Shields casting time IS NOT ONE SECOND
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JadonSky✭✭✭✭✭Unsubscribed - Thanks for killing my only PVP class that I liked. Allowing crit on shields I was ok with but adding a channel makes them basically unusable. I love how you think adding additional shield time will help. Iv never been in battle where my shield lasted longer then 2 seconds. Only time it ever reached the full 6 second duration was if I casted it by accident while roaming. Guess I will just have to make a NB ganker like everyone else.14 -
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Evilspock✭✭✭✭It is a horrible change.
One second to cast a shield to defend yourself is not acceptable in a fast phased combat system.
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Freddycruz89✭✭✭Kingslayer513 wrote: »Literally what defense are magsorcs supposed to use in PVP now? What is intended by ZOS? Am I just AP fodder?
Unsubbing if this goes live.
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Freddycruz89✭✭✭To all the QQ unsubscribing over a much needed nerf to forever tank builds:
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✭LadyNalcarya wrote: »
Great...Stunned and Off Balance when interrupted too
So a mellee player can predict this, interrupt, you are stunned/offbalance, DK Powerlash, NB another element to stunlock you. etc...
game over if this goes live...
You don't even have to anticipate any of it. Why would you when the opponent is basically crippled casting 1 second long spell.Imperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel0 -
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Venscal✭✭✭Has anyone tested all shields to see if they have a cast time attached?
SKILLS WITH A DAMAGE SHIELD
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Damage Shield Hardened Armor
Damage Shield Ferocious Leap
Damage Shield Obsidian Shield
SORCERER
Damage Shield Conjured Ward
TEMPLAR
Damage Shield Sun Shield
1 HAND & SHIELD
Damage Shield Shielded Assault
RESTORATION STAFF
Damage Shield Steadfast Ward
LIGHT ARMOR
Damage Shield Annulment
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Damage Shield Bone Shield
ALLIANCE WAR – SUPPORT
Damage Shield Barrier
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✭BigBadVolk wrote: »Lieblingsjunge wrote: »Lieblingsjunge wrote: »First PTS Natch Potes Cycle. People losing their minds.
Can yah'll just calm your tatas and not lose your minds?
It's not gonna be as bad as it sounds, geez. Sorcs thought the world died when shields' duration was reduced to 6s. Sorcs thought the world died when Rune Cage was made dodge-able. Did it? No.
Now you just can't stand in the middle of a field shield-stacking like a baws, now you actually gotta use your (hopefully) existing brain and LoS / Kite.
No offense Lieb, you know there is none towards you. I daresay this isn’t quite so depressing when in a ZS level group. If I have a pocket Templar right next to me, no worries. But solo? No way this is going to fly. By the way, nobody was standing in the field face tanking anyone in Sotha. LoS and Kite you say? If they had unnerfed Streak to compensate maybe. But this?
I'm just feeding on sorc tears and slowly igniting the fires, it's k. I do have a certain reputation to live up to(I'm a sandWITCH after all).
Solo is dead. Just look at the sets they're adding in. Solo will die with this patch. Might as well realise it and keep playing Sorc in smallscale etc. Where the shield-prob won't be as obvious
solo bombing will survive
Still paranoid!!!!
xD That was a glorious bomb, though.Lieblingsjunge wrote: »Lieblingsjunge wrote: »First PTS Natch Potes Cycle. People losing their minds.
Can yah'll just calm your tatas and not lose your minds?
It's not gonna be as bad as it sounds, geez. Sorcs thought the world died when shields' duration was reduced to 6s. Sorcs thought the world died when Rune Cage was made dodge-able. Did it? No.
Now you just can't stand in the middle of a field shield-stacking like a baws, now you actually gotta use your (hopefully) existing brain and LoS / Kite.
No offense Lieb, you know there is none towards you. I daresay this isn’t quite so depressing when in a ZS level group. If I have a pocket Templar right next to me, no worries. But solo? No way this is going to fly. By the way, nobody was standing in the field face tanking anyone in Sotha. LoS and Kite you say? If they had unnerfed Streak to compensate maybe. But this?
I'm just feeding on sorc tears and slowly igniting the fires, it's k. I do have a certain reputation to live up to(I'm a sandWITCH after all).
Solo is dead. Just look at the sets they're adding in. Solo will die with this patch. Might as well realise it and keep playing Sorc in smallscale etc. Where the shield-prob won't be as obvious
I remember the patch when Sorcs were negate monkeys. No thanks. If I want to play in a group I’ll choose another char and bring more to the table than just negate.
Sorcs are useful way past their negates. They offer so much more than that, but(now tha the Natch potes are a couple of days old, and I had my giggling fun, it's time to be reasonable). This shield-change will [snip] the sorcs in our raid over too, so it's not just solo-sorcs that'll struggle. Also PvE will be gravely affected, which makes stuff like e.g. Vma impossible, unless you run resto staff with a healing ward.
Although, I think Zenimax realised that there *was* an issue when you could get a 30k shield on top of a 20k health bar and with EG/sustain sets, still time your delayed burst and still kill people efficiently. I don't agree with the way they do it. Removing "Bastion" CP and not letting a light armour shield stack with e.g. Conjured Ward or Bone Shield, and make'm critable would go a long way. (The crit-change and added resistances evens each other out mostly).
They could've just removed Bastion CP and make shields critable. That alone would go a long, long way to get rid of the insanity that the shields offered(both pve and pvp).Ignorance is the greatest weapon of tyranny.
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Heymexa✭✭✭1. Canceled the renewal of the subscription.
2. I go 1 time per day, I do crafting quests and go out of the game.
3. If the developers do not cancel the casting time of the magic shields, I say goodbye to the game.
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JadonSky✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_RobGarrett wrote: »Hey all,
Just wanted to let you know we've been monitoring the feedback on this thread and elsewhere on the forums. Clearly there's a lot of concern around the impact of adding a cast time to Conjured Ward and Annulment.
First I'd like to talk about our motivation with the change. We believe choices between damage output and survivability make combat more interesting. There are a number of areas within our system that could better adhere to this philosophy, but these self-cast damage shield abilities stood out as being particularly out of line. It was too easy to throw a bunch of effective health on yourself while making a minimal sacrifice in terms of DPS itemization and rotation. This applied to both PvE and PvP scenarios.
The addition of a cast time makes that choice between damage output and survivability more deliberate and strategic. However, as many of you have pointed out, there are several potential issues with this solution. We identified many of these risks prior to PTS, and we're actively monitoring feedback from the community, Class Reps, and PTS testers.
If we decide to make significant changes to the abilities, those changes would not appear until at least PTS 3. However, we agree Conjured Ward and Annulment are too easy to interrupt in PvP, so we'll be making both spells immune to interrupts for PTS 2. We'll also be meeting with the Class Reps next week to discuss the changes.
In the meantime, we encourage you to continue experimenting, evaluating, and providing feedback.
Here is their response. Basically in summary "We are glad you provided feedback and proof on how shield cast time ruins the sorc class and does not work for how the combat system works in ESO. But to bad so sad get over it, we will make some tweaks that we will think will make it work instead of admitting we were wrong. Once again glad we could not care about your feedback. Please provide more feedback that we won't listen too."
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wuka91✭✭Lieblingsjunge wrote: »First PTS Natch Potes Cycle. People losing their minds.
Can yah'll just calm your tatas and not lose your minds?
It's not gonna be as bad as it sounds, geez. Sorcs thought the world died when shields' duration was reduced to 6s. Sorcs thought the world died when Rune Cage was made dodge-able. Did it? No.
Now you just can't stand in the middle of a field shield-stacking like a baws, now you actually gotta use your (hopefully) existing brain and LoS / Kite.
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✭ruikkarikun wrote: »I tried on PTS. It's absolutely disgusting, awful, not comfortable. It's more then ONE SECOND, MORE LIKE THREE OR MORE SECONDS.
Animation canceling not work. So vigor you can cast instant yes?
Revert it back.
You won ok. Make sorc dead at PVP, but back instant shield cast wtf, it's NOT COMFORTABLE TO PLAY I WANT TO QUIT, DON'T WANT TO PLAY PVE, DON'T WANT TO BUY YOUR DLC, CROWNS, GL.
Vigor is an HOT. It's not an instant cast full heal ability.
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✭✭Practically all, if not all, castable abilities take longer on the first cast than stated in the tooltip. If you spam shield, it should be quicker after the first cast.
More generally, I think the nerf was brought on by effectiveness in both PvP and PvE. However, I think the solution they chose was due to PvE. The correct answer for PvP would be to simply base shield effectiveness on health and use progressive scaling or something along those lines. But they clearly want the size of the shield to stay the same, ostensibly for those big hits in PvE.
The result is that it destroys the shield in PvP.
Outside of 1v1, standing around for 1+ seconds is not much different than jumping into slaughterfish. If on the offense, you might miss the fight... Even when that is not the case, PvP is fluid and fights move over terrain quickly, even moreso since the addition of Swift.
So, I don't think there has ever been a time since early release where castable abilities were quite as worthless in PvP, and they haven't had alot of worth in PvP at any point in the game (other than to farm pugs).
I'm not posting to argue that shields do or don't need a nerf, but just to argue that the way it is being nerfed ensures that it will be gone from PvP. It will clearly still be good in certain situations but nobody has space on their bar for niche skills.2 -
vovus69✭✭✭✭yeah, this looks shittier and shittier each update they are doing... May be this is the time to check for other MMOs with comparable graphics... Any other MMO you guys are playing with similar graphics?
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✭They are losing subs faster than they want anyways or why do you think there is an event every 2 weeks?
Do you think its to give back to the community?
Nah its just a Desperation Act for more Subscribers and Whales to Invest into the game / crowns...
Personally im done with this game, there are so many better options out there if you are seeking for MMOs with PvP Content... im not gonna name any because that might fall under advertisement and get this post deleted
Edited by ATomiX96 on September 20, 2018 9:01PM2 -
ErMurazor✭✭✭✭✭Lol, sorcs been easymode for years, now when sorcs have to start to actually put some effort into their play they start to cry like spoiled babys2
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Nicko_Lps✭✭✭✭✭Lol, sorcs been easymode for years, now when sorcs have to start to actually put some effort into their play they start to cry like spoiled babys
You sound like the typical tank duo that tries to gank me and when fails whispers me same useless garbage like easy mode while they wear heavy armors and hide behind shields that mitigate 90% of the dmg when block.
Im sure you never knew it, but a magsorc that kills any class atm uses alot more skill than you. Since magsorc is by far the most nerfed class in the game.
I bet 100% that youre a tankling on heavy armor that is ignored by sorcs and he rage on forums.6 -
visionality✭✭✭✭✭Unsubscribed - Thanks for killing my only PVP class that I liked. Allowing crit on shields I was ok with but adding a channel makes them basically unusable. I love how you think adding additional shield time will help. Iv never been in battle where my shield lasted longer then 2 seconds. Only time it ever reached the full 6 second duration was if I casted it by accident while roaming. Guess I will just have to make a NB ganker like everyone else.
90% agree. Unsubscribed 2 days ago. Not even ok with crit damage on shields when shields themselves cannot crit. Tested shieldcast time on PTS and it's 2-3 seconds per shield, not 1 - in NONLAG conditions. Wont buy any *** about 'we adapt to players feedback, so casttimes on shields will not interruptable due to players reques'. If ZOS wants to destroy dps-magsorcs, well, let them be dead. We cannot stop a company that obviously does not care an inkling about its own game.
Stamblade ganker is up and ready to kill the last magsorcs in PVP next patch (with no subscription=no income to ZOS). Happy to see the forums bleed and ZOS nerf the next class because they are too stupid to do anything positive for their own product.Edited by visionality on September 20, 2018 10:40PM7 -
BalticBlues✭✭✭✭✭
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Fixed that for you. There is a reason a majority of people play NB:Lol, NBs been easymode for years
- cloaking for ganking and easy escapes
- highest DPS and sustain
- self-healing,
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....NBs have everything...
Sorcs were the only class coming close with help of shields and streaks for mitigation.
Therefore, some NBs hate Sorcs, constantly asking for nerfs - and getting them:
Shields got shorter, streaks received cost penalties, frags lost CC etc. etc.
...while NBs still can cloak forever and do not have any cast times...
But this time devs completely went overboard, transforming Sorcs into Target Dummies.
So when will there be a equivalent cast time and cost penalties for Cloaking?
So that NBs also "have to start to actually put some effort into their play"?
Edited by BalticBlues on September 20, 2018 10:48PM5 -
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✭✭Can't they just make you immune to be interrupted while channeling or something?PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
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Devs already said they will do this. But I doubt this will help much. As the OP tested it, due to lag and server calculations, the cast time is not just one second, it is "more like three or more seconds". As a result, casting a shield is like casting "Time Freeze" from the Psijics - but casting it on yourself, so that you will become a Target Dummy.OrphanHelgen wrote: »Can't they just make you immune to be interrupted while channeling or something?2 -
ErMurazor✭✭✭✭✭Lol, sorcs been easymode for years, now when sorcs have to start to actually put some effort into their play they start to cry like spoiled babys
You sound like the typical tank duo that tries to gank me and when fails whispers me same useless garbage like easy mode while they wear heavy armors and hide behind shields that mitigate 90% of the dmg when block.
Im sure you never knew it, but a magsorc that kills any class atm uses alot more skill than you. Since magsorc is by far the most nerfed class in the game.
I bet 100% that youre a tankling on heavy armor that is ignored by sorcs and he rage on forums.
Most nerfed class in the game?!?! Hahahaha, its been practically untouched except the last dics. Oh the tears, keep em flowing. I can tell you never played any other class, welcome to the real world...
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✭Lol, sorcs been easymode for years, now when sorcs have to start to actually put some effort into their play they start to cry like spoiled babys
You sound like the typical tank duo that tries to gank me and when fails whispers me same useless garbage like easy mode while they wear heavy armors and hide behind shields that mitigate 90% of the dmg when block.
Im sure you never knew it, but a magsorc that kills any class atm uses alot more skill than you. Since magsorc is by far the most nerfed class in the game.
I bet 100% that youre a tankling on heavy armor that is ignored by sorcs and he rage on forums.
Most nerfed class in the game?!?! Hahahaha, its been practically untouched except the last dics. Oh the tears, keep em flowing. I can tell you never played any other class, welcome to the real world...
It is the most nerfed classEdited by bardx86 on September 20, 2018 11:45PM1 -
SmackNCheese✭✭✭The issue is that this game will always have latency. So while it may not be 3 seconds, the shield channel taking 10% longer than intended because of the server is rough at best. If the channel took .25 or .5 seconds latency would leave it at ~.4 or .7 per cast. But that’d still be better than 110% of the intended duration being applied at every cast.NA Mag Player1 -
ErMurazor✭✭✭✭✭Lol, sorcs been easymode for years, now when sorcs have to start to actually put some effort into their play they start to cry like spoiled babys
You sound like the typical tank duo that tries to gank me and when fails whispers me same useless garbage like easy mode while they wear heavy armors and hide behind shields that mitigate 90% of the dmg when block.
Im sure you never knew it, but a magsorc that kills any class atm uses alot more skill than you. Since magsorc is by far the most nerfed class in the game.
I bet 100% that youre a tankling on heavy armor that is ignored by sorcs and he rage on forums.
Most nerfed class in the game?!?! Hahahaha, its been practically untouched except the last dics. Oh the tears, keep em flowing. I can tell you never played any other class, welcome to the real world...
It is the most nerfed class
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✭And now you know why they are giving away murkmire as a daily reward. They knew the backlash this was going to create so to keep the numbers fluffed they added a quarterly dlc to the prizes.
Makes sense now huh3
