Welkynar Motif Crown Store

acw37162 · August 2018

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

kvlou79 wrote: »

Lmao. This is so shady! Introduce ultra-gfy-grind, but, immediately available for cash.

It's not shady. It's a way for raiders to make gold (as raiding isn't profitable at all right now).

If it turns out that the pages are BoP, then it would be shady, but nothing so far indicates that will be the case.

Not profitable you say;

What’s the cost VMOL, VAS, VCR carries on your platform on mine it is very profitable.

And this is a terrible argument at like only a few people can farm this motif only a few people will pony up 40 (give or take)for an in game purchase. There will still be a market for you to sell your wares.

Jhalin · August 2018

Nifty2g wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

Normal Plus 3 isn't that hard. I'll probably just grind it out.

As I recall, on n+3, only 1 person in the group gets a drop. On v+0 it's 3 people, v+3 everyone gets one. I'm not sure about v+1 and v+2, but they have their own payouts as well.

Then you get a page fragment, not a full motif. So, you have a 1 in 12 chance of getting 10% of one random page. Meaning you'd need to run n+3 roughly 120 times to get a single page. 1680 times to get each page, assuming that you never see a duplicate page, and you get one fragment every 12 runs. It's possible you could, theoretically complete it in as little as 140 runs if you have innhumanly good luck, but even the v+3 guys are looking at 140 runs minimum to put the motif together. Realistically, you're probably looking at more like 5k runs to complete the motif on n+3. So... yeah, that's a little extreme.

Don't think it's extreme I think ZOS are finally adding rewarding content. About time.

In what world is that “rewarding content”?

5k runs, 15minutes minimum. That’s 1250 solid hours (52 days) of doing nothing but vCR just for one motif.

That is extreme, and unreasonable, and is the opposite of a rewarding use of players’ time.

starkerealm · August 2018

Nifty2g wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

Normal Plus 3 isn't that hard. I'll probably just grind it out.

As I recall, on n+3, only 1 person in the group gets a drop. On v+0 it's 3 people, v+3 everyone gets one. I'm not sure about v+1 and v+2, but they have their own payouts as well.

Then you get a page fragment, not a full motif. So, you have a 1 in 12 chance of getting 10% of one random page. Meaning you'd need to run n+3 roughly 120 times to get a single page. 1680 times to get each page, assuming that you never see a duplicate page, and you get one fragment every 12 runs. It's possible you could, theoretically complete it in as little as 140 runs if you have innhumanly good luck, but even the v+3 guys are looking at 140 runs minimum to put the motif together. Realistically, you're probably looking at more like 5k runs to complete the motif on n+3. So... yeah, that's a little extreme.

Don't think it's extreme I think ZOS are finally adding rewarding content. About time.

I think you might be misunderstanding something. This is just a motif. Same one you see on the Cloudrest Gear, so it's not even like this is something cool looking, like the Refabricated motif on the HoF gear.

Hal_Moore · August 2018

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Hal_Moore wrote: »

Yes lets not fund the game you play...smart.

Servers require upkeep and employees require paychecks. . .Surprise!

Basic math using ZoS' own number can tell you how far from reality you are. It's all profit and has been for quite a long time.

I am constantly surprised that people argue that game companies need money. Some game releases are approaching $1B...

That sounds an awful lot like a personal insult.

Please reread my statement and tell me more about how business have free servers and volunteer employees.

Yes because everyone knows how businesses just sit on piles of cash..
Stock holders that expect a dividend every quarter no no ZOS obviously just keeps all the money for themselves they don't bother with things like say a quarterly or yearly budget...all that profit they just hold on to it year after year...

What reality is this you speak of?

Valrien · August 2018

Hal_Moore wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Hal_Moore wrote: »

Yes lets not fund the game you play...smart.

Servers require upkeep and employees require paychecks. . .Surprise!

Basic math using ZoS' own number can tell you how far from reality you are. It's all profit and has been for quite a long time.

I am constantly surprised that people argue that game companies need money. Some game releases are approaching $1B...

That sounds an awful lot like a personal insult.

Please reread my statement and tell me more about how business have free servers and volunteer employees.

Yes because everyone knows how businesses just sit on piles of cash..
Stock holders that expect a dividend every quarter no no ZOS obviously just keeps all the money for themselves they don't bother with things like say a quarterly or yearly budget...all that profit they just hold on to it year after year...

What reality is this you speak of?

Tbh ZOS most likely barely gets any of the money they make

What no one seems to understand is that ZOS isn't run by ZOS. It's run by ZeniMax Media Group, and what they say goes. They want more Crown Crates? Well ***, ZOS better make some Crown Crates.

ZOS makes money for ZeniMax to line the top dogs' pockets, basically. But the meme is ZO$ because it's hard to fit a $ into ZeniMax Media Group

Nifty2g · August 2018

Jhalin wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

Normal Plus 3 isn't that hard. I'll probably just grind it out.

As I recall, on n+3, only 1 person in the group gets a drop. On v+0 it's 3 people, v+3 everyone gets one. I'm not sure about v+1 and v+2, but they have their own payouts as well.

Then you get a page fragment, not a full motif. So, you have a 1 in 12 chance of getting 10% of one random page. Meaning you'd need to run n+3 roughly 120 times to get a single page. 1680 times to get each page, assuming that you never see a duplicate page, and you get one fragment every 12 runs. It's possible you could, theoretically complete it in as little as 140 runs if you have innhumanly good luck, but even the v+3 guys are looking at 140 runs minimum to put the motif together. Realistically, you're probably looking at more like 5k runs to complete the motif on n+3. So... yeah, that's a little extreme.

Don't think it's extreme I think ZOS are finally adding rewarding content. About time.

In what world is that “rewarding content”?

5k runs, 15minutes minimum. That’s 1250 solid hours (52 days) of doing nothing but vCR just for one motif.

That is extreme, and unreasonable, and is the opposite of a rewarding use of players’ time.

Normal not veteran

Nifty2g · August 2018

starkerealm wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

Normal Plus 3 isn't that hard. I'll probably just grind it out.

As I recall, on n+3, only 1 person in the group gets a drop. On v+0 it's 3 people, v+3 everyone gets one. I'm not sure about v+1 and v+2, but they have their own payouts as well.

Then you get a page fragment, not a full motif. So, you have a 1 in 12 chance of getting 10% of one random page. Meaning you'd need to run n+3 roughly 120 times to get a single page. 1680 times to get each page, assuming that you never see a duplicate page, and you get one fragment every 12 runs. It's possible you could, theoretically complete it in as little as 140 runs if you have innhumanly good luck, but even the v+3 guys are looking at 140 runs minimum to put the motif together. Realistically, you're probably looking at more like 5k runs to complete the motif on n+3. So... yeah, that's a little extreme.

Don't think it's extreme I think ZOS are finally adding rewarding content. About time.

I think you might be misunderstanding something. This is just a motif. Same one you see on the Cloudrest Gear, so it's not even like this is something cool looking, like the Refabricated motif on the HoF gear.

It's a very nice looking motif, probably one of the best. Of course it's rewarding. People want it on their outfit not need to wear the gear to see it.

Valrien · August 2018

Nifty2g wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

Normal Plus 3 isn't that hard. I'll probably just grind it out.

As I recall, on n+3, only 1 person in the group gets a drop. On v+0 it's 3 people, v+3 everyone gets one. I'm not sure about v+1 and v+2, but they have their own payouts as well.

Then you get a page fragment, not a full motif. So, you have a 1 in 12 chance of getting 10% of one random page. Meaning you'd need to run n+3 roughly 120 times to get a single page. 1680 times to get each page, assuming that you never see a duplicate page, and you get one fragment every 12 runs. It's possible you could, theoretically complete it in as little as 140 runs if you have innhumanly good luck, but even the v+3 guys are looking at 140 runs minimum to put the motif together. Realistically, you're probably looking at more like 5k runs to complete the motif on n+3. So... yeah, that's a little extreme.

Don't think it's extreme I think ZOS are finally adding rewarding content. About time.

I think you might be misunderstanding something. This is just a motif. Same one you see on the Cloudrest Gear, so it's not even like this is something cool looking, like the Refabricated motif on the HoF gear.

It's a very nice looking motif, probably one of the best. Of course it's rewarding. People want it on their outfit not need to wear the gear to see it.

I personally like the Sapiarch motif more. Welkynar is pretty alright though.

DanteYoda · August 2018

Chrysa1is wrote: »

Called it ages ago. 5000 crowns. Shame on ZOS

Well all the others were why wouldn't this one be..

Sigma957 · August 2018

Don't really care about trying to farm every piece for a complete motif when I can just buy it

This is why I work so I can spend my extra $$$ on stuff like this.

JJBoomer · August 2018

JFC what is the big deal. don't buy it if you don't want to buy it.

Frankly I think it's a good business decision. Those of us that are not equipped for trials, or who hate doing them, can now buy it. And those who like to earn their motifs can still do so. Everyone is happy.

the only people that aren't chipper about this are the ones that want to go "oooh look what I have and they don't". and if that's the only reason you play games, then maybe you have underlying issues.

Just, could we not complain, every single f'ing day about every little thing ZOS does? It's old, boring and petty AF.

Haenk · August 2018

I expected this and already stacked up some crowns (and for the villa - what a nice waste of money). I don't run trials and this is the last motif missing, so this is a sure buy for me.

Asardes · August 2018

It's a shame they add them in crown store right away. And 5K is really a bargain considering how hard is to farm in game. I remember when I farmed SotH dungeons and was able to sell motif pages for 50K+ for months. Once they added them in crown store the price tanked, and after the Jubilee event I've even seen some MM averages at 5K. Clearly ZoS doesn't want players to make in game currency off motifs as there are plenty who can afford to pay 5K crowns - not really hard if you have recurring subscription and get 9K every 6 months - instead of paying a few hundred thousand in game currency; or you can just pay in came currency to someone who has crowns to get it for you - on EU-PC it's about 300 gold per crown so ~1.5M for the motif book. Well, at least I realized that there are easier, less hype dependent ways to make money, and went for those instead of farming dungeons/trials a dozen times a day. One thing I really dislike is the fact that they cut this motif to pieces, and made even drops of those fragments unreasonably rare, and linked to an item that drops only once per week per character. So another layer of grind on top of what was already a pretty hard grind.

starkerealm · August 2018

Nifty2g wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

Normal Plus 3 isn't that hard. I'll probably just grind it out.

As I recall, on n+3, only 1 person in the group gets a drop. On v+0 it's 3 people, v+3 everyone gets one. I'm not sure about v+1 and v+2, but they have their own payouts as well.

Then you get a page fragment, not a full motif. So, you have a 1 in 12 chance of getting 10% of one random page. Meaning you'd need to run n+3 roughly 120 times to get a single page. 1680 times to get each page, assuming that you never see a duplicate page, and you get one fragment every 12 runs. It's possible you could, theoretically complete it in as little as 140 runs if you have innhumanly good luck, but even the v+3 guys are looking at 140 runs minimum to put the motif together. Realistically, you're probably looking at more like 5k runs to complete the motif on n+3. So... yeah, that's a little extreme.

Don't think it's extreme I think ZOS are finally adding rewarding content. About time.

In what world is that “rewarding content”?

5k runs, 15minutes minimum. That’s 1250 solid hours (52 days) of doing nothing but vCR just for one motif.

That is extreme, and unreasonable, and is the opposite of a rewarding use of players’ time.

Normal not veteran

As I said earlier, n+3 only grants a single fragment to the entire group. You need to run it on vet if you're serious about farming, or get ready to, literally spend two months of your life grinding the same piece of content repeatedly, looking for fragments.

DanteYoda · August 2018

I'll buy this if it lets me fly around lol

Runs · August 2018

starkerealm wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

Normal Plus 3 isn't that hard. I'll probably just grind it out.

As I recall, on n+3, only 1 person in the group gets a drop. On v+0 it's 3 people, v+3 everyone gets one. I'm not sure about v+1 and v+2, but they have their own payouts as well.

Then you get a page fragment, not a full motif. So, you have a 1 in 12 chance of getting 10% of one random page. Meaning you'd need to run n+3 roughly 120 times to get a single page. 1680 times to get each page, assuming that you never see a duplicate page, and you get one fragment every 12 runs. It's possible you could, theoretically complete it in as little as 140 runs if you have innhumanly good luck, but even the v+3 guys are looking at 140 runs minimum to put the motif together. Realistically, you're probably looking at more like 5k runs to complete the motif on n+3. So... yeah, that's a little extreme.

Don't think it's extreme I think ZOS are finally adding rewarding content. About time.

In what world is that “rewarding content”?

5k runs, 15minutes minimum. That’s 1250 solid hours (52 days) of doing nothing but vCR just for one motif.

That is extreme, and unreasonable, and is the opposite of a rewarding use of players’ time.

Normal not veteran

As I said earlier, n+3 only grants a single fragment to the entire group. You need to run it on vet if you're serious about farming, or get ready to, literally spend two months of your life grinding the same piece of content repeatedly, looking for fragments.

You sure on this? They way I read it was if you do do X you get Y number of frags. Not the group would get Y, but you.

-Edit to note- The spoiler was taken from PTS patch notes, and is not live.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Welkynar Motif
The Welkynar Motif is now available from Cloudrest Trial. This Motif is proudly worn by the gryphon-riding Welkynar themselves, and now you can earn the right to wear and craft this armor too - if you can defeat Z'Maja.
You can earn Welkynar Style Motif Fragments by defeating Z'Maja; more are earned by defeating her on harder difficulties, and she will not drop any Fragments unless fought on Veteran mode, or on Normal mode with all of her Welkynar Shade allies. The amount of Fragments dropped is not randomized, but is based on the configuration of the final boss fight - the harder the fight, the more Motif Fragments you'll obtain.

You can earn a Welkynar Binding once a week by completing the quest "Woe of the Welkynars", a quest in Cloudrest. By activating the Welkynar Binding (which consumes 10 Welkynar Style Motif Fragments), you will create a single random Welkynar Motif chapter, or very rarely, the full Book.

The Welkynar Style Item, Gryphon Plumes, are earned in the same manner: by defeating Z'Maja. You earn more on harder difficulties, and as with the Motif Fragments, you will not earn any if you defeat her on Normal mode without all of her allies with him.

If it truly is per group then that's seriously bad play. 12 members do vCR+3 and only 10 get one frag, that can't be intended.

jypcy · August 2018

Runs wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

Normal Plus 3 isn't that hard. I'll probably just grind it out.

As I recall, on n+3, only 1 person in the group gets a drop. On v+0 it's 3 people, v+3 everyone gets one. I'm not sure about v+1 and v+2, but they have their own payouts as well.

Then you get a page fragment, not a full motif. So, you have a 1 in 12 chance of getting 10% of one random page. Meaning you'd need to run n+3 roughly 120 times to get a single page. 1680 times to get each page, assuming that you never see a duplicate page, and you get one fragment every 12 runs. It's possible you could, theoretically complete it in as little as 140 runs if you have innhumanly good luck, but even the v+3 guys are looking at 140 runs minimum to put the motif together. Realistically, you're probably looking at more like 5k runs to complete the motif on n+3. So... yeah, that's a little extreme.

Don't think it's extreme I think ZOS are finally adding rewarding content. About time.

In what world is that “rewarding content”?

5k runs, 15minutes minimum. That’s 1250 solid hours (52 days) of doing nothing but vCR just for one motif.

That is extreme, and unreasonable, and is the opposite of a rewarding use of players’ time.

Normal not veteran

As I said earlier, n+3 only grants a single fragment to the entire group. You need to run it on vet if you're serious about farming, or get ready to, literally spend two months of your life grinding the same piece of content repeatedly, looking for fragments.

You sure on this? They way I read it was if you do do X you get Y number of frags. Not the group would get Y, but you.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Welkynar Motif
The Welkynar Motif is now available from Cloudrest Trial. This Motif is proudly worn by the gryphon-riding Welkynar themselves, and now you can earn the right to wear and craft this armor too - if you can defeat Z'Maja.
You can earn Welkynar Style Motif Fragments by defeating Z'Maja; more are earned by defeating her on harder difficulties, and she will not drop any Fragments unless fought on Veteran mode, or on Normal mode with all of her Welkynar Shade allies. The amount of Fragments dropped is not randomized, but is based on the configuration of the final boss fight - the harder the fight, the more Motif Fragments you'll obtain.

You can earn a Welkynar Binding once a week by completing the quest "Woe of the Welkynars", a quest in Cloudrest. By activating the Welkynar Binding (which consumes 10 Welkynar Style Motif Fragments), you will create a single random Welkynar Motif chapter, or very rarely, the full Book.

The Welkynar Style Item, Gryphon Plumes, are earned in the same manner: by defeating Z'Maja. You earn more on harder difficulties, and as with the Motif Fragments, you will not earn any if you defeat her on Normal mode without all of her allies with him.

If it truly is per group then that's seriously bad play. 12 members do vCR+3 and only 10 get one frag, that can't be intended.

Yeah that’s how I interpreted it as well. If someone was in a group that got fragments before they were removed, maybe they can confirm. But it made sense to me that if you complete vet hm then everyone gets a full page ( at least once per week).

Still definitely a grind, but not 5000 runs at least.

Kuramas9tails · August 2018

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

It’s required for Master Writs so no it isn’t just cosmetic anymore. This is such transparent *** and it’s sickening how little ZOS cares about putting the full extent of their greed on display to their player base

The style is obtainable in-game...

You just have to pray to the ZOS gods that you will find a decent group willing to increase the chances by +1 or more on top of it rarely dropping for someone who is willing to sell it to you without costing an arm and a leg all while the other 10 people in group want it as well.

purple-magicb16_ESO · August 2018

In other news, the sun will rise tomorrow.

code65536 · August 2018

When they pulled the same nonsense with the Dragon Bones motifs, I wrote,

This is unprecedented--in the past, ZOS had the courtesy of releasing motifs on the CS after a period of time of exclusive in-game sourcing. Motifs were treated as a way to encourage people to engage with the content and to... well, play the game. But now? Instead of being enticements to play the game, they are enticements to open your wallet. Not only does this cheapen the fruits of gameplay, it also signals an alarming shift from ZOS--from the primacy of gameplay to the primacy of the Crown Store.

Katahdin · August 2018

Because of the grind involved, I predict pages will sell for 500K per page minimum.

I don't care to grind that much gold let alone pay those prices for a motif
I don't care to live in Cloudrest for the next year grinding pages

It is actually more cost effective and time effective for me to buy it from the crown store
If it was not released now, I would wait for it and not buy in game for the reasons above

Runs · August 2018

Katahdin wrote: »

Because of the grind involved, I predict pages will sell for 500K per page minimum.

I don't care to grind that much gold let alone pay those prices for a motif
I don't care to live in Cloudrest for the next year grinding pages

It is actually more cost effective and time effective for me to buy it from the crown store
If it was not released now, I would wait for it and not buy in game for the reasons above

The pages cant sell that high, not while it's available via the crown store.

Crown Store 5k = 1m, 6k =1.2m gold with trade at 200 gold per crown. People will just pay for the full book from crown item sellers instead of page by page from farmers.

Crafts_Many_Boxes · August 2018

Runs wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Because of the grind involved, I predict pages will sell for 500K per page minimum.

I don't care to grind that much gold let alone pay those prices for a motif
I don't care to live in Cloudrest for the next year grinding pages

It is actually more cost effective and time effective for me to buy it from the crown store
If it was not released now, I would wait for it and not buy in game for the reasons above

The pages cant sell that high, not while it's available via the crown store.

Crown Store 5k = 1m, 6k =1.2m gold with trade at 200 gold per crown. People will just pay for the full book from crown item sellers instead of page by page from farmers.

This is sound reasoning, and something I honestly did not consider. The gifting system creates hard price caps on items that are found from both sources, so these will never sell for outrageous prices.

This creates an interesting dilemma though; grinding a million gold is time consuming, but FAR less time consuming than gathering all the motifs via the trial (and that's assuming you are able to complete the trial with +3 - most are not).

So, this isn't going to drive up interest in Cloudrest at all. They've managed to make the system so prohibitively grindy that the best option is to farm gold in other ways and buy the complete book from a gifter. Sure, people who are already completing the trial will be gaining fragments now, but I don't see the participation numbers going up at all.

Jhalin · August 2018

Crafts_Many_Boxes wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Because of the grind involved, I predict pages will sell for 500K per page minimum.

I don't care to grind that much gold let alone pay those prices for a motif
I don't care to live in Cloudrest for the next year grinding pages

It is actually more cost effective and time effective for me to buy it from the crown store
If it was not released now, I would wait for it and not buy in game for the reasons above

The pages cant sell that high, not while it's available via the crown store.

Crown Store 5k = 1m, 6k =1.2m gold with trade at 200 gold per crown. People will just pay for the full book from crown item sellers instead of page by page from farmers.

This is sound reasoning, and something I honestly did not consider. The gifting system creates hard price caps on items that are found from both sources, so these will never sell for outrageous prices.

This creates an interesting dilemma though; grinding a million gold is time consuming, but FAR less time consuming than gathering all the motifs via the trial (and that's assuming you are able to complete the trial with +3 - most are not).

So, this isn't going to drive up interest in Cloudrest at all. They've managed to make the system so prohibitively grindy that the best option is to farm gold in other ways and buy the complete book from a gifter. Sure, people who are already completing the trial will be gaining fragments now, but I don't see the participation numbers going up at all.

That was the entire point of making the grind so terrible, so people would pay instead of play

Recremen · August 2018

Golly gee I wonder what ever happened to that thing where they were going to wait until a certain amount of the population in-game had the motif before releasing to the cash shop?

Katahdin · August 2018

Believe me, I'm not happy about it, but I would like that motif on my account.
After grinding gold for over a year after housing came out, my tolerance for grinding is about nil right now.

Integral1900 · August 2018

Well never mind, I don’t have the time to grind it and even using sales prices I can’t justify dumping that much cash to buy it... so sod it, on to the next motif

Valrien · August 2018

Integral1900 wrote: »

Well never mind, I don’t have the time to grind it and even using sales prices I can’t justify dumping that much cash to buy it... so sod it, on to the next motif

Buy it with gold then.

frausty · August 2018

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Hal_Moore wrote: »

Yes lets not fund the game you play...smart.

Servers require upkeep and employees require paychecks. . .Surprise!

Basic math using ZoS' own number can tell you how far from reality you are. It's all profit and has been for quite a long time.

I am constantly surprised that people argue that game companies need money. Some game releases are approaching $1B...

I'm sorry but this is utter rubbish. I've previously posted on this topic and won't repeat it again but you really need to understand business to realise how far from the truth your statement is.

DivineFirstYOLO · August 2018

Runs wrote: »

The pages cant sell that high, not while it's available via the crown store.

Crown Store 5k = 1m, 6k =1.2m gold with trade at 200 gold per crown. People will just pay for the full book from crown item sellers instead of page by page from farmers.

There is one thing that you forget about. Not everybody trusts a random guy from zone chat enough to give him 1.2m gold...and this is how it is going to be, one of the 2 parties has to trade first. I will collect the pages, already got 30 fragments from clearing +2 several times.