Can something be done about Phoenix & Yokeda being used for No Death Achievements
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✭Always brings a smile to my face when clever players figure out a way to take a set no one uses and makes some unexpected magic happen.
To the point I kind of agree that it seems to give players a means of cheesing out an achievement. On the other hand you’re taking a DPS hit for every player wearing one of these sets so it comes with a cost.0 -
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Goes for anything in life really, why would it be fine for things to be much easier than what it's supposed to be?
I just don't understand why such a set exists let alone works for this sort of thing
It's not "unfair" if someone has creatively and intelligently managed to use a set, within the game mechanics, as intended. It means they've gone outside of googling what thelatest meta is. Kudos to them. It's quite clever, and instead of being browned off, you should be congratulating them.
It's PvE. What they do/do not in respect to the above means Not. One. Single. Thing.
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Dying non stop and finding a way how to still die non stop and still get an achievement isn't really creative or intelligent though lol, if people can do it the intended way, why can't players just get better and also learn to do it?
It's not "unfair" if someone has creatively and intelligently managed to use a setWouldn't you find it a little unfair groups are doing it much easier than it was meant to be compared to those who are putting in the effort for it?
Goes for anything in life really, why would it be fine for things to be much easier than what it's supposed to be?
I just don't understand why such a set exists let alone works for this sort of thing#MOREORBS2 -
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Dying non stop and finding a way how to still die non stop and still get an achievement isn't really creative or intelligent though lol, if people can do it the intended way, why can't players just get better and also learn to do it?
It's not "unfair" if someone has creatively and intelligently managed to use a setWouldn't you find it a little unfair groups are doing it much easier than it was meant to be compared to those who are putting in the effort for it?
Goes for anything in life really, why would it be fine for things to be much easier than what it's supposed to be?
I just don't understand why such a set exists let alone works for this sort of thing
So dying every 10 minutes is "dying non-stop"?
What is the "intended way"? Would you then say that out-DPSing mechanics isn't worthy of the achievement either? Since the devs put the mechanic in and expected it to be followed?
Again, if people decide to use those sets as an insurance against a mistake (or high ping if they have someone from AUS/NZ in the group, for example), they are sacrificing DPS, so the fights will be longer.The Moot Councillor8 -
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Dying non stop and finding a way how to still die non stop and still get an achievement isn't really creative or intelligent though lol, if people can do it the intended way, why can't players just get better and also learn to do it?
It's not "unfair" if someone has creatively and intelligently managed to use a setWouldn't you find it a little unfair groups are doing it much easier than it was meant to be compared to those who are putting in the effort for it?
Goes for anything in life really, why would it be fine for things to be much easier than what it's supposed to be?
I just don't understand why such a set exists let alone works for this sort of thing
So dying every 10 minutes is "dying non-stop"?
What is the "intended way"? Would you then say that out-DPSing mechanics isn't worthy of the achievement either? Since the devs put the mechanic in and expected it to be followed?
Again, if people decide to use those sets as an insurance against a mistake (or high ping if they have someone from AUS/NZ in the group, for example), they are sacrificing DPS, so the fights will be longer.
Or even in the US.... in a major backwood where satellite is my only option.... I just don't do group content, since my lag is in the general neighborhood of 2 seconds.1 -
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Dying non stop and finding a way how to still die non stop and still get an achievement isn't really creative or intelligent though lol, if people can do it the intended way, why can't players just get better and also learn to do it?
It's not "unfair" if someone has creatively and intelligently managed to use a setWouldn't you find it a little unfair groups are doing it much easier than it was meant to be compared to those who are putting in the effort for it?
Goes for anything in life really, why would it be fine for things to be much easier than what it's supposed to be?
I just don't understand why such a set exists let alone works for this sort of thing
If a group is *** these sets aren't going to fix it though. Nodeaths aren't magically going to start dropping once people equip them. You can bet your ass people who die all the time are going to be dying more than once on single fights like vAS and vCR.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I hope everyone realizes that this thread was started by someone who used Phoenix to get his Flawless Conqueror back in the day.
That this is a thread started by someone who was so desperate to be able to claim the first NA clear of vMoL that, when confronted with a console guild having beat him by a couple of hours, lied about their clear time.
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✭✭✭✭WolfTickets wrote: »The text on both sets does say "when you die"..... It should be counted as a death in PVP and PVE. I cant speak for the devs, but it seems the sets were designed as a free rez.
ESO's fluency in accurate tooltips is at best that of a 3rd language with a thick accent. I wouldn't get hung up on the wording.
In PVP if you take someone to zero health wearing this set, it is not counted as a death and you do not get a "kill." (At least not until you kill them again 2 seconds later.)0 -
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The first one is true because I was curious if it worked, since then though I've done qutie a bit of flawless vma runs so I don't see how that matters, maybe the people should go back and get their no deaths in CR, AS without phoenix, but lmao doubt it.I hope everyone realizes that this thread was started by someone who used Phoenix to get his Flawless Conqueror back in the day.
That this is a thread started by someone who was so desperate to be able to claim the first NA clear of vMoL that, when confronted with a console guild having beat him by a couple of hours, lied about their clear time.
And now this person is suddenly championing for the sanctity of achievements? The irony is so thick you could choke on it.
Second one was a complete joke, but that's funny how serious you want to be about it.
Seems like you have some personal issues going on with me @code65536 maybe you're taking this whole topic a little bit to heart. The only reason you're so triggered is because it's trueEdited by Nifty2g on September 4, 2018 4:15AM#MOREORBS1 -
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The first one is true because I was curious if it worked, since then though I've done qutie a bit of flawless vma runs so I don't see how that matters, maybe the people should go back and get their no deaths in CR, AS without phoenix, but lmao doubt it.I hope everyone realizes that this thread was started by someone who used Phoenix to get his Flawless Conqueror back in the day.
That this is a thread started by someone who was so desperate to be able to claim the first NA clear of vMoL that, when confronted with a console guild having beat him by a couple of hours, lied about their clear time.
And now this person is suddenly championing for the sanctity of achievements? The irony is so thick you could choke on it.
Second one was a complete joke, but that's funny how serious you want to be about it.
Seems like you have some personal issues going on with me @code65536 maybe you're taking this whole topic a little bit to heart
Deny and attack, deny and attack.
Looks pretty bad Nifty, old boy.
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Dying non stop and finding a way how to still die non stop and still get an achievement isn't really creative or intelligent though lol, if people can do it the intended way, why can't players just get better and also learn to do it?
It's not "unfair" if someone has creatively and intelligently managed to use a setWouldn't you find it a little unfair groups are doing it much easier than it was meant to be compared to those who are putting in the effort for it?
Goes for anything in life really, why would it be fine for things to be much easier than what it's supposed to be?
I just don't understand why such a set exists let alone works for this sort of thing
So dying every 10 minutes is "dying non-stop"?
What is the "intended way"? Would you then say that out-DPSing mechanics isn't worthy of the achievement either? Since the devs put the mechanic in and expected it to be followed?
Again, if people decide to use those sets as an insurance against a mistake (or high ping if they have someone from AUS/NZ in the group, for example), they are sacrificing DPS, so the fights will be longer.
Yes, they die every 10 minutes, like clockwork, it's their cunning plan to get some achievement I can't remember the name of right now.2 -
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I denied what exactly?Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
The first one is true because I was curious if it worked, since then though I've done qutie a bit of flawless vma runs so I don't see how that matters, maybe the people should go back and get their no deaths in CR, AS without phoenix, but lmao doubt it.I hope everyone realizes that this thread was started by someone who used Phoenix to get his Flawless Conqueror back in the day.
That this is a thread started by someone who was so desperate to be able to claim the first NA clear of vMoL that, when confronted with a console guild having beat him by a couple of hours, lied about their clear time.
And now this person is suddenly championing for the sanctity of achievements? The irony is so thick you could choke on it.
Second one was a complete joke, but that's funny how serious you want to be about it.
Seems like you have some personal issues going on with me @code65536 maybe you're taking this whole topic a little bit to heart
Deny and attack, deny and attack.
Looks pretty bad Nifty, old boy.#MOREORBS0 -
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I denied what exactly?Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
The first one is true because I was curious if it worked, since then though I've done qutie a bit of flawless vma runs so I don't see how that matters, maybe the people should go back and get their no deaths in CR, AS without phoenix, but lmao doubt it.I hope everyone realizes that this thread was started by someone who used Phoenix to get his Flawless Conqueror back in the day.
That this is a thread started by someone who was so desperate to be able to claim the first NA clear of vMoL that, when confronted with a console guild having beat him by a couple of hours, lied about their clear time.
And now this person is suddenly championing for the sanctity of achievements? The irony is so thick you could choke on it.
Second one was a complete joke, but that's funny how serious you want to be about it.
Seems like you have some personal issues going on with me @code65536 maybe you're taking this whole topic a little bit to heart
Deny and attack, deny and attack.
Looks pretty bad Nifty, old boy.since then though I've done qutie a bit of flawless vma runs so I don't see how that mattersSecond one was a complete joke, but that's funny how serious you want to be about it.Nifty2g
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Love Wizard wrote: »
Congratulations, but you're not the first NA clear.
No we beat it before the console crew as far as i know, few hours earlier3 -
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Like I said it was a joke CSH made back in the day with them and made up something about timezones.Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
I denied what exactly?Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
The first one is true because I was curious if it worked, since then though I've done qutie a bit of flawless vma runs so I don't see how that matters, maybe the people should go back and get their no deaths in CR, AS without phoenix, but lmao doubt it.I hope everyone realizes that this thread was started by someone who used Phoenix to get his Flawless Conqueror back in the day.
That this is a thread started by someone who was so desperate to be able to claim the first NA clear of vMoL that, when confronted with a console guild having beat him by a couple of hours, lied about their clear time.
And now this person is suddenly championing for the sanctity of achievements? The irony is so thick you could choke on it.
Second one was a complete joke, but that's funny how serious you want to be about it.
Seems like you have some personal issues going on with me @code65536 maybe you're taking this whole topic a little bit to heart
Deny and attack, deny and attack.
Looks pretty bad Nifty, old boy.since then though I've done qutie a bit of flawless vma runs so I don't see how that mattersSecond one was a complete joke, but that's funny how serious you want to be about it.Nifty2g
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Love Wizard wrote: »
Congratulations, but you're not the first NA clear.
No we beat it before the console crew as far as i know, few hours earlier#MOREORBS0 -
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You don't actually die, so no you would keep your Tel VarValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭So...according to your logic anyone, .on a speed run using ...swift rings...any skill/passive that gives you major/minor expedition, any armor set that gives you more speed, using an orc, or even sprinting, would diminish your achievement?
And also how do you actually know that the devs intended these sets NOT to be used in this way...you seem to have some kind of inside info...maybe you can tell us when they will be buffing magdens...thanks in advance...
Your logic is stretching here
Yeah...well...I really didn't think he had inside information...0 -
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✭LadyLethalla wrote: »Here's a question: if you were wearing Phoenix and died in IC, would you lose your telvar? Or only if you got killed again in the cooldown?
You don't actually die, so no you would keep your Tel Var
Thanks; I've often wondered
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Like I said it was a joke CSH made back in the day with them and made up something about timezones.Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
I denied what exactly?Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
The first one is true because I was curious if it worked, since then though I've done qutie a bit of flawless vma runs so I don't see how that matters, maybe the people should go back and get their no deaths in CR, AS without phoenix, but lmao doubt it.I hope everyone realizes that this thread was started by someone who used Phoenix to get his Flawless Conqueror back in the day.
That this is a thread started by someone who was so desperate to be able to claim the first NA clear of vMoL that, when confronted with a console guild having beat him by a couple of hours, lied about their clear time.
And now this person is suddenly championing for the sanctity of achievements? The irony is so thick you could choke on it.
Second one was a complete joke, but that's funny how serious you want to be about it.
Seems like you have some personal issues going on with me @code65536 maybe you're taking this whole topic a little bit to heart
Deny and attack, deny and attack.
Looks pretty bad Nifty, old boy.since then though I've done qutie a bit of flawless vma runs so I don't see how that mattersSecond one was a complete joke, but that's funny how serious you want to be about it.Nifty2g
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Love Wizard wrote: »
Congratulations, but you're not the first NA clear.
No we beat it before the console crew as far as i know, few hours earlier
LOL...seriously...0 -
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Like I said it was a joke CSH made back in the day with them and made up something about timezones.Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
I denied what exactly?Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
The first one is true because I was curious if it worked, since then though I've done qutie a bit of flawless vma runs so I don't see how that matters, maybe the people should go back and get their no deaths in CR, AS without phoenix, but lmao doubt it.I hope everyone realizes that this thread was started by someone who used Phoenix to get his Flawless Conqueror back in the day.
That this is a thread started by someone who was so desperate to be able to claim the first NA clear of vMoL that, when confronted with a console guild having beat him by a couple of hours, lied about their clear time.
And now this person is suddenly championing for the sanctity of achievements? The irony is so thick you could choke on it.
Second one was a complete joke, but that's funny how serious you want to be about it.
Seems like you have some personal issues going on with me @code65536 maybe you're taking this whole topic a little bit to heart
Deny and attack, deny and attack.
Looks pretty bad Nifty, old boy.since then though I've done qutie a bit of flawless vma runs so I don't see how that mattersSecond one was a complete joke, but that's funny how serious you want to be about it.Nifty2g
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Love Wizard wrote: »
Congratulations, but you're not the first NA clear.
No we beat it before the console crew as far as i know, few hours earlier
I feel like I'm missing something. Where's the humor in that? "Oh, hey, guys, see that another guild got this cleared first? Let's claim we're world's first; it'll be hilarious." Why?
Especially, why, "oh, hey, someone who knows how to read the time, what do we do?" "Make up something about time zones, no one understands those."3 -
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I just want to know why something from 2016 matters now that is not even relevant to the discussion, but hey when someone gets far too triggered over a topic will likely go out and look for something to try to make me look even worse to try to turn the conversation away onto something else. The VMA no death was fair enough but the other part of the reply was a little odd.
Like I said it was a joke CSH made back in the day with them and made up something about timezones.Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
I denied what exactly?Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
The first one is true because I was curious if it worked, since then though I've done qutie a bit of flawless vma runs so I don't see how that matters, maybe the people should go back and get their no deaths in CR, AS without phoenix, but lmao doubt it.I hope everyone realizes that this thread was started by someone who used Phoenix to get his Flawless Conqueror back in the day.
That this is a thread started by someone who was so desperate to be able to claim the first NA clear of vMoL that, when confronted with a console guild having beat him by a couple of hours, lied about their clear time.
And now this person is suddenly championing for the sanctity of achievements? The irony is so thick you could choke on it.
Second one was a complete joke, but that's funny how serious you want to be about it.
Seems like you have some personal issues going on with me @code65536 maybe you're taking this whole topic a little bit to heart
Deny and attack, deny and attack.
Looks pretty bad Nifty, old boy.since then though I've done qutie a bit of flawless vma runs so I don't see how that mattersSecond one was a complete joke, but that's funny how serious you want to be about it.Nifty2g
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Love Wizard wrote: »
Congratulations, but you're not the first NA clear.
No we beat it before the console crew as far as i know, few hours earlier
LOL...seriously...
I was mostly looking to have an actual discussion about the use of Phoenix so we could see what ZOS thinks about it and get their response, but the thread is mostly just filled with people who feel personally insulted even though no names were said, and most of the people who do agree have just been messaging laughing about the responses.#MOREORBS0 -
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Just possibly the humor isn't actually for you, it was for the involved parties. Not everything posted on forums or in public is intended for the reader to get an inside joke. Besides its from 2016, who the *** cares. Like I mentioned above it serves no relevance other than an attempt to start an argument over nothingstarkerealm wrote: »
Like I said it was a joke CSH made back in the day with them and made up something about timezones.Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
I denied what exactly?Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
The first one is true because I was curious if it worked, since then though I've done qutie a bit of flawless vma runs so I don't see how that matters, maybe the people should go back and get their no deaths in CR, AS without phoenix, but lmao doubt it.I hope everyone realizes that this thread was started by someone who used Phoenix to get his Flawless Conqueror back in the day.
That this is a thread started by someone who was so desperate to be able to claim the first NA clear of vMoL that, when confronted with a console guild having beat him by a couple of hours, lied about their clear time.
And now this person is suddenly championing for the sanctity of achievements? The irony is so thick you could choke on it.
Second one was a complete joke, but that's funny how serious you want to be about it.
Seems like you have some personal issues going on with me @code65536 maybe you're taking this whole topic a little bit to heart
Deny and attack, deny and attack.
Looks pretty bad Nifty, old boy.since then though I've done qutie a bit of flawless vma runs so I don't see how that mattersSecond one was a complete joke, but that's funny how serious you want to be about it.Nifty2g
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Love Wizard wrote: »
Congratulations, but you're not the first NA clear.
No we beat it before the console crew as far as i know, few hours earlier
I feel like I'm missing something. Where's the humor in that? "Oh, hey, guys, see that another guild got this cleared first? Let's claim we're world's first; it'll be hilarious." Why?
Especially, why, "oh, hey, someone who knows how to read the time, what do we do?" "Make up something about time zones, no one understands those."Edited by Nifty2g on September 4, 2018 4:59AM#MOREORBS0 -
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Go read the 3 piece bonus on Eternal Yokeda, then try to explain to us all that it is not intended to be used in trials.
Edit: Here is the set for anyone who doesn't know.
Also the 5-piece reads that you turn into a statue instead of dying, not after dying.Edited by WrathOfInnos on September 4, 2018 5:54AM7 -
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✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Oh look, does this mean that phoenix isn't meant to be used in trials? What a surprise, who would have guessed
Go read the 3 piece bonus on Eternal Yokeda, then try to explain to us all that it is not intended to be used in trials.
Edit: Here is the set for anyone who doesn't know.
Also the 5-piece reads that you turn into a statue instead of dying, not after dying.
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I don't have to explain anything if the developer isn't happy how it's working, what does that have to do with meWrathOfInnos wrote: »Oh look, does this mean that phoenix isn't meant to be used in trials? What a surprise, who would have guessed
Go read the 3 piece bonus on Eternal Yokeda, then try to explain to us all that it is not intended to be used in trials.
Edit: Here is the set for anyone who doesn't know.
Also the 5-piece reads that you turn into a statue instead of dying, not after dying.
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