VaranisArano wrote: »Elwendryll wrote: »Just allow us to buy build slots like outfit slots.
This way we can swap whenever we want between two static builds, and still have to pay the full price when we want to change something in a build. The respec scroll becomes the equivalent of an outfit token.
People are not all altoholics. I want to be able to tank on my main. But being a tank is so boring out of dungeons that I can't do that because it's too much commitment, I can't properly tank for only one dungeon without spending 25k golds... Two times...
Do you need to swap skills or can you just swap which morphs you have?
It costs far less you just swap morphs. I don't know what your build looks like, but I can manage to play a PVE tank, PVP healer, and full crafter all on the same character with enough skill points that I would only have to swap out morphs.
VaranisArano wrote: »The only reason it doesn't make sense to you now is that now you can see that you are only changing one skill, instead of before when you had to reset your whole build even though you were only changing one skill.
I think the reason it doesn't make sense to people is they take the logic that when you just changed morphs you were making less changes than the total skill respec and you were charged less for it, so on that basis they expected to also be charged less for changing one skill than when they reset the whole lot.
DaveMoeDee wrote: »MaleAmazon wrote: »And that's the reason they did this. They don't care about us, they care about their money.
While I resent some of the ZOS business model as I think it devalues RPGs (limited-time pets etc), it´s not free to run those servers, create new content, and so on. I also create creative content on occasion, and let me tell you, there is no dichotomy between wanting to create something good and making money. ESO+ costs less per month than it costs me to eat *once* at my fav. restaurant on a weekend.
Some people have to pay rent.
While I get that ESO is an MMO and so has ongoing expenses that the vast majority of games generally don't have -- which is why I'm fine with the Crown Store being in the game -- you're lying to yourself if you don't think Zenimax is pushing monetisation hard for pure profits, instead of keeping the game afloat.
To put it into perspective, some of the time-exclusive houses cost as much as a triple-A console game ($50+ USD). A single practically vanity item costs as much as a full game. With the usual whales, that alone should keep the game afloat, on top of the upfront purchase of ESO. Then you factor in the upfront purchase of the game, then you add in the sub, then you add the rest of the Crown Store in, and Zenimax right there is making a killing in terms of profit. And that's not even touching Crown Crates, which potentially doubled Zenimax's revenue if you assume Crown Crates perform as well as other lootbox implementations.
Zenimax isn't struggling to keep the game afloat, they're just lining their pockets. Lootboxes alone could keep ESO going, if we're being honest. Just look at how well lootboxes with simple cosmetics do.
If any large publisher was struggling to keep a game afloat, that game would be closed down. I have no idea why people get bogged down in such logic. Large businesses don't continue with low margin businesses unless it is a growth business or is part of a larger strategy.
And why do people pretend they have any idea of what ZOS's books look like? They even mention upfront purchase of a game regularly on sale for $10. Give me a break.
And what does any of this have to do with skill respecs as a gold sink that has been in place since long before the crown store? And they actually already cut the cost of respecs in half. And all of this has nothing to do with ZOS implementing this long requested update to the skill respec UI. Sadly, there is a crowd that feels compelled to rant about the crown store and the game being profitable in every thread, even when completely irrelevant.
I'm talking about this because some people do indeed think that that 700 Crown respec scroll makes a difference -- it was used as a point for keeping the respec cost where it currently is at, reducing it may discourage purchases of the respec scroll. Which, as I'm pointing out, the scroll is merely extra profits on top of the already huge pile of profits.
Further, reducing the price wouldn't make a difference regardless. People generally don't purchase the respec scroll because it is somehow "cheaper", they purchase it out of convenience. They purchase it generally to be able to respec when they want to, without having to go to a shrine. The new respec system still requires you to go to a shrine, so to anybody arguing that reducing the price in some way will hurt Zenimax's bottom line with the respec scroll, it won't. It is solving a different problem than the problem that the respec problem solves, frankly a problem that was just introduced with the new respec system.
And you can get a good idea of how well Zenimax is doing by gauging how well microtransactions are doing throughout the entire industry. There is a reason why the industry has been seeing widespread adoption of microtransactions over the past few years. And there is a reason why Zenimax has been adopting microtransactions more and more recently, too. To have the one thing microtransactions just rake in: more profit.
Elwendryll wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Elwendryll wrote: »Just allow us to buy build slots like outfit slots.
This way we can swap whenever we want between two static builds, and still have to pay the full price when we want to change something in a build. The respec scroll becomes the equivalent of an outfit token.
People are not all altoholics. I want to be able to tank on my main. But being a tank is so boring out of dungeons that I can't do that because it's too much commitment, I can't properly tank for only one dungeon without spending 25k golds... Two times...
Do you need to swap skills or can you just swap which morphs you have?
It costs far less you just swap morphs. I don't know what your build looks like, but I can manage to play a PVE tank, PVP healer, and full crafter all on the same character with enough skill points that I would only have to swap out morphs.
Actually, that has nothing to do with the skills. It's only the morphs, but I would be glad to be able to swap morphs and CP and attributes points xD
I have enough points, as I said, it's my main, I miss like 30 AvA rank points, and maybe 3-10 points from clockwork/summerset.
I can theorycraft as much as I want, it's very restrictive to tank with 64 attribute points into stamina.
VaranisArano wrote: »
That's fair, build slots would be a great addition, especially for console players that don't have the gear swap addons that PC does. I suspect build slots would wind up as monetized as outfit slots did or it would simply charge you the same amount of gold as doing it at the shrines would each time you swapped CP/attributes/morphs, but it would still be a pretty convenient addition.
VaranisArano wrote: »PS: I don't care about respect scrolls in the Crown store and I don't know anyone who uses it. As far as I'm concerned, all consumables in the crown store can be thrown in a huge bonfire.
Oh, agreed. But ZOS does care about those consumables. So any attempt to convince ZOS that they should change to a charge-per-skill-changed system that would effectively devalue those 700 crown respec scrolls has to convince ZOS, not the players.
I can't think of too many players who would object to a charge-per-skill-changed system. I just don't think its likely to happen.
We have been asking for a way to change a few skill points and not all of them since beta. No one asked for a single skill point change for it to cost the same as a full skill point change. ZOS comes out with this system, its no wonder most people are not happy.
People are not going to see the convienence factor when all they can see is the cost.
Why would someone pay the full price for a single spell respec? This punishes people who enjoy both pve and pvp as both game types will become expensive to maintain when switching between. Why is it so annoying to be both a pvper and pver? please make the respec scale in gold and make a duel spec system. this system sounds badly implemented and a horrible gold sink.
Edit: Nearly 20k for a single skill reset for me and this punishes the completionists the most with more skillpoints. I can choose the clear morph option to reset MANY morphed skills for a lot cheaper but why does resetting only 1 skill cost 20k? Consistency would be great here.
Ok so morph reset still clear it all?I really enjoyed the system despite the fact it didn't come with a cost discount. Just mindlessly clicking 300+ times for every character was really unpleasant. Did the respec on 3 chars that had finished research and on another just I could extract 3 skill points from a passive that I now considered useless (keen eye for jewelry crafting). So 4 in total. It was around 75K, which isn't much for me and shouldn't be for someone who has had a dozen maximum level characters for a long time. For someone who has just started the game, and maybe has a single maximum level character, and hasn't had time to do all the quests, that cost is much smaller. For example for a functional build you need 120-150 skill points, which is 6-7.5K per respec. You can make that much by literally selling the trash that drops from mobs while questing for a couple of hours. As for changing from PvE to PvP, the only things you need to change is the morphs, which is 2-3K. I would really like it if they introduced the same menu for that kind of respec too.
Joy_Division wrote: »Sometimes I struggle to comprehend how it was that the capitalist system gained acceptance by the majority of people in societies that do not benefit, indeed are gouged by the system.
Then I come onto these forums and it's clear to me. Many people will justify a system that gouges themselves.
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It is kind of like that
Ok so morph reset still clear it all?I really enjoyed the system despite the fact it didn't come with a cost discount. Just mindlessly clicking 300+ times for every character was really unpleasant. Did the respec on 3 chars that had finished research and on another just I could extract 3 skill points from a passive that I now considered useless (keen eye for jewelry crafting). So 4 in total. It was around 75K, which isn't much for me and shouldn't be for someone who has had a dozen maximum level characters for a long time. For someone who has just started the game, and maybe has a single maximum level character, and hasn't had time to do all the quests, that cost is much smaller. For example for a functional build you need 120-150 skill points, which is 6-7.5K per respec. You can make that much by literally selling the trash that drops from mobs while questing for a couple of hours. As for changing from PvE to PvP, the only things you need to change is the morphs, which is 2-3K. I would really like it if they introduced the same menu for that kind of respec too.
So I have to note who morphs I use.
Joy_Division wrote: »Sometimes I struggle to comprehend how it was that the capitalist system gained acceptance by the majority of people in societies that do not benefit, indeed are gouged by the system.
Then I come onto these forums and it's clear to me. Many people will justify a system that gouges themselves.
It is kind of like that
Thanks, and yes an reset all option is still nice if doing magic<->stamina swaps.Ok so morph reset still clear it all?I really enjoyed the system despite the fact it didn't come with a cost discount. Just mindlessly clicking 300+ times for every character was really unpleasant. Did the respec on 3 chars that had finished research and on another just I could extract 3 skill points from a passive that I now considered useless (keen eye for jewelry crafting). So 4 in total. It was around 75K, which isn't much for me and shouldn't be for someone who has had a dozen maximum level characters for a long time. For someone who has just started the game, and maybe has a single maximum level character, and hasn't had time to do all the quests, that cost is much smaller. For example for a functional build you need 120-150 skill points, which is 6-7.5K per respec. You can make that much by literally selling the trash that drops from mobs while questing for a couple of hours. As for changing from PvE to PvP, the only things you need to change is the morphs, which is 2-3K. I would really like it if they introduced the same menu for that kind of respec too.
So I have to note who morphs I use.
No, the morph reset also allows you to adjust only the morphs you want to change without adjusting everything else (but there is a reset all option if that is what you want to do).
Only ZOS could take something players overwhelmingly wanted, then proceed to warp it into something players do not want.
And that's why I unsubbed. Spending my money elsewhere on devs that give a damn [looks in Digital Extremes direction ]
Even though I have the gold to use this 'QoL' respec system, I'm still going to end up using the old one. Over 20k...for one...skill....?.......lolno
fixed that for you... all for a sweet sub 2k price tag.Aliyavana, I don't understand you. Really.
You are saying it's too expensive to pay 20k gold only to change a few morphs.
Then people point out that you only need to pay like 1650 gold to change morphs.
You then ignore that fact and state it would be okay for you if you needed to pay a flat amount of 2-3k gold.
Whut? What am I missing here?
Who is changing more than a few morphs anyways? A full skillpoint reset needs to be done when? If you have enough points, all you need to do is change morphs anyways and that costs less than 3k gold even on chars with maximum skillpoints.
Sometimes people want to try the stamina/magica (<--- whichever they aren't) version of their class, or they want to try their class as a hybrid ... either way, a respec would be in order since you would need to switch out a fair number of morphs.
Yes, but if you have that many skill points wouldn’t you just have 2 builds? One for PvE and one for PvP?
If that’s the case, wouldn’t you just have to pay the fee once?
Yes, expensive, but surely cheaper in the long run compared with respeccing daily?
I just respecced, mainly for curiosity’s sake, but I did need to update skills due to the Psijic skill line. I had over 100 skill points (not sure exactly) and it cost me 8,400 gold.
one build requires me to change the morph of one skill to another for pvp to pve and it costs me nearly 20k
joaaocaampos wrote: »My cost is 20k. That is, I have 100 skill points left over. I just need to change morphs. Im fine.
Really boggles my mind when people defend things that screw them. Oh, we need to pay 15k to remove a single passive? That's fine!
EvilAutoTech wrote: »Now I'm worried I might be up for a ban for exploiting.
I don't respec very often. Five times since console launch and three of those have been since Summerset. The three most recent respecs have cost me 1g per skill point. Xbox NA.
When I started reading threads about this issue, I admit that I was confused. Spending a few hundred gold to reset one or all of the skill points did not sound like something to worry about.
I wanted to respec again because there are points spent in some weapon skill lines that I'm not currently using. I don't know if I should do it now or wait for the update. Should not have to worry about a ban for playing the game the way it was released.
I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't cost more than before the update.
I gathered it was only supposed to make respec easier, not cheaper.
Really boggles my mind when people defend things that screw them. Oh, we need to pay 15k to remove a single passive? That's fine!
What boggles my mind is why are you complaining? This is EXACTLY the same how it was before. So what is your point? Nothing has changed. We are still paying the same as we were before. How are we defending something that screws us when it was always like this?
Let's look at it another way. What are people really complaining about? Fake money? Fake gold? So sell a bit more. So many people still say it's easy to make money.
If it's about fake money, then make a new toon and then you will not have to respect. This way you can play EXACTLY the way you want. So no you are not even paying in fake gold. How cheap do people have to be? There are options. You can even respect without paying any fake gold or real money at all.
Now another way to look at it. Why should people be able to respect on skill easily? This way people will just do it every hour with no "loss" at all. Now we can say ESO is pay to win with fake gold currency. Isn't having a build suppose to take on all comers? Now people will have an easier time to mix and match.
Oh this guy at that keep has this. Let me respect. Oh that person over there has this. Let me respect.
Another thing that boggles my mind is what are you going to do about these people? Maybe we can let people respect on skill, but ONLY ONCE A MONTH so they don't keep respecing every 5 minutes so they get the upper hand.
ruikkarikun wrote: »Then it's stupid. Not worth to pay full price to change one skill. Totally joke, trolling, etc.