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Shield Nerfs Are For Real This Time

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Valrien
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"Finally, we have made a series of broad changes to ESO’s combat that are designed to help balance sustain across all Classes, provide counterplay opportunities for Damage Shield Abilities, and improve the effectiveness of Light and Medium Armor Passives."
"provide counterplay opportunities for Damage Shield Abilities"
"counterplay...Damage Shield"

GG, ZOS. Time to finally reroll Stam Sorc after 4.5 years, seeing as they somehow believe shields can't be countered already.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/54803
Edited by Valrien on September 13, 2018 4:23PM
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  • Didgerion
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    I hope they also add alternative play opportunities to classes that totally rely on shields.
  • weedgenius
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    "broad changes" "balance sustain" I'm scared...
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  • Zardayne
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    Didgerion wrote: »
    I hope they also add alternative play opportunities to classes that totally rely on shields.

    I'll second that since they are getting so anti-CC too. As a cloth wear I need to be able to absorb some damage or control and kite the attacker. Without a solid, reliable version of either of those I'm toast.
    Edited by Zardayne on September 13, 2018 4:49PM
  • goldenarcher1
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    weedgenius wrote: »
    "broad changes" "balance sustain" I'm scared...

    Lol!

    As with most updates,i'm hyped and nervous in equal measure.
  • Valrien
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    weedgenius wrote: »
    "broad changes" "balance sustain" I'm scared...

    This is ZOS we're talking about. They don't know any kind of change BUT broad changes.

    Their whole method of balancing is "change everything, wait 3 months, and change everything again"
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    Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)
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  • MLGProPlayer
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    Any nerf to shields will instantly make magicka classes useless in endgame content. Then ZOS will take a year, at least, to rectify their mistake. Shields are the only way for magicka classes to avoid damage since they don't have enough stamina to actively block/dodge, nor do they have evasion.

    Rather than nerfing magicka survivability, they should be buffing stamina survivability, or buffing their DPS to compensate for their lower survivability.
    Edited by MLGProPlayer on September 13, 2018 4:47PM
  • Dracane
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    They will likely make it like it used to be before the game was released. That damage shields can not be refreshed.
    They have to be destroyed first or run out, before you can recast them. That would allow for very easy counterplay. Just bring it to 1k and then burst the caster.

    But as always, ZoS hasn't thought this through. All this does, is make single shields again, more useless. You can work around this by having more than 1 shield. But those who tried to play fair, with only 1 shield, your time is over. And again all they achieve, is forcing people into shield stacking.
    Edited by Dracane on September 13, 2018 4:46PM
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  • Guppet
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    They just need to make it at buff, so no stacking.

    You can’t cast multiple heals at the same time. But you can have multiple shields for silly values.
  • TequilaFire
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    Yeah did they improve sustain on classes or nerf the classes with decent sustain already.
    Smacks enemy 1 time, puff, puff waits for resources. :D
    Edited by TequilaFire on September 13, 2018 4:48PM
  • Tryxus
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    "... to help balance sustain across all Classes,..."

    I'm getting Morrowind flashbacks...
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  • BuddyAces
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    Tryxus wrote: »
    "... to help balance sustain across all Classes,..."

    I'm getting Morrowind flashbacks...

    Hands down the dumbest thing ever implemented in this game. How folks even thought that was a good idea is just baffling. Yet here I still am.
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  • Haashhtaag
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    Sorcs just me getting the Cleveland steamer.
  • Strider__Roshin
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    Oh no! Now you might actually have to put a heal on your bar like everyone else!

    I'm looking forward to see how they intend on improving everyone's sustain. I'm curious to see what kind of changes they're doing to light and medium armor as well.
  • Haashhtaag
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    Daus wrote: »
    Oh no! Now you might actually have to put a heal on your bar like everyone else!

    I'm looking forward to see how they intend on improving everyone's sustain. I'm curious to see what kind of changes they're doing to light and medium armor as well.

    I wouldn’t mind doing that but give a heal as good as vigor.
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    Guppet wrote: »
    They just need to make it at buff, so no stacking.

    You can’t cast multiple heals at the same time. But you can have multiple shields for silly values.

    You can cast multiple heals, what are you talking about?
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    Daus wrote: »
    Oh no! Now you might actually have to put a heal on your bar like everyone else!

    I'm looking forward to see how they intend on improving everyone's sustain. I'm curious to see what kind of changes they're doing to light and medium armor as well.

    It's not about healing, it's about avoiding damage.

    Magicka characters can only block or dodge 2x before hitting 0 stamina, and with no stamina regen, it's a while before they can do either again. They also don't have evasion for passive damage mitigation.

    Shields are the only thing that lets magicka characters survive in endgame content.
    Edited by MLGProPlayer on September 13, 2018 5:02PM
  • Valrien
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    Daus wrote: »
    Oh no! Now you might actually have to put a heal on your bar like everyone else!

    I'm looking forward to see how they intend on improving everyone's sustain. I'm curious to see what kind of changes they're doing to light and medium armor as well.

    What heals exactly…?
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    Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)
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  • coop500
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    I hope it won't be a bunch more nerfs... I've seen enough nerfs over the last few patches
    Hoping for more playable races
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    Haashhtaag wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    Oh no! Now you might actually have to put a heal on your bar like everyone else!

    I'm looking forward to see how they intend on improving everyone's sustain. I'm curious to see what kind of changes they're doing to light and medium armor as well.

    I wouldn’t mind doing that but give a heal as good as vigor.

    Every magicka class has strong healing; including sorcs. The only issue with the one sorcs have is that you need to double bar it which I do consider to be unfair. With the much needed nerf to shields coming I hope they redo the Blood Magic passive, and make it so all class abilities function similar to Puncturing Sweeps, and heal you for a % of the damage done. The magsorc play style is an aggressive one so it would suit the play style.
    Edited by Strider__Roshin on September 13, 2018 5:04PM
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    Finally, We all know it was the reason why healers were no needed in dungeons and raid ... Somone said magNB ? Lol no they are fine.
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  • Valrien
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    Daus wrote: »
    Haashhtaag wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    Oh no! Now you might actually have to put a heal on your bar like everyone else!

    I'm looking forward to see how they intend on improving everyone's sustain. I'm curious to see what kind of changes they're doing to light and medium armor as well.

    I wouldn’t mind doing that but give a heal as good as vigor.

    Every magicka class has strong healing; including sorcs. The only issue with the one sorcs have is that you need to double bar it which I do consider to be unfair. With the much needed nerf to shields coming I hope they redo the Blood Magic passive, and make it so all class abilities function similar to Puncturing Sweeps, and heal you for a % of the damage done. The magsorc play style is an aggressive one so it would suit the play style.

    I'd either be okay with this, or simply a Dark Magic spam ability

    Good buff
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    Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)
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  • Didgerion
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    Valrien wrote: »
    "Finally, we have made a series of broad changes to ESO’s combat that are designed to help balance sustain across all Classes, provide counterplay opportunities for Damage Shield Abilities, and improve the effectiveness of Light and Medium Armor Passives."
    "provide counterplay opportunities for Damage Shield Abilities"
    "counterplay...Damage Shield"

    GG, ZOS. Time to finally reroll Stam Sorc after 4.5 years, seeing as they somehow believe shields can't be countered already.

    https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/54803

    Why stam sorc?
    You won't connect your Dizzying Swing with anything that knows how to PVP.
    I'd say roll a stam sorc only if ZOS adds a surprise attack equivalent to sorc class.
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    Daus wrote: »
    Haashhtaag wrote: »
    Daus wrote: »
    Oh no! Now you might actually have to put a heal on your bar like everyone else!

    I'm looking forward to see how they intend on improving everyone's sustain. I'm curious to see what kind of changes they're doing to light and medium armor as well.

    I wouldn’t mind doing that but give a heal as good as vigor.

    Every magicka class has strong healing; including sorcs. The only issue with the one sorcs have is that you need to double bar it which I do consider to be unfair. With the much needed nerf to shields coming I hope they redo the Blood Magic passive, and make it so all class abilities function similar to Puncturing Sweeps, and heal you for a % of the damage done. The magsorc play style is an aggressive one so it would suit the play style.

    No one is going to double bar matriarch in pve or pvp because bar space is a premium in both facets of the game for sorc. Puncturing sweeps heal is a complete joke of a heal In Pvp. Needing shields is going to completely screw end game pve especially considering the damage these dungeons and trials are putting out.
    Edited by Haashhtaag on September 13, 2018 5:11PM
  • Arciris
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    Guppet wrote: »
    They just need to make it at buff, so no stacking.

    You can’t cast multiple heals at the same time. But you can have multiple shields for silly values.

    You can never cast 2 abilities at the same time you know, internal cooldown... And you can definitely have multiple HoT's ticking on you at the same time and then have a burst heal at the same time (example: vigor tick + rally burst).
    Shield counter is a L2P issue really.
  • Valrien
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    Didgerion wrote: »
    Valrien wrote: »
    "Finally, we have made a series of broad changes to ESO’s combat that are designed to help balance sustain across all Classes, provide counterplay opportunities for Damage Shield Abilities, and improve the effectiveness of Light and Medium Armor Passives."
    "provide counterplay opportunities for Damage Shield Abilities"
    "counterplay...Damage Shield"

    GG, ZOS. Time to finally reroll Stam Sorc after 4.5 years, seeing as they somehow believe shields can't be countered already.

    https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/54803

    Why stam sorc?
    You won't connect your Dizzying Swing with anything that knows how to PVP.
    I'd say roll a stam sorc only if ZOS adds a surprise attack equivalent to sorc class.

    Then...don't use Dizzy?

    A lot of Stam Sorcs use DoT builds and spam Steel Tornado or...more rarely, Rapid Strikes.
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  • Kagukan
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    "provide counterplay opportunities for Damage Shield Abilities" can mean a lot of different things. Hopefully the changes are not too bad because my squishy sorc needs his damage shields. Also says changes to light and medium passives so we shall see I guess.
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    Guppet wrote: »
    They just need to make it at buff, so no stacking.

    You can’t cast multiple heals at the same time. But you can have multiple shields for silly values.

    Of course you can, it's called hots. C'mon now
  • adeptusminor
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    Really sounds like they should just balance PvE and PvP separately.
  • Hurtfan
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    Getting tired of nerfs, but will wait to see how they are going to even the playing field regarding damage shields. Now I'm going to have to carry a resto staff and slot a healing ability when skill slots are scarce as it is?

    I don't want to have to do this, my magsorc is a damage dealer, not a healer.

    I know some builds already involve resto skills, but not mine lol...
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  • ZarkingFrued
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    Why did I ever even make a mag sorc? People dont know how to play against them so naturally Zos nerfs them. Screw over shields, and everyone may as well delete sorc. Hands down
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