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HOW DO I MAGELIGHT!?!?! AHHHHHHH

Shraar
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Hello, I am having a problem. I think I am doing something wrong and would like to learn from helpful experienced players in the community.

I don't know how to properly use the "Radiant Magelight" spell in PvP.

I have come across many Nightblades who are very strong and very elusive. I thought Magelight would put an end to them, but no!

When I use it, they are not revealed. I cannot see them. It does not seem to work. They go invisible anyways. How is that possible!?

Even when I stick to them like nirnroot glue they still fade from magesight. That doesn't seem right. That moment of invisibility is enough to slip away in a fight.

What am I doing wrong? Does anyone have a Youtube video demonstrating how it should look when they're revealed?

World or Warcraft has a very iconic "fade" sound effect to let you know a stealth character is nearby and I'm wondering if there is something more subtle in ESO that I am missing.

Please Share Your Knowledge! Thank You In Advance.
  • FloppyTouch
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    I find mage light almost useless now with how fast nb move. Detect pots are the way to go but they still just move to fast.
  • Waffennacht
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    It's not working because the radius on light blows

    It's been a long time since it was viable anti-stealth mechanic

    Now you should try a PbAoE or WoE

    Edit: the only tell there is for someone sneaking around you is that the music goes into combat music. I dunno if Miats still does anything or not, I'm console so I never had access to such cheesey add ons
    Edited by Waffennacht on September 12, 2018 7:15PM
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  • OrphanHelgen
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    Same issue with evil hunter. Solution is to not use it, which is pretty sad yes.
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  • p00tx
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    Magelight is really only useful for two things:

    1) Uncloaking those buttholes who like to hide inside keeps so they can retake them after the enemy leaves (well-played nightblades...well played).

    2) Keeping the aforementioned buttholes from ganking you into oblivion if you're caught in there alone with them. It prevents the stun from anyone attacking from stealth, and it reduces their dmg done to you. It's a more defensive ability than anything in this regard, but incredibly useful in my experience.

    Cyrodil is currently run by a combination of invisible NB gankers and the huge slobbering hoards most like to call zergs. While RML won't help with the second (there is no cure for that, barring their mom's calling them to dinner), it'll definitely help protect you from the first.
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  • Lord_Eomer
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    Detect pots is a way to go, Magelight is a jolk!
  • ccmedaddy
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    This is probably not the answer you're looking for but Magelight is useless for stealth detection. All the stealth detection skills are trash. At least detection pots used to be effective against cloak spammers but now that they give you a giant red warning sign for enemies to see when you pop it anyone with a functioning brain can just run away from you.

    Just accept that ZOS doesn't want there to be any viable counter against cloak for the time being.
  • JimmyJuJu
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    The range on magelight is 6m. IRL, that's about the distance front to back of a Suburban XL (large SUV).

    I know we aren't talking real-life here, but 6m is almost right next to you. If a stealthed NB is right next to you, you probably not gonna make it.

    Go with detection potions :)
  • nemvar
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    Steel tornado is just a straight up better version of magelight. Just sayin'.
  • Bergzorn
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    p00tx wrote: »
    it reduces their dmg done to you

    It does not. Not anymore.


    JimmyJuJu wrote: »
    The range on magelight is 6m.

    Radiant Magelight, the morph in question, has a 12m range. Yet it often fails to reveal if you are not staying on top of the NB.

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  • JamieAubrey
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    Its broken just like everything else

    I use it right on top of a nb and they still managed to vanish
  • Shraar
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    I will admit this is heartbreaking. I was really expecting the error to be on my part.

    This cannot stand!

    I am not an expert (in fact, my Mage Guild rank is currently rank 2) but why on Nirn would they have a detection skill that cannot detect! This does not seem right to me!

    Would it be a good idea to buff the radius? And maybe change it so that they cannot go invisible for even a moment within the radius? Thank you.
  • nemvar
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    Almost any AOE in the game is a better counter to cloak than magelight. This is not because of magelights cost or its range. It's because you are wasting a GCD without really doing anything. You are not applying pressure, you are not defending, you are not buffing. All you are really doing is prevent your opponent from using cloak for a few seconds which isn't all that impactful unless you are Xv1ing.
  • Morgha_Kul
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    I miss Magelight being a toggle... and having some kind of useful effect.
    I mean, I don't PvP, so the anti-stealth aspect is irrelevant to me.
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  • Apoxsee
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    Most likely ZOS forgot the one in front of the two when coding the skill.. so in effect it is a 2m range (maybe)

    I saw a nb hiding in IC last night and ran over to the corner that he/she was in... cast evil hunter right on top of them (they were slightly higher in elevation) and nothing.. no reveal ball at all, I did reveal them but just because I was standing on top of them.

    One word for the usefulness of these skills... ***!
  • LordSarevok
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    You can drop a Scorching Flare right on top of a Nightblade, and they can vanish instantly after, while still on fire. I had a nightblade in the sewers literally vanish inside a corridor, while they were standing in wall of elements and scorching flare.

    Active

    Support
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    Launch a blinding flare, revealing stealthed and invisible enemies in the target area. Exposed enemies have their movement speed reduced by 50%, take 11412 Flame Damage over 3 seconds, and cannot return to stealth or invisibility for the duration.

    Morph Effect: Exposed enemies take damage over time.

    Cast Time: Instant

    Target: Ground

    Range: 30 Meters

    Radius: 10 Meters

    Cost: 2025 Magicka

    Base Skill: Revealing Flare
  • Amadis001
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    6000 Crowns is ridiculous. One motif for more than the cost of the entire Summerset chapter, that I played for about a month? No thanks. I'm not sure I could ever bring myself to buy one cosmetic item in a game for anything even close to $60.
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  • LordSarevok
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    I think the only fix needs to be longer duration's on returning to stealth (durations that actually work and do what the skill says!). Then you have to factor in the insane movement speed a medium armor/swift jewelry/rapids char can move. I'm ok with them being sneaky glass cannons, but there is no penalty for failure to gank someone. On the contrary, they are given extremely effective escape mechanics.

    Edit" Added clarification in parentheses
    Edited by LordSarevok on September 12, 2018 8:12PM
  • Shraar
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    It doesn't seem fair.
  • Kadoin
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    It's not working because the radius on light blows

    It's been a long time since it was viable anti-stealth mechanic

    Now you should try a PbAoE or WoE

    Edit: the only tell there is for someone sneaking around you is that the music goes into combat music. I dunno if Miats still does anything or not, I'm console so I never had access to such cheesey add ons

    ^ exactly this...the only real way to get them is with AoE. I use ritual of retribution on my templar because NBs are annoying, also slot mages guild rune and throw it beneath my feet so they can't come close for incap or onslaught without consequences. From what I've seen, they usually get stunned before either of those skills fire :D
  • BozzyTheDrummer
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    I use inner light on my sorc. I have been finding it very useful in Battlegrounds. Went up against quite a few nightblades who stealth and flee when I get them near death. Pop inner light and there they are, and I'm able to kill them rather then them flee from me. I'm quite liking it.
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  • Morgha_Kul
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    Unfortunately, I've seen classes that rely heavily on stealth like this in other games. It NEVER goes well.

    Does anyone here remember the Stalkers over at City of Heroes/Villains? They would go into the PvP areas, and lurk, lurk, lurk. Someone else would enter the area and be more or less instantly oneshotted by a foe they could not detect, and therefore could not defend against.
    The result was people stopped going to the PvP areas. I imagined them being entirely populated by invisible stalkers waiting for someone to uncloak.
    It killed the PvP game entirely.

    No one plays to be cannon fodder for someone else. The purpose of PvP is COMPETITION. If you're no allowed to even see your opponent, there's no way to compete. Thus, these kinds of classes defeat the purpose of PvP... and drive other classes away from it.
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  • Fischblut
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    Does anyone have a Youtube video demonstrating how it should look when they're revealed?

    If you ever was caught by lantern guard in some DLC area while sneaking, you will see blue orb floating around you for few seconds (it reminds me of Wisp creature). It looks the same if you manage to reveal the enemy player with Magelight - this blue orb floats around them for a bit :)
    World or Warcraft has a very iconic "fade" sound effect to let you know a stealth character is nearby and I'm wondering if there is something more subtle in ESO that I am missing.

    I can't say for sure, cause I didn't test if for at least two recent updates, but you could hear enemy player casting Magelight while he's in stealth. He could also hear your cast if you're in stealth :smiley: What is for sure - I hear how enemy shouts when he's buffing himself in stealth - but it might be only if the stealth is caused by cloak, cause I hear it only when some nightblade uses cloak around me and activates some buffs while cloaked. I never noticed it if the player is actually hidden in sneak mode :/
  • Lieblingsjunge
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    I use it on my healer in PvP sometimes, if I want to detect a NB or something inside keeps. What I've realised, is: If a NB cloaks right in front of you( moves through you) and you pop it just as it cloaks, you won't detect it. Even though realisticially he shouldnt move that far away. You just get a gigantic eye above your head.

    But if you follow the NB around with Magelight popped(most likely way it escaped) you will eventually un-cloak it. But that feels more like RNG than an actal de-cloak. But I think you need to have the Magelight activated for a second or so, before it actually detects. Which is silly.
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  • Shraar
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    Earlier, I had the humiliating experience of trying to resurrect a fallen ally, recently felled by a blade in the dark.

    Out of nowhere (invisible) I kept getting bashed! I learned then that resurrections can be interrupted by bashes.

    After he bashed me, he would immediately go invisible again.

    Eventually, I used Magelight, thinking that would scare him away, or at least reveal him before he bashed so my ally could attack him.

    No! The radius of Magelight is so short he can bash me before being revealed, it was as if the ability was completely and 100% useless.

    But that's magelight. Radiant Magelight is twice as big... But it is still on 12 meters.

    I really don't think this is okay. It does not seem fair, and maybe that is because it isn't.

    I'm really hoping the technicians and repair men at Zenimax Online Studios consider this.
  • ArchMikem
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    p00tx wrote: »
    Magelight is really only useful for two things:

    1) Uncloaking those buttholes who like to hide inside keeps so they can retake them after the enemy leaves (well-played nightblades...well played).

    Whaaa? No one does that, pffft no, thats preposterous. :*
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  • BRogueNZ
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    The skill is only useful to prevent the stun now really because NB's aren't a real combat class and are mollycoddled by ZoS
  • Hal_Moore
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    i've found that in order to be effective at detection i need to use radiant magelight+detect potion.
  • rfennell_ESO
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    Shraar wrote: »
    Hello, I am having a problem. I think I am doing something wrong and would like to learn from helpful experienced players in the community.

    I don't know how to properly use the "Radiant Magelight" spell in PvP.

    I have come across many Nightblades who are very strong and very elusive. I thought Magelight would put an end to them, but no!

    When I use it, they are not revealed. I cannot see them. It does not seem to work. They go invisible anyways. How is that possible!?

    Even when I stick to them like nirnroot glue they still fade from magesight. That doesn't seem right. That moment of invisibility is enough to slip away in a fight.

    What am I doing wrong? Does anyone have a Youtube video demonstrating how it should look when they're revealed?

    World or Warcraft has a very iconic "fade" sound effect to let you know a stealth character is nearby and I'm wondering if there is something more subtle in ESO that I am missing.

    Please Share Your Knowledge! Thank You In Advance.

    The problem you are having is one part https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Swift+(Trait) with a dash of vampire https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Dark+Stalker. Add a healthy heaping of "we've made detection abilities more noticeable" (read as they break stealth when cast now) and avoiding you isn't all that hard.

    I've found that the best way to reveal nightblades is radiant magelight followed by major expedition and sprinting in the general vicinity I saw them at.

    The only instance that won't be easily detected is any nightblade using double take or expedition pots and concealed weapon + swift. They move at 85% increased movement speed while stealthed or invis...

    Additionally, all forms of detection do stack. So using a detection pot + radiant magelight will reveal *most* stealthers/cloakers. (detection pot is +20m detection, radiant is +12m detection) Those can both be augmented by sentry set (if it's that big an issue to you, it turns that 32m range into 48 meters). So you understand, "cloaking" (in essense shadowy disguising now) turns your stealth detection "bubble" ranges to 0.

    So... "cloaked Bosmer nightblade"
    Forward, Side and back detection ranges are all set to 0 while cloaking (normally 20, 10, 5)
    0+20+12=32meters*.65(7 medium armor)=20.8 meters-3 (bosmer stealth reduction) for 17.8 meters detection.

    That's the reasonable way of catching them using radiant + detect pot.
  • SugaComa
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    Magelighg is only really useful against bombers pick the antistun option n keep up at all time ... It's not much cop for stealth detection if you're hunting them but it's a great stealth protection if you are the hunted
    Edited by SugaComa on September 12, 2018 11:37PM
  • rfennell_ESO
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    SugaComa wrote: »
    Magelighg is only really useful against bombers pick the antistun option n keep up at all time ... It's not much cop for stealth detection if you're hunting them but it's a great stealth protection if you are the hunted

    Most detection works perfectly fine for detecting stealth.

    It's cloaked and invisible where it pretty much fails and becomes somewhat useless or too burdensome to pull off.
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