf, the 3% damage per ability slotted, seem to be making more than up for the bear loss, which is good.
But the other points still stand, the minor toughness change is really lazy.0 -
Nevasca✭✭✭✭✭Finally finished my tests.
Magicka Warden dps in PvE is still weaker than other classes by a substantial amount in terms of pure damage, and they don't provide any kind of utility as DPS either, which makes them obsolete. First suggestion that comes to mind is revert bear ult nerf.
Another is to remove the 8% max mag from northern storm(sleet storm morph) and put it in a class passive. One of the only things pets scale is Magicka, It's strange that in order to have access to our max mag bonus, we have to unslot our pet.
Add a synergy to Impaling Shards and it's morphs. Doesn't need to be strong, just give something so Wardens at least help with Alkosh uptime.Edited by Nevasca on September 21, 2018 12:41PM2 -
Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Warden still needs some passives buffs that synergize with builds and skills right now a low stam and mag passive is bout all they get in terms of use.
Also idea since each class has some kinda super must have skill roll wardens lotus together with bird of prey and give warden somthing new in the green skill line1 -
Drygon✭✭✭Mettaricana wrote: »Warden still needs some passives buffs that synergize with builds and skills right now a low stam and mag passive is bout all they get in terms of use.
Also idea since each class has some kinda super must have skill roll wardens lotus together with bird of prey and give warden somthing new in the green skill line
Won't that be too big of a buff for the Bird of Prey?
I think both skills are good as they are right now, we could use a 5 secodns increase on Lotus flower but i still try to promote this ability or something similar as a passive to replace Icy Aura:
Shatter: When you deal critical frost direct damage to an imobilized target, it shatters receaving X DMG and gets debuffed with minor Breach and Minor Fracture for X seconds. This ability can proc once every X seconds. This would buff both magicka warden and PVE warden tanks.Edited by Drygon on September 21, 2018 1:25PM0 -
cwp303b14_ESO✭✭✭I'm not an expert by any means on warden tanking but doesn't the Arctic Blast change remove an important source of minor maim application via the chilled status effect, or at least drastically lower its chance of proccing?
Seems like a bad place to stick the stun. It's now bad at being a reliable heal as well. A poor stonefist imitation.1 -
Nevasca✭✭✭✭✭cwp303b14_ESO wrote: »I'm not an expert by any means on warden tanking but doesn't the Arctic Blast change remove an important source of minor maim application via the chilled status effect, or at least drastically lower its chance of proccing?
Seems like a bad place to stick the stun. It's now bad at being a reliable heal as well. A poor stonefist imitation.
Any tank that is tanking seriously will not be affected by this. Heroic Slash is a much better application of Minor Maim while also giving you Minor Heroism. For AoE, Impaling Shards + Blockade is enough, and you can opt for using Thurvokun as well.
The morph that heals an ally was and is much better on tanks since it actually give you some utility.Edited by Nevasca on September 21, 2018 7:17PM5 -
Rukzadlithau✭✭✭✭Cutting Dive should off balance the target to provide an option for Stamina Wardens to have their native, unique stun.
The morph misses a secondary effect since it has been introduced anyways, and isn‘t really interesting since the dodge adjustmens anymore.0 -
LittlePinkDot✭✭✭✭✭Too many undeserved buffs that will send them into the stratosphere.
Some of those are goods tho, they will make them viable and wanted in PvE both for buffs and damage but also too strong in PvP. Again.
Could you please make a little bit more effort to balance them for PvP while keeping the buffs?
Oh... Im salivating at the thought of pvp with my stam warden.1 -
cwp303b14_ESO✭✭✭Littlebluelizard wrote: »cwp303b14_ESO wrote: »I'm not an expert by any means on warden tanking but doesn't the Arctic Blast change remove an important source of minor maim application via the chilled status effect, or at least drastically lower its chance of proccing?
Seems like a bad place to stick the stun. It's now bad at being a reliable heal as well. A poor stonefist imitation.
Any tank that is tanking seriously will not be affected by this. Heroic Slash is a much better application of Minor Maim while also giving you Minor Heroism. For AoE, Impaling Shards + Blockade is enough, and you can opt for using Thurvokun as well.
The morph that heals an ally was and is much better on tanks since it actually give you some utility.
Again, I'm not well versed on warden tanking but heroic slash is single target so it's resource and time intensive to apply to multiple enemies.
Your other point assumes a S&B + Ice staff setup which means you would need to hybridize your stats and suffer lower damage1 -
Iki✭✭✭cwp303b14_ESO wrote: »Littlebluelizard wrote: »cwp303b14_ESO wrote: »I'm not an expert by any means on warden tanking but doesn't the Arctic Blast change remove an important source of minor maim application via the chilled status effect, or at least drastically lower its chance of proccing?
Seems like a bad place to stick the stun. It's now bad at being a reliable heal as well. A poor stonefist imitation.
Any tank that is tanking seriously will not be affected by this. Heroic Slash is a much better application of Minor Maim while also giving you Minor Heroism. For AoE, Impaling Shards + Blockade is enough, and you can opt for using Thurvokun as well.
The morph that heals an ally was and is much better on tanks since it actually give you some utility.
Again, I'm not well versed on warden tanking but heroic slash is single target so it's resource and time intensive to apply to multiple enemies.
Your other point assumes a S&B + Ice staff setup which means you would need to hybridize your stats and suffer lower damage
Heroic slash is reliable way to apply minor maim to priority targets, those strongest and most dangerous mobs, you do not use it to maim trash mobs. Gripping shards is what warden tank use to control trash mobs and that have chance to apply minor maim, and against trash mobs it`s irrelevant if they get minor maim or not, they should die fast anyways.
Tanks who choose s&b + ice-staff setup can swap to ice-staff and block with magicka if they run low on stamina and elemental blockade is good skill for proccing weapon glyph. Damage output doesn`t matter at all, that`s not tanks job.0 -
DanteYoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Arctic blast has been ruined for me and i use it a lot Dot and heal was pretty handy now i'll just remove the skill completely and use trellis as its a far better heal.
Bear nerf was just stupid as our class doesn't even come close to other classes like nightblade and sorc (even after these nerfs they recieve)
Betty netch is pointless as the thing doesn't last long enough
Frost line does not give back % dps equal where you removed the bear and arctic blast damage, its a complete net loss aka a massive nerf.
I'm considering ending my ESO+ and moving on if these things go live.. i'm tired of having my characters ruined.0 -
DanteYoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »SilverIce58 wrote: »Fethcher Flies - Growing Swarm is the morph nobody uses. Convert it into stamina, poison morph. This will improve stamina aoe capabilities and make the warden more interesting.
Not nobody, I use Growing Swarm. Like i said earlier, its great against trash mobs. Maybe I'd be for making it a stamina ability, but only if it has a lost cost. What it already does + poison sounds pretty nice actually.
The morph nobody should use is the one that has to be cast twice to do maximum damage. It's a dps loss to do so. That's the PVP morph. The one that spreads is ridiculously OP in PVE and also really fun to use with sloads in pvp when countersieging.
Its only good if cast on rats and frogs near enemies, and its damage is still horrendous compared to every other class..So for a Magden what is going to be a cheap self heal without a restro staff?
Living trellis or its other morph.Edited by DanteYoda on September 22, 2018 2:59AM1 -
Nevasca✭✭✭✭✭cwp303b14_ESO wrote: »Littlebluelizard wrote: »cwp303b14_ESO wrote: »I'm not an expert by any means on warden tanking but doesn't the Arctic Blast change remove an important source of minor maim application via the chilled status effect, or at least drastically lower its chance of proccing?
Seems like a bad place to stick the stun. It's now bad at being a reliable heal as well. A poor stonefist imitation.
Any tank that is tanking seriously will not be affected by this. Heroic Slash is a much better application of Minor Maim while also giving you Minor Heroism. For AoE, Impaling Shards + Blockade is enough, and you can opt for using Thurvokun as well.
The morph that heals an ally was and is much better on tanks since it actually give you some utility.
Again, I'm not well versed on warden tanking but heroic slash is single target so it's resource and time intensive to apply to multiple enemies.
Your other point assumes a S&B + Ice staff setup which means you would need to hybridize your stats and suffer lower damage
But you are a tank, why are you worrying about damage? And still, Thurvokun is a nice AoE Minor Maim alternative if you want to keep double S/B. There's plenty of options that does better AoE minor maim than using the old Artic Blast.Arctic blast has been ruined for me and i use it a lot Dot and heal was pretty handy now i'll just remove the skill completely and use trellis as its a far better heal.
Bear nerf was just stupid as our class doesn't even come close to other classes like nightblade and sorc (even after these nerfs they recieve)
Betty netch is pointless as the thing doesn't last long enough
Frost line does not give back % dps equal where you removed the bear and arctic blast damage, its a complete net loss aka a massive nerf.
I'm considering ending my ESO+ and moving on if these things go live.. i'm tired of having my characters ruined.
We actually have the same DPS as live, if not a bit more, tested it myself. They buffed Advanced Species passive, which means they just shifted some power away from the Bear and increased our overall damage. This is awesome because Magden was forced into using the Bear, but now you don't feel crippled when you have to drop it because of certain fights mechanics. Basically you will deal about 1k less DPS when you are not using the bear, where as before you would lose 3-4k DPS.
Betty Netch buff is really nice. And it lasts for 27 seconds at rank IV, how is that a short duration? That's almost as long as Rapids buff, and Betty is free. I recommend you going to PTS and give it a try, it's definitly a noticeable difference.
Artic Blast was never a DPS skill to begin with since it scales with your health. You shouldn't lose any damage on this patch, you should see a substancial increase in DPS if you're playing PvP since you don't use the Bear there.Edited by Nevasca on September 22, 2018 3:45AM3 -
Destary✭✭✭CHANGE ICE FORTRESS APPARENCE PLZ IT'S SO UGLY !!
Buffs and skills of warden are so much invasive, reallyEdited by Destary on September 22, 2018 5:18PM1 -
Destary✭✭✭
I find this skill is too much invasive, i think if they do like the DK buff that will be better and more esthetic. And it's taste, we don't have same
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Anhedonie✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭CHANGE ICE FORTRESS APPARENCE PLZ IT'S SO UGLY !!
Buffs and skills of warden are so much invasive, really
while we're at it, devs could also rework Scorch animation. It's bad and lazy. Static shalk. So much better than Haj-Mota they used to have, yeah,right....
Edited by Anhedonie on September 22, 2018 7:45PMProfanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.3 -
Drygon✭✭✭
This, i can't agree with this more, i refuse and will continue to refuse to use shalks no matter how good they are due to the horrible animation. It makes no sense. Just look at how cool the animations of the wardens in the Horns of the reach are, and they are NPC. They could have made the bugs swarm underground and erupt as a swarm in front of the player in a cone or something. Came this one the spot, lots of great ideas that would have kept the same functionality of the skill could have been made. OR instead of coming from underground they could have made the delay represent a charge and when it ends, we would hold out our hand straight and instantly throw a fast swarm of bugs. There took the 1 minute to think of those.Edited by Drygon on September 22, 2018 9:06PM2 -
TiZzA93✭✭✭I would LOVE if they would revert the arctic blast morph BUT do this instead:
arctic blast is now the base morph
arctic wind morph now deals damage based off magika/spell damage
polar wind now stuns ur target for 2 secs and gives minor maim OR snare 40% for 4 sec this ability no longer heals
ALSO another option revert arctic blast still and do this:
both shalk morphs grant off balance for 3 sec this effect can occur ONCE every ten secs
both dive morphs now stun the target for 2 secs if the target was already off balance
PLS CHANGE BEAR TO 15% NERF INSTEAD I PAYED EXTRA FOR GREY FUR JUST TO BE PURE BEAR BUILD ON 1 MY TOONS!1 -
Lughlongarm✭✭✭✭✭Some good changes, but I think the winter's Embrace change is very clunky. Combining a stun application skill with a very expensive healing skill oriented for tanks, is very weird. We should use it when we want to stun or when we want to heal? Also making a healing skill to require a target just doeskin feel right... Can't you just add the forst AOE damage to pollar wind(both healing and damage base on max health) and make Arctic wind skill a stun with a frost dot that scale based on max magicka or delayed damage at the end of the stun?3
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Destary✭✭✭@ZOS_MikaS
Change Ice Fortress apparence plz, it's so ugly !
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Still nothing for wardens. Thanks.
I always sit on my chair and think why would you keep nerfing the useless bear ultimate. We slot it on both bar, but bear is so slow and has tons of bugs (disappearing in combat, stucking somewhere etc.). Also it so easy to dodge bear cuz it has to run and catch the enemy first. Instead of bring some good features to make it usefull (jump-leap on enemy animation) you are nerfing its damage 30%. My mind is not able to accept this. Whoever is managing the class balance things he/she must be joking to us. There is no other explaination.
@ZOS_GinaBruno
From a PVE perspective stamden is great. Warden performs well in PVP too. Dunno what is wrong with their stam adjustments.
Magicka warden is the problem. Were bad in PvE before. Just got even worse.Edited by MLGProPlayer on September 23, 2018 4:45PM2 -
SilverIce58✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@ZOS_MikaS
Change Ice Fortress apparence plz, it's so ugly !
Buffs and skills of warden are so much invasive, really
I like the appearance of the ice fortress skill. Makes me feel like an Ice King.PC - NACP 1125
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Destary✭✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »@ZOS_MikaS
Change Ice Fortress apparence plz, it's so ugly !
Buffs and skills of warden are so much invasive, really
I like the appearance of the ice fortress skill. Makes me feel like an Ice King.
Sure, the crown is really good, but legs and arms aren't at all, so much invasive i think1