Request: Make Mages' Fury a real execute

Valrien · August 2018

Instead of being a delayed burst, make one of the morphs a proper execute that does 300-400% more damage at low health so that Sorcs have an execute in PvE (no one uses Mages' Fury in PvE)

If you make only one of the morphs this way, then PvP Sorcs get their burst, AND PvE Sorcs get their proper execute

erlewine · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

(no one uses Mages' Fury in PvE)

:thinking:

xericdx · August 2018

Mage fury might not be super meta in PvE because of all the toggles a sorc usue (also linked to the non-optimal mag recovery), but is still a good alternatives. It is already used by several players even in Trials, especially for bosses with low health burst mechanic.

Personally, I would rather leave the "flavour" the skill has as I prefer having classes that feel different from each other

Beardimus · August 2018

Why does anyone need a buff in PvE? Seriously

And why arent you using it below 20% to execute, it's a dps gain.

Kikke · August 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

Why does anyone need a buff in PvE? Seriously

And why arent you using it below 20% to execute, it's a dps gain.

In end game trial runs sorcs have dropped execute as its a dps loss over normal rotation.

Beardimus · August 2018

kikkehs wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Why does anyone need a buff in PvE? Seriously

And why arent you using it below 20% to execute, it's a dps gain.

In end game trial runs sorcs have dropped execute as its a dps loss over normal rotation.

Ok, some have, some haven't. Those that have are they struggling?

Does anyone need PvE to get easier? That's my point.

Valrien · August 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

kikkehs wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Why does anyone need a buff in PvE? Seriously

And why arent you using it below 20% to execute, it's a dps gain.

In end game trial runs sorcs have dropped execute as its a dps loss over normal rotation.

Ok, some have, some haven't. Those that have are they struggling?

Does anyone need PvE to get easier? That's my point.

1. Most have

2. Why not make the classes better and overall feel better to play, then make the PvE harder?

trowlk · August 2018

I've doing some battlegrounds recently, and I'm constantly dying from Sorcerer's RKO out of nowhere Implosions.
I don't think Sorcerers need an excecute ability as much as Dragon Knight class does.

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

this thread is officially a nerf sorc thread

Valrien · August 2018

trowlk wrote: »

I've doing some battlegrounds recently, and I'm constantly dying from Sorcerer's RKO out of nowhere Implosions.
I don't think Sorcerers need an excecute ability as much as Dragon Knight class does.

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

this thread is officially a nerf sorc thread

That has nothing to do with the proposed idea

AuraNebula · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

trowlk wrote: »

I've doing some battlegrounds recently, and I'm constantly dying from Sorcerer's RKO out of nowhere Implosions.
I don't think Sorcerers need an excecute ability as much as Dragon Knight class does.

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

this thread is officially a nerf sorc thread

That has nothing to do with the proposed idea

Of course it doesn't. If you even just think the word sorc, someone is going to start whining about how they're so OP and need to be nerfed. Even though they've been nerfed over and over. Even their sets get nerfed. They won't be happy until sorcs are completely removed from the game.

Tasear · August 2018

kikkehs wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Why does anyone need a buff in PvE? Seriously

And why arent you using it below 20% to execute, it's a dps gain.

In end game trial runs sorcs have dropped execute as its a dps loss over normal rotation.

Do you have any screenshots to prove this point? So I can pass along concern properly.

Kikke · August 2018

Ofc @Tasear, tho I wont be home before a couple days. So will get back too you.

Kikke · August 2018

But as an example. Its decent still on a 3mill or a 6mill dummy. But on current trial bosseas as vAS and vCR. A sorc will not start executing before 5% hp, while NBs have been spamming theirs for 20% hp allready.

Septimus_Magna · August 2018

100% agree with the OP, the problem with the current mages fury morphs is that its either too strong in PVP or weak in PVE to the point its not worth a slot on your bar.

If you have one normal execute and one delayed burst execute the dmg factors could be managed seperately. This could make one morph good for PVE and one morph good for PVP but not overly powerful. Win-win for everyone.

SilverWF · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Instead of being a delayed burst, make one of the morphs a proper execute that does 300-400% more damage at low health so that Sorcs have an execute in PvE (no one uses Mages' Fury in PvE)

If you make only one of the morphs this way, then PvP Sorcs get their burst, AND PvE Sorcs get their proper execute

Emmm... Have you ever played Sorc?

code65536 · August 2018

kikkehs wrote: »

But as an example. Its decent still on a 3mill or a 6mill dummy. But on current trial bosseas as vAS and vCR. A sorc will not start executing before 5% hp, while NBs have been spamming theirs for 20% hp allready.

lolwut?

Sorcs start executing at 20%, not at 5%. Why on earth would they wait until 5% to execute?

The sorc execute is still a DPS gain in execute. Which probably explains why I still see sorc executes in trials runs.

The only situation in which sorcs will forgo execute is if they can't afford the bar space. But who runs a petsorc these days in trials anyway?

Derra · August 2018

xericdx wrote: »

Mage fury might not be super meta in PvE because of all the toggles a sorc usue (also linked to the non-optimal mag recovery), but is still a good alternatives. It is already used by several players even in Trials, especially for bosses with low health burst mechanic.

Personally, I would rather leave the "flavour" the skill has as I prefer having classes that feel different from each other

I´d love to see some change to one of the morphs as they´re currently way too similar imo.

frostz417 · August 2018

Princessrhaenyra wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

trowlk wrote: »

I've doing some battlegrounds recently, and I'm constantly dying from Sorcerer's RKO out of nowhere Implosions.
I don't think Sorcerers need an excecute ability as much as Dragon Knight class does.

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

this thread is officially a nerf sorc thread

That has nothing to do with the proposed idea

Of course it doesn't. If you even just think the word sorc, someone is going to start whining about how they're so OP and need to be nerfed. Even though they've been nerfed over and over. Even their sets get nerfed. They won't be happy until sorcs are completely removed from the game.

You must be a main sorc. Clearly you haven’t been here for the super absurd rune cage buff. Sorcs haven’t been getting nerfed at all. They get indirect buffs every patch. And they are the most OP class ever. Broken delayed execute 3 shields, rune cage, and the best burst of any class. I literally slapped on shackle and lich on my pve sorc and went into BG’s and would just utterly annilalate kids. Such a joke of a class with hold your hand passives and stupid burst. It takes no skill to endless fury, rune cage, meteor/frags, done. And stack shields and streak away when in danger. The class is so overpowered it’s an absolute joke to play. And 90% of sorc mains are trash on any other class. Ffs you have a passive THATS AN EXECUTE!!!. Until sorcs have been nerfed as hard as a dk or Templar you have no right to cry about your easy no skill class.

Avran_Sylt · August 2018

Does it not insta-proc the" below 20% HP" condition when it hits the enemy at or below 20% HP? Effectively giving the Sorc 2 Damage instances in which to proc Implosion, in addition to a harder hitting "spammable" AKA execute?

SilverWF · August 2018

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Does it not insta-proc the" below 20% HP" condition when it hits the enemy at or below 20% HP? Effectively giving the Sorc 2 Damage instances in which to proc Implosion, in addition to a harder hitting "spammable" AKA execute?

It is.

Kikke · August 2018

code65536 wrote: »

kikkehs wrote: »

But as an example. Its decent still on a 3mill or a 6mill dummy. But on current trial bosseas as vAS and vCR. A sorc will not start executing before 5% hp, while NBs have been spamming theirs for 20% hp allready.

lolwut?

Sorcs start executing at 20%, not at 5%. Why on earth would they wait until 5% to execute?

The sorc execute is still a DPS gain in execute. Which probably explains why I still see sorc executes in trials runs.

The only situation in which sorcs will forgo execute is if they can't afford the bar space. But who runs a petsorc these days in trials anyway?

Wrong, as a endgame sorc your eather a asylum staff force pulse spammer for debuff or we go with ele wep. First build your team dont want your executes, they want the debuffs.

And with ele wep rotation executing before 5% is a dps loss.

Kikke · August 2018

Here we got mages wrath.
Increases the damage dealt to other enemies nearby.
Call down lightning to strike an enemy, dealing 732 Shock Damage. If the enemy falls to or below 20% Health within 4 seconds, an explosion deals an additional 2591 Shock Damage to them and [942 / 952 / 963 / 973] Shock Damage to other enemies nearby.

Compare it too any other execute.
I want a real execute please..

And before you say implosion.

When you deal Shock Damage, you have a 6% chance to instantly disintegrate enemies under 15% Health, dealing 4372 Shock Damage. When you deal Physical Damage, you have a 6% chance to instantly pulverize enemies under 15% Health, dealing 4372 Physical Damage.

Utter rng on 15%.. lol!

Avran_Sylt · August 2018

@kikkehs

Could you compare it to any other execute?

2591/732 = 3.54

Meaning the proc is an additional 354% damage...

So... What's your problem? Is it the wording?

acw37162 · August 2018

Every one wants their to difference and variety between the classes until it’s the class they play then they want to it same.

Please leave Mages Fury as it is, thank you.

Valrien · August 2018

SilverWF wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Instead of being a delayed burst, make one of the morphs a proper execute that does 300-400% more damage at low health so that Sorcs have an execute in PvE (no one uses Mages' Fury in PvE)

If you make only one of the morphs this way, then PvP Sorcs get their burst, AND PvE Sorcs get their proper execute

Emmm... Have you ever played Sorc?

Sounds like you've never played Sorc (at least properly) if you use the execute in this current patch.

The problem with it is it needs a damage buff in it's current state, and theres still a slight delay in PvE which kinda just makes it feel bad to use...thing is you don't wanna directly buff the damage and proc speed though in it's current state because that would get Sorc nerfed even harder in PvP

Because...you know, that happens whenever Sorc gets a single kill. All aboard the nerf train, whoo whooo.

Septimus_Magna · August 2018

acw37162 wrote: »

Every one wants their to difference and variety between the classes until it’s the class they play then they want to it same.

Please leave Mages Fury as it is, thank you.

You need both morphs to stay the same?
If so, why?

SilverWF · August 2018

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@kikkehs

Could you compare it to any other execute?

2591/732 = 3.54

Meaning the proc is an additional 354% damage...

So... What's your problem? Is it the wording?

Well, it's additional 254% damage, but generally you are right - it acts in the same way (and damage scaling) as Assasin's Blade
I din't understand what OP are asking for and, pretty sure, he didn't understand that too

Valrien wrote: »

Sounds like you've never played Sorc (at least properly) if you use the execute in this current patch.

The problem with it is it needs a damage buff in it's current state, and theres still a slight delay in PvE which kinda just makes it feel bad to use...thing is you don't wanna directly buff the damage and proc speed though in it's current state because that would get Sorc nerfed even harder in PvP

Because...you know, that happens whenever Sorc gets a single kill. All aboard the nerf train, whoo whooo.

I see no reasons to NOT use such a strong skill

Delay? Yes, ~100-300ms.
Is it huge? Not at all.
Does it may cause troubles? Lol, why?
Is it better or worse than NB's one? NB can start spam his execute at 25% - Sorcs at 20%. But Sorcs has AOE part - this is useful too. Also, Sorcs actually 2 hits - this can be useful to procs either.

Valrien · August 2018

SilverWF wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@kikkehs

Could you compare it to any other execute?

2591/732 = 3.54

Meaning the proc is an additional 354% damage...

So... What's your problem? Is it the wording?

Well, it's additional 254% damage, but generally you are right - it acts in the same way (and damage scaling) as Assasin's Blade
I din't understand what OP are asking for and, pretty sure, he didn't understand that too

Valrien wrote: »

Sounds like you've never played Sorc (at least properly) if you use the execute in this current patch.

The problem with it is it needs a damage buff in it's current state, and theres still a slight delay in PvE which kinda just makes it feel bad to use...thing is you don't wanna directly buff the damage and proc speed though in it's current state because that would get Sorc nerfed even harder in PvP

Because...you know, that happens whenever Sorc gets a single kill. All aboard the nerf train, whoo whooo.

I see no reasons to NOT use such a strong skill

Delay? Yes, ~100-300ms.
Is it huge? Not at all.
Does it may cause troubles? Lol, why?
Is it better or worse than NB's one? NB can start spam his execute at 25% - Sorcs at 20%. But Sorcs has AOE part - this is useful too. Also, Sorcs actually 2 hits - this can be useful to procs either.

And yet it doesn't really do enough damage to be worth using.

Problem with this is a damage buff will cause Sorcs to get super nerfed in PvP because people will hate it.

So it would be better to make it function as a regular execute and just buff the initial damage, and leave one morph as it is for PvP.

Yes, I very much understand what I'm asking for. The skill is very uncomfortable to use, and isn't really worth it

In general it would be great if a lot of skills had a "PvP version" so that they could be buffed and nerfed separately without hurting either crowd

Avran_Sylt · August 2018

@Valrien

...Uhhh....
Damage is a fair point, though I think partly the reason for it is to balance it against the sorcs implosion passive. (which seems odd, as NB execute doesn't seem balanced against their +10% crit damage)

But.... Just making it do +354% Damage to opponents below 20% HP on the initial damage tick is reaaaaally just a useless change. Just bump up both numbers by a specific % .....if anything....

Avran_Sylt · August 2018

@Valrien

Especially since it procs the second explosion as soon as the first one hits... It's like... The same *** thing in terms of the time-period in which the damage occurs...

Valrien · August 2018

Mages' Fury is already great for PvP though.

And if Sorcs get buffed for PvP then people will complain until they get nerfed twice as hard, because the PvP community subscribes to the "one step forward, two steps back" mentality