Shield Nerfs Are For Real This Time

ezio45

can they just release the patch notes already.... just sitting around pissed off is getting annoying

Lord_Wrath

All this ruckus and we dont even know whats going on yet lol

Were all betting money that its generally going to be something annoying that nobody asked for, who can blame? But if its advertised in the article then maybe it can be some good news?

I have always been a sorc due to RL and gametime, im still annoyed at the shield duration nerf but I deal with it. Ill deal with whatever comes next. I dont claim to be the best magsorc but im far from the worst, but I hope its not a nerf because we have plenty of weakpoints as many have pointed out already.

Dracane

19MR 7mps
31mr

ezio45 wrote: »

can they just release the patch notes already.... just sitting around pissed off is getting annoying

Lots of distraction methods will be required, if I want to endure all monday long until it finally, possibly happens.

Kadoin

lassitershawn wrote: »

Regarding shields and sorcs in particular for both PvE and PvP:

PvE:
Shields are not the reason healers are excluded in dungeons. The reasons are that most challenging mechanics are oneshots that a healer cannot help with and magblade off healing. 1-2 magblades with refreshing/funnel and you barely have to shield at all even in vet DLC dungeons. Take FL and SCP HM for example. The most challenging mechanics are arguably the poison cones and ghosts which a healer cannot help with. More DPS in these fights ensure you deal with less of these. Collosi heavies in FL? Same thing. Shields do nothing against these. Whatever chip damage you might take is easily shrugged off by NB off heals. NBs also need healers less because they give themselves minor berserk and have crazy OP sustain. Magblades have killed the need for healers in dungeons and for themselves and to a large extent their group. Regarding raids, it isn’t primarily shields that invalidate stam in the newest two trials, it is that melee. If you look at ideal vMOL and vHoF comps, you actually want a majority of stam (only NBs ofc tho). The newest two trials have mechanics that invalidate stam because it is MELEE (and also to some extent NB off heals, especially in vCR). Shields are not the biggest part of the equation. Even when vCR added high damage going through shields you still want mag for range and magblades for off heals, esp in downgroup.

PvP:
Honestly, I’d rather fight a good mag player (sorcs included) using shields than a good stam player any day of the week. There are a lot of misconceptions and some technically true things (completely ignoring context) used to attack shields that are unfair at best. Shields aren’t affected by penetration. Shields don’t have armor. Shields can’t be crit. They can’t crit. Also most magsorcs still run a lot of impen (I run 7) not all divines like some people like to spew. Shields can’t be defiled. They don’t get major mending. Shields scale off main offensive stat (so do heals and so does dodge roll). Additionally if you stack mag you miss out on SD, which is stronger offensively. And newsflash, good sorc builds aren’t stacking offensive sets. Arguably the most common sorc build is monster of choice (often not even an offensive monster set), 5pc shackle, 5pc lich, asylum/master. Shackle and lich are a pretty far cry from offensive sets. But sorcs have heals too! Yeah, double barred heals that can be killed. If it’s killed, you often don’t notice and it can be a pita to resummon. Also, most sorcs hate pets with a passion. Blood magic is utter trash. Sorc damage isn’t even that high, I feel much more pressured fighting stam than magsorcs even as a Breton in light armor with more CP devoted to physical resist. Sorc burst takes significant time and RNG to set up and is highly telegraphed. Additionally, like all classes, sorcs have their own set of weaknesses. No native pen, few native major/minor buffs. Complete lack of other forms of defense besides heals (already addressed) such as reflects or purges or snare removal. Magicka in general except magblade lacks the major evasion that provides VERY nice free mitigation. Magicka in general lacks good resists and typically Magicka runs less HP (by virtue of set bonuses and HP not synergizing with shields). Streak is nice for quick repositioning and the stun but magsorc isn’t noticeably more mobile than stam in general and lack of base speed makes los difficult.

Not only do shields have several hard-counters, they aren’t even that hard to deal with in the first place. Just do non-potato levels of damage at the right time combined with a CC.

Nerfing shields will do almost nothing for stam or healers in PvE, and will substantially weaken Magicka and magsorcs in particular relative to stam in PvP.

You don't get it...most of the people that cant break damage shields run heavy armor builds that are more tank-like than damage dealers and are mad that their damage that can handle most of Cyrodil can't handle everyone. "OMG I should be super tanky, have super sustain, have super heals, and super damage."

I have several classes and different builds and most of them are close to "balanced" when you talk about healing, sustain, heals, and damage, and some are even hybrids, yet even I don't whine about damage shields and have little to no problem stripping them. Is it annoying, yes? Is it impossible to destroy them? No. Do I always destroy them and win ez mode? No. And I find that okay because I know that to my enemies I'm just as annoying as they are to me. I'm sure many people feel the same way...

So who is really complaining? It must be someone playing a tank and doing DPS (only stam can do this well in this patch)...Unsurprisingly, I'll bet the same people crying about shielding are crying about healing and the defile change. I'm sure they want balance...But I don't care because if its a stupid change, I'll just go stam or even better: go hybrid and use a completely disgusting build. And there are many for hybrids

Dracane

ezio45 wrote: »

can they just release the patch notes already.... just sitting around pissed off is getting annoying

Lots of distraction methods will be required, if I want to endure all monday long until it finally, possibly happens.[/quote]

Drakkdjinn

MagDK's be like

hero2zer0

I really want to believe they will redesign the whole shielding system to something which is more fun, easier to sustain (having to recast a shield every 6 seconds is annoying) while also making it counterable in a way that doesn’t completely break the whole concept. I really want to stay optimistic, please make it so!

Juhasow

Dracane wrote: »

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Sheilds are a pretty big advantage for mag users in PVE as the mechanics often include big, unavoidable, AOE damage that exceeds everybodies health pool even with stams bigger armor mitigation. They are also vital in many utility rolls such as backroom in vMoL where builds must mitigate damage but often have no heals that do not require doing damage. Of course, stam toons need only slot vigor for this and no equivalent universal good HoT exists for magica. Will we get a magica morph of vigor?

The problem with stamina builds being swept away by boss AoEs or being forced to get distance, could easily be solved by improving shuffle to give 80% aoe reduction for 3 seconds or so. So people have a reason to slot it in pve, like light armor users are usually forced to slot their armor ability and stamina builds could easily tank through those aoes.

It fits perfectly. Light armor would be 1 shot after any attack, so their armor gives them a shield to survive that and medium armor is being killed by huge Aoe bursts and shuffle should protect them from that.

Blade Cloak is actually doing very decent job at protecting stam DDs from AoE dmg.

Juhasow

It's actually funny how thread about changes that are not even known yet reached 15 pages in 3 days

TequilaFire

Juhasow wrote: »

It's actually funny how thread about changes that are not even known yet reached 15 pages in 3 days

It's because SORC - Sorcerer Over Reacting Club had a membership drive giving out free milk and cookies.

ezio45

can they just release the patch notes already.... just sitting around pissed off is getting annoying

TequilaFire wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

It's actually funny how thread about changes that are not even known yet reached 15 pages in 3 days

It's because SORC - Sorcerer Over Reacting Club had a membership drive giving out free milk and cookies.

nah its cuz ZOS: Zenemax's Obvious Screwups

we all know by now this is gunna get screwed up hardcore

ezio45

ezio45 wrote: »

can they just release the patch notes already.... just sitting around pissed off is getting annoying

TequilaFire wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

It's actually funny how thread about changes that are not even known yet reached 15 pages in 3 days

It's because SORC - Sorcerer Over Reacting Club had a membership drive giving out free milk and cookies.

nah its cuz ZOS: Zenemax's Obvious Screwups

we all know by now this is gunna get screwed up hardcore

just look at the last time they tried to add counterplay.... sloads... ya know the set that literally screwed over everyone except the tanks it was suppose to screw over

DuskMarine

ezio45 wrote: »

can they just release the patch notes already.... just sitting around pissed off is getting annoying

why you pissed about a fix thats been needed for years.

TequilaFire

Actually Sload's worked, but of course everyone whined it to death too.

Valrien

DuskMarine wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

can they just release the patch notes already.... just sitting around pissed off is getting annoying

why you pissed about a fix thats been needed for years.

There is already a fix:

L2P (Learn 2 Play)

usmguy1234

TequilaFire wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

It's actually funny how thread about changes that are not even known yet reached 15 pages in 3 days

It's because SORC - Sorcerer Over Reacting Club had a membership drive giving out free milk and cookies.

It's mainly because of the Blatent Liar And Degenerate Egotist club that will not leave our class alone.

antihero727

Let’s all take a second to realize how toxic this post is and how long it has lasted. This is one of the for record books for not being closed or heavily edited. Thank you moderators for letting us be pissed and vent for 15 pages now.

Universe

antihero727 wrote: »

Let’s all take a second to realize how toxic this post is and how long it has lasted. This is one of the for record books for not being closed or heavily edited. Thank you moderators for letting us be pissed and vent for 15 pages now.

There isn't too much chaos here.
Take a look here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/434686/is-cheat-engine-back-on-the-rise/p1
This is worse.

As long as enough members remain civil, constructive and on-topic, there will be no need to close this discussion.
Please remember to not violate the forum rules
Shields nerf is probably incoming and this topic is still relevant

ZOS_JesC

Greetings, since the thread has run its course and is primarily baiting comments, we have decided to close it.