My resources are lower on pts right now, is this a bug? (SOLVED)
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drummindrummer
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I have attached 2 images. The first one is from the live servers. And the second one is from the PTS. The character builds are exactly the same. I've went over it multiple times to make sure I didn't miss anything.
This is on a mag character using blue food for mag and health. As you can see, both my mag and health are slightly lower. Is this happening to anyone else. I've submitted a bug report twice but have not heard anything back. I truly hope this is just a bug because I don't know how many more nerfs I can handle lol. It's on my pet sorc, so that small loss in max mag made me do 2k less dps.
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drummindrummer✭✭✭Also I should mention, it has been this way for this entire PTS cycle, since 3 weeks ago0
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Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There is a bug that makes your stats fluctuate , it happens when you consume food/drink.(the bug is also there on live servers though)
Test your stats without an active food/drink.Edited by Ragnarock41 on August 4, 2018 5:55AM0 -
drummindrummer✭✭✭Yeah this isnt that bug. This is something new introduced in the new pts cycle. I've tested everything I can think of and this is either some new type of bug, or they changed the way food is calculated. The values that the food give have remained the same. Like I said I just really hope it's a bug lol.0
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drummindrummer✭✭✭If anyone can test this and compare it to their live character that would be great so we can shine some light on this situation. Since I've posted this topic, I've had two friends test it and the same thing is happening to them.0
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drummindrummer✭✭✭Also when I first noticed the bug, the second week of the pts our live characters where copied over. I logged into my sorc and it had the correct stats with food that was still applied from live servers when copied. As soon as I reapplied food, the bug took effect and my stats were lowerEdited by drummindrummer on August 4, 2018 1:21PM0
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Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have noticed this every PTS
There are all kinds of changes being made to everything so stats are going to be different. And to battle the Power Creep, we usually get a small nerf. How much of this makes it to live is different each time.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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drummindrummer✭✭✭I've never noticed my max stats be different. Just hoping it's not intended. Because this is taking away fron health too. And sustain is already so bad in this game where we have to use regen food. Health is gonna be getting pretty low if that's the case0
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Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭drummindrummer wrote: »I've never noticed my max stats be different. Just hoping it's not intended. Because this is taking away fron health too. And sustain is already so bad in this game where we have to use regen food. Health is gonna be getting pretty low if that's the case
You’ll want to post screenshots of your full build, @drummindrummer ... if you want us to help.
Because the combat changes for this patch will touch almost every build and skill setup.0 -
drummindrummer✭✭✭
this is from pts
and this one is from liveEdited by drummindrummer on August 4, 2018 3:02PM0 -
drummindrummer✭✭✭CP is slightly different but should not affect overall stat pool, and never has in the past0
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drummindrummer✭✭✭Whoops, I left a shock enchant on my frontbar on pts because I was testing things. I've checked a dozen times to ensure everything is identical. Did a passive change maybe? Like the pet one that gives health. Or maybe the percentage of max mag that inner light gives? I will check those things next time I'm on. If that may be the case it just seems odd that both of them would change at the same time. I haven't seen any mention of anything that would cause this in the patch notes. Shouldn't they let us know if they do something like that? I know it may not seem like much resources lost, but that mag cost me 2k dps lol.0
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drummindrummer✭✭✭Or could it be something to do with the warewolf that they added to the template this pts?
edit: ok I cured warewolf. I checked inner light values and they are the same. I took away mage guild passive and added back to make sure it added mag. And daedric summoning passive still says 8% health. Stats are still lowEdited by drummindrummer on August 4, 2018 3:31PM0 -
drummindrummer✭✭✭This is the third(fourth?) week in a row that this bug has been present on pts. It would be awesome if people could check this out and maybe post some screenshots of their own, or maybe file a bug report. I really don't want this bug making it into live next patch. Thanks guys
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Don't see a problem on my end.
My PC/EU character on Live:
That same character on the PTS:
(The Spell Resistance is slightly difference since I have some extra points spent in Spell Shield on the PTS.)Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:SpoilerPersonal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Also, you should be trying to narrow down the discrepancy.- Remove your food buffs (right-click on it on the character sheet), remove all your gear, remove all the abilities from your bars. Do this on both Live and PTS.
- Compare the stats.
- If the stats are the same, then put on your armor. Compare again.
- If the stats are still the same, then fill your skill bars.
- If the stats are still the same, then eat your food.
At some point, you'll see where they diverge, and you'll be able to pinpoint it.
PS: Losing a few hundred max magicka does not translate into anything close to 2K DPS. More like 0.2K DPS.Edited by code65536 on August 4, 2018 6:49PMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:SpoilerPersonal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorOther Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information1 -
drummindrummer✭✭✭Yeah I've tried that stuff. It seems to be only when I aoply the food. Two of my friends have the same problem. Maybe it's only on NA server? I'll try on EU when I log on next. And this is on a pet sorc. The pets scale only off of magic. I have a very tight rotation and get almost the exact same dps every time. And I lost 2k0
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drummindrummer✭✭✭Oh, also reapply your food on your character on pts. When I first logged into my character it was fine after they were first copied, it was only after I reapplied food that the bug took place0
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭drummindrummer wrote: »Oh, also reapply your food on your character on pts. When I first logged into my character it was fine after they were first copied, it was only after I reapplied food that the bug took place
My food had been reapplied several times since I had already spent several hours on the PTS with that character.
Do you notice this with all food types? I'm using Witchmothers on both servers. Did you eat the food on the same bar on both servers? (Since I recall there being an issue with food stats being a bit different depending on which bar you ate on in some cases.)Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:SpoilerPersonal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorOther Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information0 -
drummindrummer✭✭✭Also, how did you get a screenshot of your character on pts? They wiped the servers again last week and the characters aren't copied over. Well for me at least hahaEdited by drummindrummer on August 4, 2018 7:27PM0
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭drummindrummer wrote: »Also, how did you get a screenshot of your character on pts? They wiped the servers again last week and the characters aren't copied over. Well for me at least haha
Yes, they wiped NA and copied EU. Hence why I compared my Live EU character with my PTS character.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:SpoilerPersonal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorOther Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information0 -
drummindrummer✭✭✭Oh good idea I'll try with recovery food. This has been with blue food. I've tried all the different blue foods and it's been the same. I also haven't tried using food on backbar. I'll try those things soon and report back0
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drummindrummer✭✭✭Hmm, so maybe its something to do with NA things somehow? Because my characters aren't copied right now
edit: oh i see what ya mean, I don't have any EU characters on liveEdited by drummindrummer on August 4, 2018 7:34PM0 -
drummindrummer✭✭✭Ok wow, I retried everything you said, and also tried it with witchmothers. The stats are all identical across the board. This bug seems to be directly related with blue food. Do you mind trying on your live and pts to confirm this?0
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Lorem123✭✭✭Blue food (at least) started giving a few hundreds more max stats with Summerset. The increase was neither reflected in the food tooltip nor it made sense in light of the formulas to calculate max stats. It's as if the food was being scaled up a tiny bit (to CP160?) when applied.
I play a mag pet sorc myself and 18430 and 18888 are the exact same amounts of health I had before and after Summerset patch, by changing nothing at all on my character.
Alas, it was most likely unintended and they simply fixed it, so it's going back to the old value. Shame because a tiny bit of extra health completely for free is always welcome.
Btw there's no way 450 less max mag makes any noticeable DPS difference. If you're consistently getting lower DPS on the PTS it is due to some other changes.1 -
drummindrummer✭✭✭Yeah 18888 is what I have on live too. So that is actually more health than intended? And I guess that could be true about some other changes. But yet again, nothing in patch notes reflect anything that could affect my build, unless I missed something0
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Lorem123✭✭✭My best guess is that the increase was due to the same issues that caused some players to receive less stats than intended when using food after Summerset patch. By fixing that in the Wolfhunter patch they most likely also fixed this apparently unintended increase.1
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drummindrummer✭✭✭
wow, you are absolutely right. I found an old superstar from before summerset. I ran a different build then so mag is different. But health is 18430.
So if you really don't think the mag is the cause for 2k dps loss....I guess I need to start hunting for what cost me that damage0 -
drummindrummer✭✭✭Also keep in mind I'm up around 45k (solo lover) on my parses. If I were only doing 30k then 2k loss would be pretty big. The more damage you do, the smallest of changes can make big differences. Especially when the bulk of your damage only scales from max mag like the pets.
I'm not saying it's for sure the mag that made me lose so much, I'm still investigating a couple parses I just did. But I have not seen anything in patch notes that could lead to any loss on my build.
edit: well I just did a bunch of parses and compared all the numbers. nothing has changed besides the max mag. each of my skills do 200~ dps less, and the max hits are smaller. I'm quite convinced it is the lost mag that is the cause, which I guess was a bug in itself for having more than intended in summerset. Anyways thanks everyone for your help, at least I know what is going on nowEdited by drummindrummer on August 4, 2018 9:49PM0 -
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✭✭✭drummindrummer wrote: »Also keep in mind I'm up around 45k (solo lover) on my parses. If I were only doing 30k then 2k loss would be pretty big. The more damage you do, the smallest of changes can make big differences. Especially when the bulk of your damage only scales from max mag like the pets.
I'm not saying it's for sure the mag that made me lose so much, I'm still investigating a couple parses I just did. But I have not seen anything in patch notes that could lead to any loss on my build.
edit: well I just did a bunch of parses and compared all the numbers. nothing has changed besides the max mag. each of my skills do 200~ dps less, and the max hits are smaller. I'm quite convinced it is the lost mag that is the cause, which I guess was a bug in itself for having more than intended in summerset. Anyways thanks everyone for your help, at least I know what is going on now
The DPS difference is probably due to your weapon glyphs and the changes to how skills proc them.
Try swapping your glyphs on PTS maybe?
In CMX how do your flame glyph/burning DPS and Berserker uptime compare between PTS and live?0